event horizon wrote:zonker wrote:My friend, isn't this how you shadow warriors operate? Nothing is what it seems. BTW, I am sure you are aware of what the word Taliban means= students. They are too young to have been part of the actual Mujahideen, but their creators definitely were.
Just save me the time of reading your posts by simply stating you have no idea what you are/were talking about and were simply speaking out of your back end.zonker wrote:Many higher leaders among the Taliban were actually Mujahideen fighters. Mulla Omar, the Supreme Leader of the Taliban, was a Mujahideen.
I see how you contradicted yourself in the very same post.
I'll ask this one more time then I'll be done wasting my time with a dimwit:
Which 'holy warriors' from the Afghan-Soviet war that the United States 'trained' or funded are now or were high ranking Taliban and al-Qaeda members?zonker wrote:Hematyar is not from the Northern Alliance. He is a Pashtun.
1) I had just explained that your one example was not the norm - most of the people the US was in contact with would go on to become the Northern Alliance
2) The US never 'trained' Hekmatyar, which makes your highlighting this individual so particularly stupid.
3) Hekmatyar was not a member of the Taliban. Do you get this yet? You previously claimed the US trained people who would form the Taliban years later. Your one example of an Afghan warlord doesn't even meet your criteria when you were asked to give an example.
By the amount of drubbing you have recieved on this thread EH, you must be one shameless individual. I take my hat off to you for repeatedly coming back for more. You are like a rabbit on the run, scampering into one dead end alley after another. You change your stance and your statements, and the end result is just drivel.
I am not going to get involved in any long-winded arguments. I shall re-state and paraphrase what I had orignally said: The US and their allies were behind the War against the Russians in Afghanistan after the Russian Army invaded in 1979. The major chunk of this effort was from the US Government, of which the CIA is a part. All forces fighting the Russian Army were aided one way or another by the US. The Mujahideen were created out of this effort. The Mujahideen consisted of any able bodied individual willing to fight the Russian Army. Most of these people were from Afghanistan. Since Afghanistan's population is made up of 70% Pushtun and 30% Tajiks Uzbek's etc.,the Afghan portion of the Mujahideen were roughly in the same 70:30 ratio i.e more Pushtun than any other ethnic Afghan groups like Tajik or Uzbek. The Mujahideen also consisted of many Arabs from Saudi Arabia to Egypt to Algeria, who later came to be known as the Afghan Arabs, as well as people from Pakistan.
Around 1988, the Soviets were defeated, and when the Russian Army left, so did the Americans and other Western Allies. The Mujahideen were left behind to fester. Trained in sabotage and all forms of fighting skills, these people first got into squabbles amongst themselves, until they were formed into the Taliban by the Pakistan Army and their Intelligence outfit, the ISI around 1992-3. Iran was Afghanistan's western neighbour, didn't like this and it began to arm the Persian speaking Mujahideen against the Pakistan backed Taliban. Of course, the Taliban made mince meat out of the Northern Alliance in this confrontation. Then 9/11 happened, and the Americans came back into the region, and this time their natural ally was the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. Of course it would be!
You seem to have got stuck on Hekmatyar. He is not Persian speaking, and is therefore not from the Northern Alliance. He may not be Taliban, but he is not Northern Alliance.Do YOU get this?? He was a major player during the so-called Afghan Jihad (a word coined by the US), and every man woman and child knows in the region who his backers were : the CIA. Of course, no formal receipts were signed and no contracts exchanged for this; this is just not the way the CIA or any other agency involved in this type of work operates.
As I said, the Mujahideen metamorphosed into the Taliban. I suggest you look up this rather ordinary and simple word to understand the meaning of what I meant.
Who is a famous Taliban who was Mujahideen, you asked? I named Mulla Omar, the Supreme Commander and guiding light of the Taliban, just one of the thousands of Mujahideen turned Taliban.
However, by naming the Taliban, I was just giving a general example of what the US had created in the region, and a trouble-spot for the whole world. The so called Afghan Arabs, supported to the hilt by the US went on to create their own Organization of which OBL was later to become the head. And we know who OBL got his support from during the "Afghan Jihad"!
I hail from that region, having been born there; I speak the languages, and know the politics. I find your arguments extremely foolish. As they normally are on other threads.
, and now being pwned on events in WWII and more recent events in Afghanistan. In the religion forum he's drowning under his own spin - Hindus that are damned and condemned by the Bible are hell bound according to Christians, but he has created a new religion where they DON'T go to hell. He condones the killing of civilians by Jews if he thinks God ordered it, he refuses to condemn terrorists such as Baruch Goldstein - as they are religiously motivated terrorists. Indeed, he objects to naming the Khanist terrorists as such.
