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He wrote: "I'm a white 62-year-old 6ft 4in suit-wearing ex-cop -- I fly often, but do I really fit the profile of suicide bomber?

"Does the young mum with three tots? The gay couple, the rugby team, the middle-aged businessman? No. But they are all getting exactly the same amount and devouring huge resources for no logical reason whatsoever.

"Yet the truth is Islamic terrorism in the West has been universally carried out by young Muslim men, usually of ethnic appearance, almost always traveling alone or in very small groups.

"A tiny percentage, I bet, of those delayed today have such characteristics.

"Of course, there will be instant squealings that this is racism. It's not. It's exactly the same as recognizing that, during the Northern Ireland troubles that left thousands dead, the IRA were totally based in the Catholic community and the UVF in the Protestant."

sniper420 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/15/passenger.profiling/

This is what former Scotland Yard chief had to say

He wrote: "I'm a white 62-year-old 6ft 4in suit-wearing ex-cop -- I fly often, but do I really fit the profile of suicide bomber?

"Does the young mum with three tots? The gay couple, the rugby team, the middle-aged businessman? No. But they are all getting exactly the same amount and devouring huge resources for no logical reason whatsoever.

"Yet the truth is Islamic terrorism in the West has been universally carried out by young Muslim men, usually of ethnic appearance, almost always traveling alone or in very small groups.

"A tiny percentage, I bet, of those delayed today have such characteristics.

"Of course, there will be instant squealings that this is racism. It's not. It's exactly the same as recognizing that, during the Northern Ireland troubles that left thousands dead, the IRA were totally based in the Catholic community and the UVF in the Protestant."

Well he is ignoring the fact that some of thesuspects were Caucasians who recently converted. The terrorists can take advantage of this situationor loophole if they ever implement this. Secondly it will widen the gap bet ween the community leaders who just blamed the government and the terrorists will sneer at moderates " Didnt I tell u guys you wont be accepted?"

Instead in my opinion thye should randomly check ppl and increase collabration with Mulsim community to root out the causes of hatred and recruit members from the community to watch out for these kind of stuff.

Chocoholic wrote:You missed a few important points however, which were brought up in discussions about this on various news networks yesterday.

He said 'usually' ethnic looking, not 'always', they will pull over ANY young man travelling alone, no matter what his ethnic look is. Also people who pay for their airfare using cash only, as who does that? Very few people and it's indicative of people not wanting to leave a paper trail. Also they could be looking at mothers with babies or young children, they fear that many of those recruited for suicide bombing are such people who're willing to sacrifice themselves and their children - sick!

Completely random checks are a waste of time, why would you after all stop an 80 year old granny?

by random i meant random ppl who fit the suspicious profile. And yeah 80 yr old granny can b used as mens to get in the stuffs....eg hding stuffs in the walking sticks can go undetected.
People will always say that these things are racist etc etc etc. However that's the price you pay when only certain members of society are making and willing to carry out threats, and it's also upto their own to weed out those that would do harm.

If it tightens security and acts as a deterrent then so be it.

Chocoholic wrote:They've already lifted the hand luggae ban!

I tell you what when I travelled to Malaysia, I went off on one at the airport security at how lax it was. My friend and I were travelling with backpacks which we don't check but take on as overhead luggage. And not once did we get body scanned or have our luggage screened until we got to the gate. It was shocking and appalling. Plus both arrivals and departures mix in the duty free hall, which is the businest part of the airport. I told them in no incertain terms that it would be so easy for a person to let off a device there and the carnage would be massive, as there were thousands of people there all at the same time - absolute morons!

Chocoholic wrote:Well now here's a crazy idea for you! Why don't they just re-outfit planes, so that passengers are placed in isolation pods and sedated for the duration of the flight. If people aren't conscious, they can't do anything can they, plus think of the cost cutting - less staff, no food or drinks required on board, no hassle with passengers etc etc etc.

bushra21 wrote:when i travel i usually pay cash for the ticket since i dont have a credit card. and i found it funny whenever i travel no matter what im wearing i always get a hard time (since sept 11), with one exception listed below. when i flew to cali with friends from they all got through fine but they asked me to step into the security room and started asking me all these questions. after that they said they wanted to search and i was like if you want me to strip you might as well send me to jail because thats not happening. he just looked at me and said i could continue on and to have a safe flight. what was i wearing...jeans and a t-shirt, no scarf, no aybaya, just plain jeans and a black t. same thing happened when we went to ny, mo, and florida. when i went to france and italy no one bothered me but when i came to uae i was wearing jeans and a shirt, they gave me a tough time (but that was because they thought i didnt know arabic and started saying how i became westernized and how horrible of a muslim i was since i wasnt wearing abaya and shelia. i looked them and in arabic said im palestinian, we dont wear abaya's and if i choose not to cover my hair thats my business.) when i left for qatar and returned to the uae i was wearing abaya and sheila and they didnt even ask me to go through security cuz there was a long line, they opened up a counter for me to stamp my passport and let me go home...i didnt have to wait at all...weird

Concord wrote:That Qatar thing: not cool.

sage & onion wrote:

sniper420 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/15/passenger.profiling/

This is what former Scotland Yard chief had to say

He wrote: "I'm a white 62-year-old 6ft 4in suit-wearing ex-cop -- I fly often, but do I really fit the profile of suicide bomber?

"Does the young mum with three tots? The gay couple, the rugby team, the middle-aged businessman? No. But they are all getting exactly the same amount and devouring huge resources for no logical reason whatsoever.

"Yet the truth is Islamic terrorism in the West has been universally carried out by young Muslim men, usually of ethnic appearance, almost always traveling alone or in very small groups.

"A tiny percentage, I bet, of those delayed today have such characteristics.

"Of course, there will be instant squealings that this is racism. It's not. It's exactly the same as recognizing that, during the Northern Ireland troubles that left thousands dead, the IRA were totally based in the Catholic community and the UVF in the Protestant."

Well he is ignoring the fact that some of thesuspects were Caucasians who recently converted. The terrorists can take advantage of this situationor loophole if they ever implement this. Secondly it will widen the gap bet ween the community leaders who just blamed the government and the terrorists will sneer at moderates " Didnt I tell u guys you wont be accepted?"

Instead in my opinion thye should randomly check ppl and increase collabration with Mulsim community to root out the causes of hatred and recruit members from the community to watch out for these kind of stuff.

Good posting Snipes, I support your opinion.

chevaliers-de-sion wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:It's not only muslims that will be stopped during racial profiling. You could be black

And why would anyone want to racial profile other persons when history has shown that the "ones" the authorities are targeting are the "ones”

As for these trouble maker "ones" they need to be dealt with lot harsher

What has gone wrong with the authorities, they use to give "one" a nice bit of flogging and a few neck parties and then that would get them back in line and then they would soon know who was the Masters?

Chocoholic wrote:People will always say that these things are racist etc etc etc. However that's the price you pay when only certain members of society are making and willing to carry out threats, and it's also upto their own to weed out those that would do harm.