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shafique wrote:I refer you to the answer I gave first time you brought up the verse about divorce - that it refers to women who are menopausal, or who are otherwise mature but may not be having periods.
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65.4 is therefore in line with the other clear verses of the Quran, Hadith etc referred to in the video.

Only loons believe Islam condones paedophillia -and all based on a misinterpretation of one verse about divorce.

Cheers,
Shafique

65.4 is about women who have not YET menstruated, they are not menauposal. who do you think is going to beleive your spin?

Koran 65:4 - And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.

You see what happens when you get your information about Islam from loon websites!!

Your problem is that only loons believe your misinterpretation - and the evidence for the true teachings are in the video. Better luck next time.

Cheers,
Shafique

I got that from your own video, on count 4.40 it says , women who have not mensturated yet.
Your source , busted again, you dont even know what you post

LOL - and what was the conclusion of the evidence then? It was clearly that Islam does not condone paedophillia.

You're busted. (The verse is about menopausal women)

Cheers,
Shafique

The conclusion is that islam condones pedophilia, because of the three month period for a prepubescant girl in surat 65.4, the guy who is talking has no clue his conclusion is the exact opposite than surat 65.4

Yes, you continue to believe that. You only can make your case if you continue to misinterpret one verse of the Quran and ignore the evidence that clearly shows you are wrong.

Were you really an intelligence officer?

Cheers,
Shafique

but you provided the video with this surat, abd the fact that a grown man has to wait 3 months for a prepubescant girl , so it s not good anymore, just because it s counterproductive?

Try and keep up herve. The evidence all show that your loon misinterpretation is wrong. At 5.50 he explains that the verse applies to mature women .. why the selective quoting?

If you want to believe the loon websites - go ahead. God is quite clear about what is allowed and not, and your silly misinterpretation of a verse about divorce is all you have to cling to. Sad that.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Try and keep up herve. The evidence all show that your loon misinterpretation is wrong. At 5.50 he explains that the verse applies to mature women .. why the selective quoting?

If you want to believe the loon websites - go ahead. God is quite clear about what is allowed and not, and your silly misinterpretation of a verse about divorce is all you have to cling to. Sad that.

Cheers,
Shafique

You said 2 20, then 3 15, then 410, now it s 5.50,????? al shafique you are loosing it, now i finish you off, this is a screen shot of the video in your link, YOUR source, at count 4 52. tell me how can a woman who has not mensturated YET be mature, , and how stupid is that to provide links against your own claims, but it s not the first time you do that all the time.

Herve, your desperation is getting silly now.

5.50 explains how this verse applies to menopausal women.

You've failed. Again.

Cheers,
Shafique

Oh, and how it does not apply to women who have not mensturated yet,( child girls,), it s there, and it s called pedophilia.

Did you switch off the audio at 5.50?

Cheers,
Shafique

audio is irrelevant, it s just some guy talking, unkonwn, no credentials what so ever
the screen shot tesll it all.
Who is he?

...women who have not menstruated yet...

LOL - epic failure herve, epic failure.

Ignoring evidence provided is all that is left to you. You look like a sad old bigot now, sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending that evidence is not presented.



Cheers,
Shafique

You evidence, not mine, I dont ignore it, it s right there , at your face

As explained, if you listened, this applies to menopausal women - but hey, perhaps if you wish really, really, really, really hard you'll make everyone ingore this fact. But its in the vid @ 5.50.



Cheers,
Shafique

Explained by whom, you got a name?

Are you now trying a different argument now that you've failed, again?

Address the evidence in the video - the concept of s.exual and intelectual maturity etc all in the video. All of it shows that your loon version is false.

It should be straightforward if your loon theory is correct - show that the evidence presented is false. Go on, make my day.

So far you have just relied on misinterpreting a verse on divorce.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:You're busted. (The verse is about menopausal women)

Cheers,
Shafique

Sorry, are you unable to read what the verse clearly says?

The verse talks about three different categories of women. Menopausal women fitting in the first category of the verse and prepubescent girls mentioned in the second.

Koran 65:4 - And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.

The part mentioning women having "despaired" of their monthly courses obviously refers to menopausal women.

The second part is clearly separate and is talking about prepubescent girls.

As for how Muslims interpret this verse, perhaps you need a reminder since I've posted a half dozen tafsirs (commentaries) of this verse in this thread:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in ... _the_Verse

Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi

Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible.

Commentary on Qur'an Chapter 65:4
Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an

http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=65

etc.

LOL

eh, you're busted too. Now your friends have started to watch the video and comment about the Quranic, Hadith and scientific material in it - you can no longer avoid the clear evidence. Repeating your quotes from loon websites won't help - at the end of the day you are still relying on a misinterpretation of a verse about Divorce.

