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event horizon wrote:

And what part of 9 civillians getting executed by the IDF confuse you and FD ?

Let's go back to my previous question: Do we all agree that the Israelis used lethal force only *after* the activists used live fire against the commandos?

No Israel used lethal force couse they wanted to show off to the whole world that nothing without their will happens and that they are superior and all powerful no matter what happens...Pure arrogance, hence terror if you like..

Do you think all the countries who were behind the flotilla was inexperienced, and that noone ever thought of any kind of surveillance on what was getting on the board.
I am sure many spies from various intelligence services was closely monitoring in and out of the ship..And I am sure some of the civilian people on board were actually intelligence staff..
Israel was caught very badly...Every country on international matters behaves differently, the matter of fact is that the world knew how israel would behave under such circumstances..So israelies have been caught very badly preparing their story end in misery..They were forced to make mistake in this political game. They now realize this and part of their denial of how the report should had been written came from this..

Am I missing something here - has eh uncovered evidence that the unarmed civilians on board the ship fired some imaginary guns at the armed soldiers invading the ship? I remember that the Israeli spin at the time talking of a rifle or some other fire arm that the unarmed civilians allegedly had, but wasn't that proven to be just hype?

I do remember speculation that the unarmed civilians may have used the arms of soldiers they disarmed - but that hasn't been proven, has it?

What the report does say though, is that the 9 killed were shot by the invaders and that Israel hasn't provided an adequate explanation of why they were shot multiple times and some in the back!

Perhaps we should get eh to testify to the next inquiry if he has new information!

Armed invaders shot first and shot and killed 9, including an American. Extremists are people who justify crimes like this.

Cheers,
Shafique

I guess the bullet injuries the commandos sustained must have been imagined.

Israel should send a floatilla for the refugees in Northern Cyprus. That would be hilarioussss now. I think Shafique should do a report on the occupation there.

event horizon wrote:

And what part of 9 civillians getting executed by the IDF confuse you and FD ?

Let's go back to my previous question: Do we all agree that the Israelis used lethal force only *after* the activists used live fire against the commandos?

Err..unless there was some drastic new eveidence found in the past few hours. How can I say it.....a big fat NO.

How did you even come to that conclusion ?????? Serious English comprehension failure man, the worst yet I think ?

Sometimes you and FD really need to take of those fanboi spin tainted glasses and look at the real world for change. Its good advice, trust me.

-- Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:32 pm --

event horizon wrote:I guess the bullet injuries the commandos sustained must have been imagined.

Must be from the paint ball guns you keep talking about

Armed 'commandos' get beaten up and disarmed by unarmed civilians. Armed 'commandos' shoot fellow armed 'commandos'.

Fanbois blame unarmed civilians and justify the shooting in the back of unarmed civilians.

Extremist invents scenario to justify their belief.

(So eh, you seem to be spending a lot of time inventing scenarios and imagining arms etc - why don't you spend some time and answer the questions about your beliefs - regarding faith and works and whether the Pope is the Anti-Christ?)

Cheers,
Shafique

LoL. Is there a report that says the bullet injuries the commandos received were from friendly fire?

LOL - you want us to prove your 'imagined gun' theory is false. Nice one.

We're happy to stick with facts young one. But do tell us, who else shares your delusions? Not Mr Palmer at least.

Cheers,
Shafique

event horizon wrote:LoL. Is there a report that says the bullet injuries the commandos received were from friendly fire?

We discuss only Palmer report here - 105 pages in English language. What's the problem, man? Do you forget mother tongue?

event horizon wrote:LoL. Is there a report that says the bullet injuries the commandos received were from friendly fire?

LOL indeed but this time it stands for lost and loony !

You can take the friendly fire theory as RC put forward or how about a some passengers really wern't happy with the idea of being executed at point blank range like 9 of their other fellow passengers and choose to do something about it, some might even call it self defense. Unless ofcourse you're FD and willingly lay down to be executed by the IDF, afterall they are never wrong and some how it must be his fault and he totally deserves it.

Take your pick of which ever justifies your bais the best.

Now where is that report that that says there were fire arms aboard the Mavi Marmara...Oh I'm sorry one such report doesn't exist. Why....because there wern't ANY !

Maybe the young one thinks the unarmed 'attackers' slyly attacked the soldiers by running backward into the bullets?

Cheers,
Shafique

LOL indeed but this time it stands for lost and loony !

Wouldn't that be LaL ?

You can take the friendly fire theory as RC put forward or how about a some passengers really wern't happy with the idea of being executed at point blank range like 9 of their other fellow passengers and choose to do something about it, some might even call it self defense.

