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There is no verse, which gives clear sanction to pedophilia, instead there are some verses, which clearly allows the practice.
Here is a clear of explanation to how pedophilia is allowed in the quran, followed by how muslums deny it. you will recognize that some of the arguments in these denials have been repeated over and over by a forumer here, but he has been exposed many times, by FD and EH.
The Quran has stipulated a waiting period for divorced women to get remarried. This waiting period is called Iddah as mentioned in the Quran. But there is an exception; Allah, the God of the Quran, prescribes no Iddah for a category of divorced women:

O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women and divorce them before ye have touched them, then there is no period that ye should reckon. But content them and release them handsomely.

[Quran. 33:49]

From this verses, it is understood that Iddah (stipulated waiting period) is tied to consummation of the marriage. If a woman is divorced by her husband before touching her, i.e. before having sex with her, she need not observe any waiting period to get remarried.

Clearly the reasons for Allah to stipulate Iddah is to avoid chances of pregnancy as a result of sexual relations between the married couple before their divorce.

In cases of divorces, where the husband had sex with the wife, the Quran specifies the Iddah, a waiting period of three months, in verse 65:4:

Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

Here, Iddah is prescribed to two categories of women. First it says: “Yaisna mina al-maheedhi”—that is, “those women who are desperate of menses”. This indicates women, who reached the stage of menstruation but do not menstruate. The other category are those, who have reached menopause. Desperate of menses points to women, who, though reached the age, fail to menstruate. Their Iddah period is three months. This is prescribed probably to take maximum precaution about her being pregnant. Next, there comes “Wallaee Lam yahidhna”—that is, “those who have not menstruated yet”; this group of women are prepubescent girls, who have not menstruated yet. Here, the Iddah prescribed for them is the same: three months.

[I would urge readers to take particular attention on the phrase “Wallaee Lam Yahidhna”; because, it is going to be most important in this article.]

Let us sum up the two verses: a woman, divorced before sex, need not observe any Iddah at all [33:49].

But what is the reason for the prescribed Iddah for girls, who haven’t menstruated yet?

It is, obviously, because sexual intercourse has occurred between the child and her husband. It is, thus, clear that marrying prepubescent girls and having sex with them is sanctioned by the Quran.


Muslim Denials

Quranic verses with such obvious sanction of pedophilia is not enough to convinced some Muslims that pedophilia is permitted in Islam. They like to assign a different meaning and interpretation to the phrase “Lam Yahidhna” (“Not menstruated yet”) in verses 65:4. Some Muslims argue that this phrase only refers to women, who have reached the age of puberty, but fail to have courses. This is the main argument. But it holds little water, because the group of women, who have reached the age of puberty and do not menstruate, is covered in the verse in phrase: ”Yaisna min al-Maheedhi”—i.e. desperate for menstruation. Two categories of women can be desperate of menses:

1. Women, who have reached menopause, and

2. Women, who have reached the stage of puberty but do not menstruate.

Women, who have reached the stage of menstruation but fail to have menstrual courses, have been covered in the phrase “Yaisna Min al-Maheedhi”. The phrase under trial here is “Lam Yahidhna”, which comes next to it. It is a simple logic that a group of women, already covered in the earlier phrase, need not be repeated or covered again in next phrase. The Quran is the words of almighty Allah; it is not a matter of joke.

The secondly argument that comes from such Muslims is word “Nisa” in verse 65:4. They argue that “Nisa” means women; so the verse does not refer to prepubescent girls, but mature women. But this is an utterly lame excuse, which can be refuted using the same Quran. See some verses from Quran where we find the word “Nisa”:

And [remember the time] when we saved you from Pharaoh's people, who afflicted you with cruel suffering, slaughtering your sons and sparing [only] your women - which was an awesome trial from your Sustainer;
(Waith najjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun) [Quran. 2:49]

Said the chiefs of Pharaoh's people: "Wilt thou leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land, and to abandon thee and thy gods?" He said: "Their male children will we slay; (only) their females will we save alive; and we have over them (power) irresistible."
(Waqala almalao min qawmi firawna atatharu moosa waqawmahu liyufsidoo fee alardi wayatharaka waalihataka qala sanuqattilu abnaahum wanastahyee Nisaahum wainna fawqahum qahiroona) [Quran 7:127]

And remember we rescued you from Pharaoh's people, who afflicted you with the worst of penalties, who slew your male children and saved alive your females: in that was a momentous trial from your Lord.
(Waith anjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuqattiloona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun) [Quran 7: 141]

