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More like you don't wish to see yourself busted in a lie.

LoL. What a joke you are.

Busted in a lie and claiming you're not quoting the question because of some game you're playing.

Aren't liars the ones who come up with excuses?

so when we going to have the next dubai forum meet than??? I would love to see you guys meet each other

eh is not in the dubai. I doubt he ever came to dubai. I've seen him on other religious forums, he is just here for his speeches.

Nucleus wrote:eh is not in the dubai. I doubt he ever came to dubai. I've seen him on other religious forums, he is just here for his speeches.

A bit like your pal Shaf then?

Hey, welcome back Dillon, and thanks for bumping this thread back to the top.

Whilst eh hasn't been to Dubai or has any links to Dubai, my 'Dubai credentials' include attending the DF meet at the Raddison. So there, yet another myth easily dispatched

Cheers,

Shafique

You're welcome, and as I said "A bit like your pal Shaf then?" meeting three out of the four criteria!

No Myth, just fact!

Whilst I could quibble, I won't - but thanks for sharing your opinion, I look forward to your insights and trust they won't all be whataboutery jokes.

But Nucleus' point does raise the question why eh is on these forums doesn't it. Hmm.

Cheers,

Shafique

But you just did, again.

I'll leave your whataboutery jokes to you and your ex-spurts thank you, EH I would guess, is here for similar if not the same reasons as everyone else, he has an opinion, he exposes the liars on the forum and likes to share.

I hope you and your new friend find the reason you're looking for in your latest conspiracy theory.

Dillon wrote:I hope you and your new friend find the reason you're looking for in your latest conspiracy theory.

That is funny.

^Ahh, conspiracy theories! DF has seen a few in recent times - and a disproportionate amount from a certain gallic fiction writer!

But anyway, let's try and bring this thread back on track...

58% of American Christians justified killing civilians for some reason, same question was asked to American Muslims and only 21% justified killing of civilians.

The Pew survey referred to in the OP showed how many Muslims, in other countries, said killing of civilians was NEVER justified, for whatever reason. Note the 'for whatever reason', and 'never justified'.

Facts, not fiction.

Cheers,
Shafique

The Pew survey referred to in the OP showed how many Muslims, in other countries, said killing of civilians was NEVER justified, for whatever reason. Note the 'for whatever reason', and 'never justified'.

Killing in the name of Islam was the only reason.

Excuses are the last refuge of a liar.

All three links in the OP refer to American Muslims, so I see you've now compounded your lie by claiming it included surveys of Muslims in other countries.

Fail. You denial is epic, eh. The OP was about the Gallup survey, you brought up the Pew surveys on pg 1, and even then you failed spectacularly and have been complaining since:
dubai-politics-talk/poll-muslims-less-likely-justify-violence-t47068.html#p384740

shafique wrote:(I'm seeing how long it takes you to actually quote the question in full.. I'm not going to do so, because you're the one who is in denial, and I'm going to be counting how many times you call be a liar before you actually read and post the question in full. )

Is someone keeping count?

Cheers,
Shafique

Shaf, event horizon, already this on the previous page of this thread:

Like Muslims elsewhere in Europe only a tiny minority of French Muslims (16%) say that suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified.

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable "to defend Islam from its enemies."...

Elsewhere, the proportion of Muslim respondents supporting suicide bombings against civilians was 15 percent inEgypt, 13 percent inIndonesia, 12 percent in Jordan, seven percent inIsrael (Muslim Arab citizens), five percent inPakistan and four percent in Turkey.

Is that waht you are looking for?

What I was after was highlighted in my post above - which itself was taken from the original post which stated that eh should re-read the question and post it in full. He's the one who introduced the Pew survey on pg1 and seems to be insisting on misrepresenting the findings.

The findings clearly show that around the world, the majority of Muslims reject violence against civilians for whatever reason.

The quote you gave shows eh not quoting the question in full and putting his spin on it.

