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Bethsmum wrote:Next you'll be telling me his dad wasn't called Joseph and he wasn't born in a manger.

shafique wrote:Well, Christians and Muslims don't believe that Jesus' dad was Joseph - and you shouldn't have needed to go to Sunday school to realise this! What a silly billy you are. (I'll let you look up what Joseph's name in Aramaic/Hebrew is - in Spanish it is Jose)

Bethsmum wrote:do you have some sort of qualification that allows you to tell Christians what they should or shouldn't believe, or is it a case of you think you know best, as is usual?

shafique wrote:Yes, it is called an education - and in any case my statement was about what Christians and Muslims believe

Bethsmum wrote:Who are you to tell Christians what they believe?

shafique wrote:Are you saying that Christians and Muslims don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?

Nucleus wrote:Well thats what Christian's believe. They don't believe father was Joseph

Flying Dutchman wrote:How do you explain that with logic and science? I mean virgin birth?

FD wrote:
How do you explain that with logic and science? I mean virgin birth?

Berrin wrote:Allah is never subject to the Laws of the Creation because He is both the Creator and the Law Giver. Whenever He wants anything done, He merely says "Qun! Faya Qun!" (Be! And so it will be!)

What a complete load of bull.

Bethsmum wrote:Well that's what they call him in my neck of the woods. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. Next you'll be telling me his dad wasn't called Joseph

Berrin wrote:LOL. Where were you lost again? Have you ever thought to look to the things that he has created and the way that he cares for things and sustains us? No, cause denial is an easy option without responsibility/accountability, but this physiologically must bear a very heavy burden on your shoulders BM. How terrible!, do you realize that as death approaches you may well be crashed under it.. Sure,there is no way that you can prove Allah doesn't exist! Just think of the smallest possibility that he exists, if then what are you gonna do?as death will be the start of your eternal existence upon your choice of destiny in this life...

shafique wrote:It's a bit rich calling me arrogant when you started the 'Jesus' dad is Joseph' malarky

World English Dictionary
arrogant (ˈærəɡənt)

— adj
having or showing an exaggerated opinion of one's own importance, merit, ability, etc; conceited; overbearingly proud: an arrogant teacher ; an arrogant assumption

I look at real life everyday Berrin and what I see at the moment is hundreds of people being killed and maimed by someone (Assad) who you claim is a 'good bloke'. If that is how you judge someone, I don't have a lot to worry about when I die.

Berrin wrote:Save yourself BM!

Bethsmum wrote: I wouldn't dream of telling you what to believe in and I'd thank you not to do the same to me.

shafique wrote:Well, Christians and Muslims don't believe that Jesus' dad was Joseph

Berrin wrote:How terrible!, do you realize that as death approaches you may well be crashed under it.. Sure,there is no way that you can prove Allah doesn't exist! Just think of the smallest possibility that he exists, if then what are you gonna do?as death will be the start of your eternal existence upon your choice of destiny in this life...

Yes, it is called an education - and in any case my statement was about what Christians and Muslims believe. Silly billy.

event horizon, appears to be in some confusion over the Biblical verses. In some instances he refuses to accept the Biblical descriptions of events:

philosophy-dubai/jews-responsible-for-killing-jesus-t40429.html
Where the Bible says Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, eh disagrees with this and calls this Anti-Semitic and not historically true.

By contrast, Biblical war crimes are defended by eh:
philosophy-dubai/biblical-war-crimes-t40711.html

In other instances he takes the Bible at it's word when it comes to talking donkeys and the sun stopping in the sky for a day:
philosophy-dubai/bible-and-science-defence-t40975.html

philosophy-dubai/talking-donkeys-bible-evasion-t42810.html

Now we have a bizare twist in Biblical denials - concerning what the Bible says will happen to those who do not believe in Jesus as saviour, saying that it is 'unclear' whether they go to hell or not, when the Bible clearly states they will be 'damned' and 'condemned' for not believing:
philosophy-dubai/unbelievers-and-hell-koran-bible-t47316.html#p386408

It is hard to see the logic about which parts of the Bible are taken as Gospel by eh and which are rejected as false - it appears that verses condemning Jews are rejected, but those against science or normal morals are accepted. Interesting that.

Empty rhetoric is not a substitute for evidence eh - see OP for why you're wrong (again).

event horizon wrote:I refer you to the Satanophobic myth floating around that Muslims worship a different deity than Satanists.