Remember! Moses said to his people: "Call to mind the favour of Allah to you when He delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: they set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons, and let your females live: therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.
(Waith qala moosa liqawmihi othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith anjakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi wayuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona Nisaakum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun) [Quran 14:6]

And when he brought them the Truth from Our presence, they said: Slay the sons of those who believe with him, and spare their females. But the plot of disbelievers is in naught but error.
(Falamma jaahum bialhaqqi min AAindina qaloo oqtuloo abnaa allatheena amanoo maAAahu waistahyoo Nisaahum wama kaydu alkafireena illa fee dalalin) [Quran 40:25]

In these verses, the word “NISA” is used to signify “Female infants”; it's use is not restricted to refer to mature women. To get the picture right, it is necessary to quote from the Old Testament, because these verses are replicas of story depicted in Exodus:

And the king of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives, of whom the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah; and he said: 'When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, ye shall look upon the birth-stool: if it be a son, then ye shall kill him; but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.' [Exodus, 1:15-16]

And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying: 'Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive. [Exodus, 1:22]

The story of Israelites under Pharaoh and his command to kill all male infants but let female newborns alive..! If we check all those Quranic verses, NISA is obviously used to signify female infants. So, “NISA” simply means females of all ages, according to the Quran.

Still quoting from Islamphobic websites I see. The problem is herve, that the main argument the Islamphobes have on this point is a misinterpretation about a verse about divorce.

The Islamic evidence from Quran, hadith and even secular scientific evidence shows that Islam does not condone s.ex outside marriage, forced marriages and paedophillia.

There's no shortage of Islamophobic misinformation out there - but until and unless you address the clear Quranic, Hadith and Scientific teachings given in evidence - you are not going to convince anyone who isn't already an Islamophobe.

I'm feeling generous - I'll let you have the last word. You can choose whether to address the evidence presented in the video, or not. Your choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDSyruxyW4&feature=player_embedded

Cheers,
Shafique

Here is a video of a muslum cleric, justifying and allowing the practice of pedophilia, under the quran.
worth thousands of words, it is undeniable, and authentic. when confronted, muslums can only come up with the same empty words, loon, islamophobia, fantasies and misinterpretation.
It is probably the hardest dilemma for muslums to accept the fact that muhammad was a pedophile and a child molester.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5t9U9r9 ... re=related

A February 2009 law set Yemen’s minimum age for marriage at 17, but it was repealed after some lawmakers called it un-Islamic and sent back to parliament’s constitutional committee for a review. The review has since been stalled by a group of lawmakers contending that enforcing a minimum age would be contrary to Islamic law

Another undisputable evidence that child marriage is Islamic.
If it was not, lawmakers would not have declared that enforcing a minimum age is contrary to Islamic law.
Case closed, Islam condones pedophilia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mid ... story.html

shafique wrote:Still quoting from Islamphobic websites I see. The problem is herve, that the main argument the Islamphobes have on this point is a misinterpretation about a verse about divorce.

So are the Muslim scholars quoted in this thread "misinterpreting" this verse as well?

I thought the Koran is a clear book. How could verses be "misinterpreted" like this? And why did you previously claim the verse was solely about menopausal women when your own video acknowledges it's also about prepubescent girls?

It would appear you're misinterpreting verses. But I would like to hear you explain your variant interpretation with that of your own source.

It is the Islamophobic bloggers that have this perverse notion that Islam condones paedophillia.

God's commandments are quite clear - no forced marriages, no s.ex outside of marriage and no paedophillia. The Quranic verses, hadith and even scientific evidence clearly outweigh what Islamophobic bloggers allege.

Cheers,

Shafique

So are the Muslim commentators "misinterpreting" this verse?

Why does your own video contradict what you previously claimed this verse was about?

If you need help remembering, you did claim it was only about divorce, yet your narrator acknowledges the passage also includes prepubescent girls.

So, who's right, you or your narrator?

God's commandments are quite clear

Which commandment against pedophilia would that be, btw?

Let me repeat what I wrote - it is the Islamphobic bloggers who have the perverse notion/interpretation of the verse about divorce.

God's commandments are clear - no s.ex outside marriage, no forced marriages and no paedophillia. You can choose to believe the evidence presented or choose to believe Islamophobic bloggers.