The facts remain:

58% of American Christians justified killing civilians for some reason, same question was asked to American Muslims and only 21% justified killing of civilians.

The Pew survey measured how many Muslims said killing of civilians was NEVER justified, for whatever reason. Note the 'for whatever reason'.

Cheers,
Shafique

Fail. You denial is epic, eh. The OP was about the Gallup survey, you brought up the Pew surveys on pg 1, and even then you failed spectacularly and have been complaining since:
dubai-politics-talk/poll-muslims-less-likely-justify-violence-t47068.html#p384740

Troll, your link is to a list of results from separate and different polls asking different questions that were combined for the LoonWatch article. That actual list will not be found on any Pew poll website.

Americans were asked separate questions from Muslims around the world were - as has been pointed out numerous times by myself.

That's why you're a liar and a troll. You should have also read the original links instead of relying on a LoonWatch special to accurately report the facts.

The findings clearly show that around the world, the majority of Muslims reject violence against civilians for whatever reason.

No it didn't you liar, the link you provided is a list of nations that was thrown together by Danios when he combined the results of different polls asking different questions.

You can't find the list on any original Pew poll page. Just link to the original page and prove me wrong.

results from different poll questions combined into a single list wrote:Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

Our resident liar is clearly exposed once again. What a filthy liar he is that he doesn't have the common decency to fess up after his initial lies were exposed.

Liar wrote:The findings clearly show that around the world, the majority of Muslims reject violence against civilians for whatever reason.

Then post the original websites Danios used in his article to pove.

I've already gone back to the original articles and proven that Muslims were asked very specific questions about killing in the name of religion and their support of suicide bombings whereas Americans were not asked about religion or suicide bombings in their question.

Our resident liar has still not done this after multiple requests because the liar knows his lies will be exposed.

Your denials won't change facts eh.

shafique wrote:
(I'm seeing how long it takes you to actually quote the question in full.. I'm not going to do so, because you're the one who is in denial, and I'm going to be counting how many times you call be a liar before you actually read and post the question in full. )

Why don't you quote the question in full and prove I'm a liar? Did you even go back and re-read the question to make sure?

Facts remain:

58% of American Christians justified killing civilians for some reason, same question was asked to American Muslims and only 21% justified killing of civilians.

The Pew survey measured how many Muslims said killing of civilians was NEVER justified, for whatever reason. Note the 'for whatever reason'.

Cheers,
Shafique

The liar is at it again. More smoke screens and contortions so his precious lies aren't exposed.

Muslims from around the world were not asked the same questions as Americans were.

Muslims were asked if they support killing to defend religion (Islam) and the question included suicide bombings as a primary method of killing civilians.

Americans were not asked about religion in their question and suicide bombing was not brought up.

The liar is exposed. That's why he won't bother to address the websites I linked to in this thread that LoonWatch used to show his claims (lies) are correct.

He's a professional liar, and he's been exposed.

Why don't you quote the question in full and prove I'm a liar? Did you even go back and re-read the question to make sure?

More smoke and mirrors. The question has been provided in full.

Prove it wasn't by posting the question yourself, liar.

Fail. Again, and persisting in your personal insults.

(I'm seeing how long it takes you to actually quote the question in full.. I'm not going to do so, because you're the one who is in denial, and I'm going to be counting how many times you call be a liar before you actually read and post the question in full. )

Facts haven't changed, and neither has your denial of them.

58% of American Christians justified killing civilians for some reason, same question was asked to American Muslims and only 21% justified killing of civilians.

The Pew survey measured how many Muslims said killing of civilians was NEVER justified, for whatever reason. Note the 'for whatever reason'.

Cheers,
Shafique

The liar doesn't want his exposed.

What a shock.

As I said, excuses are the last refuge for a liar.

Btw, I have posted the original articles and they prove that Muslims in Europe and the Muslim world were asked DIFFERENT questions than Americans were - yet the results were compiled into one list made to appear the respondents were all asked the same question.

Still failing to back up your wild claims.

