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shafique · Mar 08, 2012

eh, stop the plagarism already - your bluff has been called. You have run away (as usual)

shafique wrote:eh's claim:
event horizon wrote:Happy to compare my stated religious views with shafique's stated religious views.

When I called his bluff:
shafique wrote:can event horizon join me in condemning the war crimes described in the Bible carried out by the Israelites - where children and women are slaughtered and virgins enslaved? Condemn this as a war crime?

Simple enough question. Why the filibustering?

A related question that eh was also raised in the past is eh's views of the American Christians who kill doctors and nurses who perform abortions. Is his religious view that these Christians have sinned and are going to hell, or does he agree with them that they are doing God's work? My view is that any terrorist - Muslim or Christian, suicide or otherwise, who kills children, women etc - are sinning and will go to hell (and that the act is against Islam - and specifically, any Muslim suicide bomber targetting Israeli civilians - regardless of whether the terrorist says they are soldiers in civilian clothes - is committing a sin and acting against Islam)

Is eh's religious view that the Christian terrorists blowing up doctors are as guilty of sin as the Muslim suicide bombers - and does he join me in condemning both equally?

That you, herve and FD are just haters of Islam and Muslims is pretty clear from your posts. We don't have to spin, invent and lie about posts to make that point - that we leave to you.

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum · Mar 08, 2012

Oh God, not the bold type and the reposting of posts so early in the morning!

event horizon · Mar 08, 2012

Still waiting - list the Muslim majority countries Christians are granted equal rights then determine if this is the 'norm' in the Muslim world.

I'll also be happy to compare alleged discrimination / apartheid in Israel to real discrimination / apartheid in the Muslim world.

shafique · Mar 08, 2012

I'm tired of waiting for you to answer the simple questions above. Surely you don't want me to repeat them again.

As for whataboutery arguments - when you find an example of South Africa etc condemning a specific instance of discrimination - I'll join you in condemning it. In the mean time, I can't agree with you that Israel's crimes can be excused by imagined/alleged crimes in other countries.

Cheers,

Shafique

event horizon · Mar 08, 2012

That you, herve and FD are just haters of Islam and Muslims is pretty clear from your posts. We don't have to spin, invent and lie about posts to make that point - that we leave to you.

That explains why most members here correctly view you as an Anti-Semite and a majority of your countrymen see Hamas as an AntiSemitic terrorist organization - despite both of your best salesperson's pitch.

Now, you made a claim that Christian discrimination is not the norm in the Muslim world.

Are you going to flee after your opinion has been challenged?

shafique · Mar 08, 2012

Thanks for sharing your beliefs eh.

I'm not fleeing anywhere - you're the one hiding from the questions posed to you and empty boasts you've made (such as comparing views on religion).

Let's just take the example above:

Is eh's religious view that the Christian terrorists blowing up doctors are as guilty of sin as the Muslim suicide bombers - and does he join me in condemning both equally?

Ultimately, you're all mouth, no trousers.

Cheers,

Shafique

event horizon · Mar 08, 2012

You're the one fleeing this topic when your claims are tackled head on.

shafique · Mar 09, 2012

shafique wrote:Is eh's religious view that the Christian terrorists blowing up doctors are as guilty of sin as the Muslim suicide bombers - and does he join me in condemning both equally?

The silence is deafening.

Cheers,

Shafique

event horizon · Mar 09, 2012

How many Muslim majority countries grant equal rights to Christians?

shafique · Mar 09, 2012

shafique wrote:Is eh's religious view that the Christian terrorists blowing up doctors are as guilty of sin as the Muslim suicide bombers - and does he join me in condemning both equally?

Do you always avoid questions by asking other questions?

Turkey is a Muslim majority country isn't it? Christians have equal rights there don't they? Now, will you answer your question?

Cheers,

Shafique

event horizon · Mar 09, 2012

So one nation is the norm out of how many Muslim majority nations?

You're up to one nation that you say provides equal rights to Muslims and Christians.

shafique · Mar 09, 2012

shafique wrote:
shafique wrote:Is eh's religious view that the Christian terrorists blowing up doctors are as guilty of sin as the Muslim suicide bombers - and does he join me in condemning both equally?

