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As far as I'm concerned, there are several of you who are too extreme in your pro-Islam, pro-Judaism, pro-Christian ideologies. Very annoying to keep reading all of the bullcra.p - so I'll stop reading in the Politics section.

info-miner wrote:As far as I'm concerned, there are several of you who are too extreme in your pro-Islam, pro-Judaism, pro-Christian ideologies. Very annoying to keep reading all of the bullcra.p - so I'll stop reading in the Politics section.

Great idea. As far as I'm concerned, an admitted info-miner shouldn't be posting on this website at all.

What do you think, admitted info-miner?

Honestly speaking I blame shaf this time for entertaining these banned trolls that has given them fodder once again to pollute the forum with their crap. In the same vein it would be a good idea to ignore Berrin on his blatant anti-semitic posts and thread.

I've stop reading this section long time ago, all the jibber jabber was giving me headache.

LOL, same here, haven't paid much attention for a long time now. Although will sometimes skim topics for some comedic relief.

Tell me guys when I am misinforming then I am ready to apologies and give correction, you're welcome to join in however/whichever way you like. In politics section too, everyone is free to submit topics that they'd like to raise, isn't it?

I feel,we often have narrow way of looking at things to understand social depth of politics and human factor/behaviour in it, as a result blames only work one way around, due to propaganda machine of the wealthy and powerful.

I know that talking politics is bitter but it is not becouse of people that like to expose! but becouse of mischievous world policy makers..., we only talk about what "humans" do or had done.. I, as a muslim developed thick skin,nothing that is said about muslims/muslim politics-religion hurt me,if I feel that there is a misinformed topic then i may take time to contribute to balance, like shafique commits his time and energy,then that's all there is to it, otherwise I just read them as information provided... and I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but fancy people in opposition that as soon as something relevant to their past and present exposed, they cringe, feel threatened, well all i can say is that, noone as an individual is in the position of taking the burden of their past/wrongdoers but perhaps take lessons..., so just relax,don't take it on personally, we are all equal citizens of the world no matter what nationality or religion or world view we have, we just have to learn to get around eachother in peaceful discussion rather than taking resentment).. This is how humanity advances, isn't it ? not by oppression,suppression,repression, or by pressure to shut up:)

Are they that extreme??

Berrin you start misinforming and loose all credibility when you start denying the holocaust and start posting links from white supremacist sites like stormfornt. Just the same as the ex-resident islamophobes start posting drivel from places like jihad watch and other related loony bins

LoL. The site's top info-miners, trolls, racists and one liners are complaining about other posters.

Because, you know, the site's been flourishing with new members since Andyboy made them a protected class.

To be fair, I haven't seen too many pro-Islam posts in politics section of late.

Seen a lot of anti-Muslim ones though.

(DDS - your criticism is fair.)

One thing puzzles me though. The banned few and their zombie aliases always seem to blame Andy for this or that, and yet they keep coming back to his forum. Surely if the banned few think their posts are so great, they would have started their own forum by now.. and yet they keep coming back and trying to bait the normal folk here.

If there was ever a time for our armchair psychologist's diagnosis, this would be it!

Cheers,
Shafique

I've seen plenty of pro-Islam posts on the forum. I seem to recall one troll was tagged "Islam 24/7" by another member.

I've also seen plenty of Jew hatred on the forums - including one Antisemitic, Nazi bigot claiming Judaism is responsible for divisions in the world and is segregationist - blaming the beliefs of some Jews on Jewish doctrine (without evidence).

That said, I've never seen pro-Jewish or Christianity posts here. I suppose our info-miner can only manage being right 1/3 of the time.

What's interesting is that this poster announces her departure from this subforum. Is anyone supposed to care? Acting holier than thou only works when you haven't admitted to info-mining another member.

eh - you do have an active imagination, I grant you that.

You spin a misquote by FD into a pro-Nazi manifesto against all Jews, believe in rapture, in talking donkeys and with a straight face argue that the crusades were not holy wars..

You are obssessed with other posters and can't help the name-calling. You are funny though in the faux indignation.

If it wasn't for your extremist, religiously motivated views about terrorism and war crimes, you'd be quite harmless. Your hate-filled posts got you banned last time, you'd have thought you would have learnt your lesson. It seems not.

Cheers,
Shafique

Re: extremism, some of you need to consider if you find yourself reading within a very limited scope of religio-political topics, and why you choose to focus so many hours on such a limited scope of topics. Isn't there anything else interesting out there?

Personally, I'd only read a massive volume of material and conduct in-depth analyses on any one topic only if it was for obtaining a PhD and becoming a specialist on the subject. Just sayin'!

No, I didn't think I saw any pro-Christian or pro-Jew posts on the forum, either.

Plenty of Muslim preachers spamming the forum with their nonsense, though. I seem to have thought one troll was dubbed "Islam 24/7" and "dangerous" by member by the name of RobbieG (?).

Anyway, if you can't understand analogy or logical arguments, then you won't understand many things in life.

kanelli wrote:Personally, I'd only read a massive volume of material and conduct in-depth analyses on any one topic only if it was for obtaining a PhD and becoming a specialist on the subject. Just sayin'!