As I said, the facts haven't changed - 58% of your fellow American Christians justified violence against civilians vs only 21% of American Muslims when asked the same question.

In the Pew surveys you brought up, the majority Muslims around the world were against any violence against civilians no matter what the reason.

Facts, not hype.

Cheers,

Shafique

I backed my claims up in the previous links that were provided on this thread - even FD reposted the article showing what question European Muslims were asked, you liar.

The only person who has failed to back up anything is yourself.

And that's because it would expose you as a liar.

In the Pew surveys you brought up, the majority Muslims around the world were against any violence against civilians no matter what the reason.

No, the question asked was if they support killing for one cause - defending Islam.

That's not "for whatever reason", making you a liar.

But prove me wrong, liar. Post the original question Muslims around the world were asked as I have already done in this thread.

Your failure is complete. I stated many times, I'm not going to do your homework for you - as you brought up the Pew surveys and seem incapable of accepting that you didn't read it properly.

Fact remains, 58% of your fellow American Christians justified violence against civilians vs 21% of American Muslims asked the same question. The majority of Muslims around the world are agains violence against civilians FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Cheers,

Shafique

Flying Dutchman wrote:Like Muslims elsewhere in Europe only a tiny minority of French Muslims (16%) say that suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified.

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable "to defend Islam from its enemies."...

Elsewhere, the proportion of Muslim respondents supporting suicide bombings against civilians was 15 percent inEgypt, 13 percent inIndonesia, 12 percent in Jordan, seven percent inIsrael (Muslim Arab citizens), five percent inPakistan and four percent in Turkey.

What was unclear about FD's post?

Now, liar, show Americans were asked if they justified the killing of civilians to defend religion.

Your failures keep on coming.

shafique wrote:(I'm seeing how long it takes you to actually quote the question in full.. I'm not going to do so, because you're the one who is in denial, and I'm going to be counting how many times you call be a liar before you actually read and post the question in full. )

Facts remain unchanged:58% of your fellow American Christians justified violence against civilians vs 21% of American Muslims asked the same question. The majority of Muslims around the world are agains violence against civilians FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Cheers,
Shafique

How many times are you going to lie and claim the same reports Danios used to compile his statistics using different poll questions haven't been quoted in full:

Like Muslims elsewhere in Europe only a tiny minority of French Muslims (16%) say that suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified.

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable "to defend Islam from its enemies."...

Elsewhere, the proportion of Muslim respondents supporting suicide bombings against civilians was 15 percent inEgypt, 13 percent inIndonesia, 12 percent in Jordan, seven percent inIsrael (Muslim Arab citizens), five percent inPakistan and four percent in Turkey.

What part of 'post the question in full' confused you eh?


Facts haven't changed. 58% of your fellow American Christians justified violence against civilians vs 21% of American Muslims asked the same question. The majority of Muslims around the world are agains violence against civilians FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Cheers,
Shafique

Nothing confused me. I know you're a liar.

Excuses and grandstanding are the last refuge of one.

No excuses, no grandstanding, just patiently waiting for you re-read the question, post it here in full and apologise for calling me a liar.

The facts remain:58% of your fellow American Christians justified violence against civilians vs 21% of American Muslims asked the same question. The majority of Muslims around the world are agains violence against civilians FOR WHATEVER REASON.

Cheers,

Shafique

Then post the link to the website of the question Muslims in the world were asked.



Oh wait, you won't do that, will you, liar?

You want me to provide a link to a survey you introduced and refuse to go back and re-read and post the question in full?

LOL

What part of 'I'm not going to do so' confused you?

I hope someone is keeping count:

(I'm seeing how long it takes you to actually quote the question in full.. I'm not going to do so, because you're the one who is in denial, and I'm going to be counting how many times you call be a liar before you actually read and post the question in full. )

However, whilst you keep insisting I'm lying, the facts remain unchanged. That must frustrate you immensely.

Cheers,
Shafique