So you at least acknowledge that activists were armed with sidearms and used them against the commandos?

Therefore, they weren't 'unarmed'.

And you should at least get your facts straight. Not all 9 of the activists received bullet wounds similar to an execution type killing.

Friendly fire is only version. I guess it's as plausible as the weird FD's theory about using guns of unarmed commandos by passengers. Palmer's team didn't make any conclusion.

The only facts are that no firearms were found on the ship and 9 dead bodies. That's it.

Red Chief wrote:the weird FD's theory about using guns of unarmed commandos by passengers

Its not my theory, I am merely quoting the report:

Firearms were taken from IDF personnel and passengers disabled at least one by removing the ammunition from it. Two soldiers received gunshot wounds. There is some reason to believe that they may have been shot by passengers, although the Panel is not able to conclusively establish how the gunshot wounds were caused. Nevertheless, seven other soldiers were wounded by passengers, some seriously

event horizon wrote:So you at least acknowledge that activists were armed with sidearms and used them against the commandos?

Therefore, they weren't 'unarmed'.

No numnuts the Mavi Marmara was equipped with 6 110mm howitzers, actually it was a destroyer fleet disguised as a civillian flotilla and the people on board were actually a beach raiding party dressed in full battle gear, I even heard Jack Sparrow and Black beard were on board

Man, are you this stupid on purpose or is it a gift ? And I'm not even kidding or even trying to be sarcastic when I say this.

Now how the hell did you ever deduce that from what I posted or by anyone else OR the report ? I'm guessing you suffer from selective myopia, where the text that goes against your bais just dissapears.

Flying Dutchman wrote:

Red Chief wrote:the weird FD's theory about using guns of unarmed commandos by passengers

Its not my theory, I am merely quoting the report:

Firearms were taken from IDF personnel and passengers disabled at least one by removing the ammunition from it. Two soldiers received gunshot wounds. There is some reason to believe that they may have been shot by passengers, although the Panel is not able to conclusively establish how the gunshot wounds were caused. Nevertheless, seven other soldiers were wounded by passengers, some seriously

You definitely not. So it was your assumption only, which is GOOD FOR YOU. Friendly fire is also plausible I must say even in case of SELF-DEFENCE after sudden brutal attack with using heavy slingshots. Random fire on anybody, who moves.

Both explanations are only assumptions...

Red Chief wrote:The only facts are that no firearms were found on the ship and 9 dead bodies. That's it.

RC - facts and fanbois don't go well together, you should have realised that by now.

It is strange that eh is now imagining that the unarmed civilians 'had sidearms'. Next he'll be trying to convince us that talking donkeys exist because he believes this happened, or that the Pope is the anti-christ.. oops, wrong section.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Unarmed civilians are shot in the back, multiple times, and religious extremists and fanbois make excuses.

Sym - you'll only confuse the fanbois with historical facts. Note FD was trying pathetically to blame the victims, again.

Cheers,
Shafique

Man, if only he had similar loyality to his own country! He goes far away with extreme views regarding anything involving Israel, justifying all its crimes, and then lecture others on morals, lol. Schizophrenia!

Now if this stray dog is blindly loyal and madly in love with Israel, its just normal that he defends Israel that way. My question is, why don't he go live, and work there? Or even better join the IDF and go kill the native Palestinians, steal their lands, and then justify it as self defence, until there is nothing left of a complete native nation, then what would he do to claim self defence? Assassinate Shafique to put an end to all his nightmares that's keeps him awake all night

He should realise one fact, that even if he gave away his soul to defend Israel, he'll always be considered as a dirty spirit that will rotten in hell forever, according to the Jewish faith, of the state of Israel. And what's even worse and more pathetic is that he cannot choose to be a Jew, he should have the bloodline which is not possible in his situation, thus all of this one-sided love story between him and Israel is a failure, rather a catastrophe

I suggest you go ride a bicycle around Amsterdam and enjoy whatever is left from lifetime instead of devoting it to other things that won't benefit you with anything.

Boy it has been raining non-stop here in Rust, and Baden Baden since yesterday, but I still enjoyed Europa Park

It speaks volumes that the only point of agreement between far Left wingnuts (Finkelstein) and ultra conservative Muslim nutters (shafique) is their disdain for successful, Capitalist nations with a Judeo-Christian foundation.

????? Again nothing to say about the topic. And when all else fails, lets try some BS whataboutery !

event horizon wrote:It speaks volumes that the only point of agreement between far Left wingnuts (Finkelstein) and ultra conservative Muslim nutters (shafique) is their disdain for successful, Capitalist nations with a Judeo-Christian foundation.

Money and Power - - -> Nothing is successful with the Jews, only greediness