Ya Ven ... its 2006 .. get with the program ..
Capturing 3 soldiers is terrorism
Bombing civilians and associated infrastructure is self defense
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ajb wrote:Thanks for that .... what I dont understand yet is how did the Israeli's get there? Are they actually people from the region or did they all just move in one day put up some borders and say welcome to Israel?
MaaaD wrote:1. Israel has occupied a number of Arab territories since 1967, pursuing an illegal colonial project thereon comprising, but not limited to, expropriating land, building settlements, and transferring its civilian population. These lands include the Palestinian West Bank, the Syrian Golan Heights, and the Lebanese Shebaa Farms.
MaaaD wrote:2. Israel occupied Lebanon for 22 years (excluding the occupation of Shebaa Farms, which continues to this day). During this period, Israel massacred civilian populations, such as the 1996 bombardment of the United Nations compound in Qana; targetted Lebanon's infrastructure, including power plants and highways; and raised a proxy army, the South Lebanese Army, helping it administer the notorious Khiam prison where hundreds of Lebanese were tortured and imprisoned for years without charge.
MaaaD wrote:3. During its occupation of Lebanon, Israel detained hundreds of Lebanese, often times by crossing over the border and abducting them. To this day, Israel continues to detain a number of Lebanese.
MaaaD wrote:5. Though Israel departed from southern Lebanon in 2000, they left over 130,000 land mines which have killed and injured countless children. Israel refuses to disclose the location of these mines.
mraph33 wrote:Let's not forget that from 1976-2005 the country was occupied by Syria - who also ignored UN resolutions to leave.
mraph33 wrote:Nothing justifies that, but it is still only a fraction of the number that is being held in Syrian prisions.
mraph33 wrote:According to the UN, there are 150,000 mines in Lebanon, as a result of the long civil war as well as the foreign occupations. Israel actually did supply UNIFIL maps, but the Lebanese govt. disputes the accuracy.
MaaaD wrote:It was not "occupied" the Syrian forces were there as part of Al Tayif agreement to bring stability to Lebanon after the civil war. Anyway i dont see how this is relevant to anything.
MaaaD wrote:mraph33 wrote:Nothing justifies that, but it is still only a fraction of the number that is being held in Syrian prisions.
Again two wrongs dont make a right, and i dont see the relevance of bringing this up.
MaaaD wrote:mraph33 wrote:According to the UN, there are 150,000 mines in Lebanon, as a result of the long civil war as well as the foreign occupations. Israel actually did supply UNIFIL maps, but the Lebanese govt. disputes the accuracy.
Actually they were forced to give in mine maps for exchange for the israeli buisnessman / spy that was captured by hizbollah a few years ago.
sharewadi wrote:Ah, we have more rational discussion in this topic again. Thanks Maaad and mraph33. It makes for much more useful reading now.
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In response to someone complaining about wikipedia, I think there's a great deal of time and effort from wikipedia authors that goes into trying to accurately present information from a neutral point of view. This discussion about the current conflict is a good example...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2006_ ... non_crisis
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murphy wrote:Hezbollah have rocket capacity enough to do serious damage to both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
arniegang wrote:Corcs
Theres nothing me or anyone can say to make you feel better at this sad time for you, but i and others are thinking of you
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