Your turn to answer a question, me thinks.

The myth is still a myth - regardless of your questions (and I suspect each time I answer your questions you'll ask more). So, you answer your question now, then I'll answer another one of yours.

Glad we agree that Turkey does answer your question. I have others.. but I'll wait for you to answer the above first.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon · Mar 10, 2012

Your turn to answer a question, me thinks.

So is your answer that one nation (Turkey) grants equal rights to Muslims and non-Muslims?

I'm just curious, because if it's not, then you didn't answer the question.

I'm asking for a total of all the Muslim majority nations where Christians and Muslims have equal rights.

Anyway, does Turkey allow Christians to own property?

The law restricting religious property rights was amended in 2002 to permit minority foundations to acquire property; however, the Government continued to apply an article which allows it to expropriate properties in areas where the local non-Muslim population drops significantly or where the foundation is deemed to no longer perform the function for which it was created. There is no specific minimum threshold concerning such a population drop, rather it is left to the discretion of GDF. This is particularly problematic for communities with smaller populations, such as the Greek Orthodox community.[1]

So, since 2002, Christians can now own property in Turkey. The current law, however, allows the government when to take land/property from Christians when the government feels the Christian population is too small (whatever that means).

Freedom of religion; Turkey.

shafique · Mar 10, 2012

shafique wrote:Glad we agree that Turkey does answer your question. I have others.. but I'll wait for you to answer the above first.

Waiting patiently for your answer first, then I'll give you more examples for you to evaluate.

Cheers,

Shafique

event horizon · Mar 10, 2012

Well, no. You didn't answer my question if you only provided one nation but believe there are other Muslim majority countries where Christians and Muslims have equal rights.

"Who didn't go to work?"

"Ok, I'll give you the name of one person, but there are more. Will that answer your question?"

kanelli · Mar 10, 2012

EH, by your silence on those same questions that Shaf has asked many times over the past months, we must assume that you do indeed support terrorism by certain people and against certain people, so long as you feel the cause is just. Thanks for clearing it up for everyone.

event horizon · Mar 10, 2012

Kanelli, I think you should join shafique in some reading comprehension classes. My last response didn't mention shafique's tacit approval of anti-Christian bigotry because he is avoiding anwering my question.

kanelli · Mar 10, 2012

What reading comprehension? When asked directly to answer those questions you simply don't answer.

event horizon · Mar 10, 2012

And posting this in a topic where shafique refuses to answer questions on Christian persecution must therefore mean he's been accused of supporting Christian persecution because he refuses to answer simple questions?

I don't think we have to worry about "bright" and "kanelli" being used in the same sentence.

kanelli · Mar 10, 2012

Are we back to insulting about intelligence again? You usually stoop to that when you are feeling frustrated at being caught out. It is a fact that you don't answer, and you have twice spun things to avoid answering already. Who is playing stupid? Not me.

shafique · Mar 10, 2012

eh is excelling himself these days.

In a thread about the myth of global war against Christians, he accuses me of not answering questions about the myth. Hmm.

I explicitly acknowledged the real incidents that Ali talks about and then generalises, and have explicitly explained what parts of Ali's article constitute the myth.

Now, as for evading questions - you've got to admire eh's chutzpah for saying I'm the one not answering questions!

But we've seen, eh supports Christian terrorists and Jewish Terrorists - and not to mention war crimes where babies are slaughtered and virgins are enslaved. He likes to project this belief onto Muslims - but given that he can't bring himself to answer simple questions about the Bible and his faith, it is no surprise he has to come up with creative excuses for his cowardice and evasion of questions.

Cheers,

Shafique

herve · Mar 19, 2012

Another example of moslems killing Christians teachers in the name of allah for "covert" religious missionary work.
"This operation comes as a response to the campaign of Christian proselytizing that the West has launched against Muslims" said the group responsible for the murder.
http://news.yahoo.com/militants-kill-am ... 27844.html

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