There really isn't much substance to most of the anti-Muslim posts though. Just cuts and pastes from random bloggers who can only make their case by selectively, and misleadingly, spinning some events.

eh's problem is that he regularly copies from anti-Muslim sites such as JihadWatch and then finds himself in hotwater when the myths are challenged by reality.

The hatred is so strong that they even end up contradicting themselves - eg eh previously posted about how badly Jews were being treated in the US, and showed that 1000+ attacks occur each year. Then he tries to hype 3 attacks by Muslims and make out that the sky is falling. When asked to reconcile the two posts.. we get a torrent of rants and name calling etc.

How many threads has started recently just to try and divert attention away from the arguments he's been found out on and is now avoiding? That's a classic troll.

Cheers,

Shafique

rayznack wrote:I've seen plenty of pro-Islam posts on the forum. I seem to recall one troll was tagged "Islam 24/7" by another member.

I've also seen plenty of Jew hatred on the forums - including one Antisemitic, Nazi bigot claiming Judaism is responsible for divisions in the world and is segregationist - blaming the beliefs of some Jews on Jewish doctrine (without evidence).

That said, I've never seen pro-Jewish or Christianity posts here. I suppose our info-miner can only manage being right 1/3 of the time.

What's interesting is that this poster announces her departure from this subforum. Is anyone supposed to care? Acting holier than thou only works when you haven't admitted to info-mining another member.

Two posts down...

rayznack wrote:No, I didn't think I saw any pro-Christian or pro-Jew posts on the forum, either.

Plenty of Muslim preachers spamming the forum with their nonsense, though. I seem to have thought one troll was dubbed "Islam 24/7" and "dangerous" by member by the name of RobbieG (?).

Anyway, if you can't understand analogy or logical arguments, then you won't understand many things in life.

Oopsie! I guess you posted from the wrong "supporter" account.

Oopsie indeed. (I was going to note that eh as Ray hasn't denied his identity - but the above shows that he does have multiple accounts and forgot to sign out.. LOL LOL )

Cheers,
Shafique

kanelli, you seriously aren't the brightest tool in the shed.

Perhaps you couldn't figure out my post "two posts down" was responding to your post made just after my first post?

What "didn't I think" about something if I didn't previously post about that something?

Or repeating the "Islam 24/7" remark?

Actually, this should be funny. Having two mush heads convinced I have another account will be entertaining reading.

I await the conspiracy theories I'm another member! (which one would that be?)

shafique wrote:but the above shows that he does have multiple accounts and forgot to sign out.. LOL LOL )

The funny thing is I don't (kanelli isn't exactly a genius); but you believing kanelli's reasoning is testament to your skills of perception.

You've been busted eh. You only make yourself look even more silly if you continue your denials and fantasies.

Cheers,

Shafique

Oh their tummies are going to rumble! Shall we put a lock on the fridge Shaf?

^

It's a deal. Let the enforced fasting commence.

Cheers,

Shafique

I'm amazed you've discovered the magic button that makes the computer light up. How on earth you figured out typing remains a mystery.

The sad part is kanelli still is convinced with her brilliant observation. I can't tell if shafique is simply trolling like usual or is displaying more of his detective skills.

Wouldn't my second post have gone something like this:

No, I also didn't see pro-Christian or pro-Jew posts on the forum, either

instead of:

rayznack wrote:No, I didn't think I saw any pro-Christian or pro-Jew posts on the forum, either.

Just wondering what detective clueless and her accomplice think.

shafique wrote:There really isn't much substance to most of the anti-Muslim posts though. Just cuts and pastes from random bloggers who can only make their case by selectively, and misleadingly, spinning some events.

Maybe we'll get an answer from shafique when he changed his views on Judaism or what evidence he has that led him to conclude Judaism's concept of "chosen people" was to blame for some Jewish protesters? Or maybe he's just a classic troll and avoiding questions he can't seem to answer.

desertdudeshj wrote:Berrin you start misinforming and loose all credibility when you start denying the holocaust

just go back and read all my posts with more intellectul look at them.. I think I tried to find a reasanable answer to that question of mine to define what holocaust really meant, but you turned a blined eye by not reading and thinking about it for a common sense.

desertdudeshj wrote:start posting links from white supremacist sites like stormfornt.

Everything quoted on that stormfront article was referenced either to the speeches of the politicians who were shaping the history or from written books etc.. You are welcomed to challenge every sentence written to debunk.. I'd be happy to read...But would you do that? It's easier to play the blame game, isn't it. I think it was also here that said even a broken clock is right twice a day..

Just the same as the ex-resident islamophobes start posting drivel from places like jihad watch and other related loony bins

Jihadwatch's objective is to oppress islam,it is a left over website from Bush era and was part of warfare propaganda as events(bombings) all around the world was gonna develop into 9/11 and then occupying countries. This site is likely to stay as long as it finds financiers or until politicians finally find time to attempt for healing wounds, until then we don't have much choice other than revoke and expose their lies through sites like loonwatch and internet forums.. Whereas holocaust deniers are not really trying to oppress anything as oppression is already in place.. What they are doing is, looking back wheather what we are told is really the truth or if used descriptions match the reality of the war time policies...