I see that above I offered herve the last word to herve.. and asked him to address the evidence presented. He chose not to address the evidence.

I extend this offer to you - address the evidence presented. If you just deny that the Quranic, hadith and scientific evidence has been presented that refute the Islamophobic blogger theory, then I really can't help you.

Your choice - address the evidence or just repeat your denials.

Cheers,

Shafique

You are repeating yourself quite well.

You've managed to repeatedly avoid posting the verse from the Koran that prohibits pedophilia.

Does it exist? You say so, but run away and refuse numerous requests to provide any such verse.

Perhaps it's as real as your religion?

Btw, how are the commentaries I've posted in this thread "misinterpreting" the verse?

Do you still claim the verse is only about menaupasal women?

event horizon wrote:So are the Muslim commentators "misinterpreting" this verse?

Yes, whoever interpreted that way. Whats written in the verse is plain to see.

Islam doesn't have clergy for this reason.

So it's not the "Islamophobes" who say underage marriage is allowed in Islam.

It's actually Muslim scholars/theologians over the centuries who have said this.

We disagree whether they "misinterpreted" this verse.

Btw, do you know which verse prohibits pedophilia in the Koran?

event horizon wrote:Btw, do you know which verse prohibits pedophilia in the Koran?

The verse has been given couple of times that mentions there is a marriageable age.

Is there a verse in Bible that prohibts pedophilia?

Indeed, and that verse has been discussed several times.

Namely, "marriageable" age isn't defined.

"Marriageable" age must mean prepubescent because Muhammad married a prepubescent child and the Koran gives divorce proceedings for prepubescent wives.

Nucleus wrote:Is there a verse in Bible that prohibts pedophilia?

I look forward to the answer to this one. (I'll leave you to enlighten eh as to what marriageable age means - you may want to refer him to the video again)

Cheers,

Shafique

Great, I'll await where the Koran further explains "marriageable" age and why we should ignore Muhammad marrying a six year old or the Koran giving divorce proceedings for prepubescent girls.

event horizon wrote:Indeed, and that verse has been discussed several times.

Namely, "marriageable" age isn't defined.

"Marriageable" age must mean prepubescent because Muhammad married a prepubescent child and the Koran gives divorce proceedings for prepubescent wives.

Marriageable age has been different in different times. But there is marriageable, and Islamic scholars in the past have defined it when a person reaches puberty.

As for the age of Aisha, hadiths are have weak source of transmission. Here is a detailed discussion on the issue http://forums.understanding-islam.com/s ... phet-(PBUH)-and-his-marriage-to-Aisha

And whilst you're waiting eh - care to answer Nucleus' question on a Biblical verse prohibiting paedophillia?

Cheers,

Shafique

Any passage that prohibits underage marriage or pedophilia?

The Koran *does* allow underage marriage and consumation of the marriage based on mainstream interpretations of two of its passages. So, if any one can find that passage in the Koran that prohibits pedophilia, then they'll just have to contend with the verses which allow underage marriage and pedophilia.

Thankfully or unfortunately, however, it appears there doesn't seem to be any contradiction in this case.

Anyways, the Koran is a complete book. I shouldn't have to go outside the Koran to interpret its verses. Otherwise calling it a complete book would have an empty meaning only used by spokesmen for Islam who have no desire for truthful conversation. And we all know that these spokepersons who deliberately misinterpret and invent verses in the Koran don't post on this forum.

shafique wrote:And whilst you're waiting eh - care to answer Nucleus' question on a Biblical verse prohibiting paedophillia?

Cheers,

Shafique

Sure, right after you provide the verse in the Koran that prohibits pedophilia and start addressing the backlog of questions in this thread you keep avoiding.

Nucleus - good luck. Whilst eh has been provided Quranic, Hadith and scientific references - I predict he won't provide one Biblical verse. I may be proved wrong.. but let's see.



Cheers,

Shafique

So where does the Koran prohibit pedophilia and underage marriage?

Did the Muslim commentators I've posted on this thread "misinterpret" this verse?

Nucleus - see, he won't provide a Biblical verse that prohibits paedophillia, but will continue his denials.

Cheers,

Shafique

The quran condones pedophilia and child rape through the glorification of muhammad, who is a proven pedophile and child molester of his own admission. I dont remember reading such admission in the Bible.

Are we going to find a passage from the Koran that contradicts the ones which allow for pedophilia and underage marriage?

What about those Muslim scholars, are they "misinterpreting" the Koran?