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Princess Banana Hammock wrote:It was set up by Americans during WW2 I think. And lets face it, Israel is just another American state...
Why don't the US build a Dubai style state and give ship all the Israelis out there... they have the money to do it. Hell, they give Israel $400 billion a year, surely they can make a damn good state in the Arizonian desert for that much!!
America... run by Jews...
The American government once had a plan to have the world ruled under one government... do you think that plan is still in place? Because the only resistance to that I can see are a few countries in the ME...
MaaaD wrote: The UN is just as dysfunctional as a 70 year old man in bed.
kanelli wrote:But you see, I have already said that Israel has over-reacted and what they are doing is terrible. I posted that a few times!
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Thanks Fayz, I too think this thread is educational. I like to read and understand other people's perspectives. Good arguments and more info can persuade people to consider new perspectives.
Corcovado wrote:Now this interesting even israelis know they are already losing the war
http://www.fuckfrance.com/topic/2182447 ... L-WIN.html
fayz wrote:Corcovado wrote:Now this interesting even israelis know they are already losing the war
http://www.fuckfrance.com/topic/2182447 ... L-WIN.html
Jeez, looking at the avatars on that forum site me.
freza wrote:But I honestly prefer to hear people speak what they truly believe in, even if it's racist crap, outright lies and parroting rhetoric, than if they "pretend" to be something they're not. Like some people pretending to be neutral, peace-loving, etc. when it's obvious that they're not. Yeah....WHATEVER.
kanelli wrote:freza wrote:But I honestly prefer to hear people speak what they truly believe in, even if it's racist crap, outright lies and parroting rhetoric, than if they "pretend" to be something they're not. Like some people pretending to be neutral, peace-loving, etc. when it's obvious that they're not. Yeah....WHATEVER.
So let me get that straight, you are okay with lies, racism, and parroting rhetoric (=spreading propaganda?). Wow, how admirable.
Just because you can't handle anyone who doesn't feel that Americans and Israelis should be wiped off the planet doesn't mean that they are not entitled to their viewpoints. Peace is a bad word to some people, and maybe you are one of them. There isn't much I can do about that. I have condemned Israel and the US for their actions but I guess that is just me "pretending" isn't it.
kanelli wrote:freza wrote:But I honestly prefer to hear people speak what they truly believe in, even if it's racist crap, outright lies and parroting rhetoric, than if they "pretend" to be something they're not. Like some people pretending to be neutral, peace-loving, etc. when it's obvious that they're not. Yeah....WHATEVER.
So let me get that straight, you are okay with lies, racism, and parroting rhetoric (=spreading propaganda?). Wow, how admirable.
Just because you can't handle anyone who doesn't feel that Americans and Israelis should be wiped off the planet doesn't mean that they are not entitled to their viewpoints. Peace is a bad word to some people, and maybe you are one of them. There isn't much I can do about that. I have condemned Israel and the US for their actions but I guess that is just me "pretending" isn't it.
shafique wrote:I don't think its ignorance that causes hate - sometimes the more informed you are the more you hate the injustices that are carried out.
Also, there are many who have absolutely no problem with 'Western' culture and values when it comes to technology, clothing, music etc and have great relations with nationals of America or Europe BUT have a great problem with US/UK foreign policy. Hey, many Americans and Brits have big issues with what their respective governments are doing.
Where there is perceived injustice, there is a breeding ground for hatred. Give everyone equal rights and opportunities, and you will find that the preaching of hatred-mongers (on all sides) generally falls on deaf ears. Where there is real injustice that is apparent to all, calls to attack or demonise those who are causing the injustice are like siren calls - very, very hard to resist.
Note that the Israeli young conscripts all seem to be very proud to defend their country from their perspective - what do people expect will be the choices of the young Lebanese men who want to do likewise? The answer is patently obvious - join the resistance that drove out the Americans AND the Israelis in the past.
I therefore contend that the root of hatred is injustice and not ignorance. If the injustice is only a perceived one and not a real one, then there is an arguement that ignorance is contributing to the hatred, of course, but I would argue strongly that ignorance is not the root cause (certainly not in the case of Israel, Palestine and Lebanon).
Just my views, as usual.
princess banana Hammock wrote:I disagree I No Jack.
Ignorance is not the problem here, as generally speaking, those who are ignorant do not have an opinion on the matter, nor do they think the situation has an effect on them. Besides nobody is 100% in the know as there are many secret/hidden agendas within governments. So almost all of us are ignorant to some degree... Also it is almost impossible to read every single news piece around the world to define everybody's view on the situation.
I have been brought up in the UK all my life and therefore I do "act in a Western way" when it comes to my social skills/life. However, I disagree with the majority of the political policies and ideologies where it concerns the Middle East.
I am not a Jew/Israeli hater, but I certainly am not a supporter. But having worked in the Entertainment industry in the UK, I have dealt with many of them on a daily basis. I worked for a comapany for a year which was run by Israeli Jews. I even dated an Israeli Jew who was in the Israeli army in my late teens. Despite that, I still disagree with their state's arrogance and brutality.
As for peace, it is unobtainable. People will continue to fight and prevail for what they think is theirs or their right. This has happened since the beginning of time, after all, we are just like any other animal on this planet... Fighting for survival.
mraph33 wrote:Injustice is without question a source of hate, but I don't think you can discount ignorance. Racism, bigotry, prejudice - they are all based on ignorance.
Princess I don't agree with you the peace is unattainable. If Jordan and Egypt can live mutually in peace with Israel, there is no reason why their can't be overall peace. Even if its a peace with guarded boarders, high walls and barbed wire, its better than war.
Corcovado wrote: .. i dont think we are ready for peace. not now not ever ..cos there is so much to forgive and forgivness is the last thing on our minds...PLEASE watch the news.
I-No-Jack wrote:Corcovado wrote: .. i dont think we are ready for peace. not now not ever ..cos there is so much to forgive and forgivness is the last thing on our minds...PLEASE watch the news.
The good thing is that while You may not be ready for peace there are millions who must be ready.
If israel, US, UK hate arabs/muslims, how come they are not bombing Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, egypt, indonisia, pakistan, etc. etc.?
Corcovado wrote:i think its better for u to remain silent cos u have no idea whats going on... and if u think millions want peace with israel then ur wrong So WRONG
kanelli wrote:Unfortunately, the question seems to be how many Lebanese civilian lives are worth the destruction of Hezbollah? That is how the US is thinking. They want Hezbollah gone and don't seem to care what needs to be done to achieve that. Civials are likely considered "collateral damage".
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