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I don't know what this pro christian, pro jew, pro muslim think is about, do you mean as in case of people(politics) or religion?

If you do mean people then we are talking about real or populist policies that applied as regional or countrywise or as an ideology.. In politics section everyone normally has tendency to bring about stories that are not ethical or sometimes just to question motives..

Religion wise we always talk about eachother, christians/jews/muslims are all welcomed to share their texts, it is perfectly alright that those texts are put under light to discuss or as knowledge for better understanding..

European wrote:Now, that's not strictly true, is it? If it was, you wouldn't have read the post.

You are reading too literally, and I don't have to pen down my exact pattern for browsing the forum. English is not my first lang so I'll explain. I'm not following this section anymore and most of the posts made in this section in last few days I've left unread. But that doesnt mean I skim through few new topics or posts occasionally.

European wrote:that you are leaving DF, when you clearly aren't.

I said I'm taking a break and haven't decieded yet to completely leave the forum, you can go back to that topic and read again.

Not that I remember, I was rarely coming on the forum, but did occasionally visit. I'm not taking a break any more but I'm not posting that much either. This is my last reply to you on this topic.

ta ta

kanelli wrote:Personally, I'd only read a massive volume of material and conduct in-depth analyses on any one topic only if it was for obtaining a PhD and becoming a specialist on the subject. Just sayin'!

People only do it for PhD if they wanna have acedemic career and become state sponsored lecturers/writers/journalists, having PhD does not necessarily mean they'll expose truth if writing under state propaganda. However if they wish they can feed truth to freelance journalists and writers secretly upon conscience and if need more money!

There is also this new line of career called investigative journalism which is becoming increasingly popular amongst new graduates and is in the way to become an industry for revisional history/politics.. currently most of them becoming very popular amongst independent broadcasting media such as internet radio/tv,websites,blogs,columnist or through at rival states' media... eventually the more they are read and people have faith in them, the faster they will find their way into mainstream media and broadcasting stations. that how the westeners and global citizense will transform themselves, hopefully this will help peace process and stop corruption of the world..

Berrin wrote:There is also this new line of career called investigative journalism

Arguably this was one of the earliest form of journalism I'd say. Watergate springs to mind - and that isn't the earliest example I'm sure.. but I wouldn't call that 'recent'.

I'm all for uncovering the truth and exposing spin - journalists such as John Pilger, Robert Fisk and others are great at this. But it is also interesting to look at the historical events in light of materials that are declassified - your recommendation of Fromkin's 'A peace to end all peace' was excellent - showing what Churchill and others secretly were doing and the events around WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Similarly the truth that came out afterwards about the Cuban Missile Crisis - and how it wasn't really the Russians that backed down in the end and that it was all kicked off when the US put missiles in Turkey, which when they agreed to remove defused the situation.

But then there's a distinction between conspiracy theory and provable, credible journalism. I fear (to my mind at least) you cross over to conspiracy theory territory when it comes to the contentious topics Berrin.

That said, I welcome you sharing your views and beliefs. I'd only suggest you allow for the possibility that others have different views and beliefs - and may not agree with what you consider to be factual evidence.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Arguably this was one of the earliest form of journalism I'd say. Watergate springs to mind - and that isn't the earliest example I'm sure.. but I wouldn't call that 'recent'.

What I am saying is that its popularity is only recent development especially with the rise of internet. The cold war and oppression is wearing out so more and more people get interested in this type of journalism.. In the old days there used to be a few voluntary or sponsored jorno writers who could dare their lives and position.. But it wasn't that easy, even then they could not much cross the lines as their professionalism would be burdened under scrutiny, while receiving threats.

See what people have been through.. http://www.zundelsite.org/victims/victims_of_zion.html In the world there is this huge propaganda for freedom but not as much for investigation and defence that would alter political positions.. This sitiuation is also an evidence that we are told lies.. If we are told truth then why should they fear opposition that comes with authentic evidences? Lies cannot be oppressed forever, everyone knows that, sooner or later it will come out.

shafique wrote:But then there's a distinction between conspiracy theory and provable, credible journalism. I fear (to my mind at least) you cross over to conspiracy theory territory when it comes to the contentious topics Berrin.

A consider a theory only a theroy if it has not been researched and analysed. I base what I write over what I heard of people that have been researching and documenting. Anyone who has authentic info to debunk is welcomed, this is what makes forums interactive and enjoyable..

I think shafique you could certainly make a nice investigative journo like John Pilger.. Think about it .... You certainly have the qualities and determination for it..

Berrin, thanks for the clarifications.

Nice to exchange views with Berrin - even if we don't agree. I always do like to go beyond headlines and see what the substance is, and what the 'other point of view' is. However, I'm very much a consumer of information and don't see myself in the league of the investigative journalists.

Cheers,

Shafique