Fail.

The vid addresses this verse head on.. about 5 min onwards.

Cheers,
Shafique

The presenter makes several points that are unsubstantiated in the video. Nowhere does he show that marriageable age is at puberty. The Koranic verse (v4:6) does not specify an age. We know this belief runs contrary to Islamic teachings anyway given the fact Muhammad married a prepubescent Aisha and the verse he cites mentioning "marriageable age" mentions nothing about puberty and does not even pertain to marriage.

If you think your narrator has any other points that dispel the mainstream interpretation of v65:4 then post his arguments in this thread. One of your narrator's claims that prepubescent girls must wait three months so they can be sure about getting a divorce is also patently false. The Koran itself is clear that a waiting period exists for a divorce only when a husband has s.exual relations with his wife. The narrator ignores what the Koran actually says and provides his own opinion in which he does not offer any Koranic verses or even scholarly opinions to back his allegation up.

I'd say your video has been debunked. But we already knew that when you couldn't provide a single verse in the Koran prohibiting pedophilia after repeated claims by yourself that the Koran prohibits pedophilia. I'll ignore that you previously claimed v65:4 is only dealing with menopausal women only a few posts ago. Your presenter even acknowledges the second part of the verse talks about divorcing prepubescent girls.

The presenter makes the case very well - your whole case is based on a loon misinterpretation of a verse about divorce.

However, at the end of the day whether loons believe Islam condones paedophillia or not is moot - what God says is very clear. That is why eh can only pretend that the clear evidence and arguments in the video are 'debunked' by quotes from loon websites. They aren't.

Yet another fail by eh.

Cheers,
Shafique

That's why you can't present the "clear evidence and arguments" from the video, only claiming they exist and debunk my "misinterpretation".

Let me know when my "misinterpretation" is getting debunked.

As far as misinterpretation goes, only you have managed to misinterpret v65:4 of the Koran when claiming the verse only talks of menopausal women. Even the video you posted over a dozen times acknowledges that prepubescent girls are mentioned in the verse.

eh - just admit it. You've failed.

You are relying on a loon inference of one verse in the Quran which does NOT say paedophillia is ok. Only if we jump through your loon logic hoop can you make this silly assertion.

Fail.

Cheers,
Shafique

Sorry, but why do you have to imagine that explanations have not been given showing that the Koran finds pedophilia acceptable?

What part of what the Koran says of a "waiting period" didn't you understand?

The Koran gives a waiting period for divorced wives only if they have had s.exual intercourse with their former husbands:

Koran 33:49 - O ye who believe! when you marry believing women and then divorce them before you have touched them, then you have no right to reckon the period of waiting with regard to them. So make some provision for them and send them away in a handsome manner.

But your author gives another reason for the waiting the Koran stipulates for prepubescent wives. Unfortunately, he never cites the verse of the Koran he's used in his claim nor does he address the contents of v 33:49.

Perhaps you're aware of where the Koran gives another reason other than s.exual contact for having prepubescent wives stay with their husbands for a period of three months?

Fail. Again.

Imagining that 33.49 is about pre-pubescent girls is yet another sign of your desperation.

Islam is quite clear, it really is funny how loons wish to ignore this fact.

Cheers,
Shafique

Imagining that 33.49 is about pre-pubescent girls is yet another sign of your desperation.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. I explained the significance of the waiting period in v33:49 and how it relates to v65:4.

I never said v33:49 is about prepubescent girls. You're just retarded and want to throw the conversation off topic because you know the Koran does find pedophilia acceptable.

Obviously you're dimwitted/trolling and can't counter my actual arguments so instead churn out trollish one liners responding to arguments I've never made.

V33:49 says a waiting period for wives is only required when the husband has s.exual relations with his wife.

V65:4 requires prepubescent girls to wait three months before they can marry another husband.

If prepubescent girls must go through a waiting period, and that a waiting period is only required when a wife has s.exual relations with her former husband, that means the Koran allows husbands to have s.exual relations with their prepubescent wives.

Your imagination is getting tiring.

But why the desperation to justify a discredited loon notion about Islam? Who are you trying to convince?

Cheers,
Shafique

It is pretty clear in those 2 surats that the qran condones $ex with prepubescent girls, if EH is trying to convince anybody it is that you should stop trolling, you failed, and you have no credibility, nobody replies to your threads.

In this article dated 5 days ago, Rape epidemic in Oslo is directly linked to Muslim immigration.
http://patdollard.com/2011/11/report-ra ... ith-video/