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When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, 'I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers' hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'

They said, 'Moses, wilt thou cast, or shall we be the casters?'

He said, 'You cast.' And when they cast they put a Spell upon the people's eyes, and called forth fear of them, and produced a mighty sorcery.

And We revealed to Moses: 'Cast thy staff!' And lo, it forthwith swallowed up their lying invention.

And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.

They said, "O Moses, either you throw [your staff], or we will be the ones to throw [first]."

He said, "Throw," and when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people and struck terror into them, and they presented a great [feat of] magic.

And We inspired to Moses, "Throw your staff," and at once it devoured what they were falsifying.

shafique wrote:
Please don't tell me eh is bringing up his straw man AGAIN. He failed to show I believe in superstitions in the past (he's pretty used to failing).

By contrast we have many examples of eh's own evasions on some Biblical events (Biblical beliefs he hasn't condemned and which his fellow American Christians believe in literally):

1. Talking donkeys (not to be confused with the loons aka 'talking a$$s' ):
philosophy-dubai/talking-donkeys-bible-evasion-t42810.html

2. Earth can stop revolving for a day (and the Bible and Science generally):
philosophy-dubai/talking-donkeys-bible-evasion-t42810.html

3. Eh's belief in Rapture (where he will magically disappear one day):
philosophy-dubai/rapture-day-t46391.html
philosophy-dubai/rapture-t39043.html


So, whilst I'm still waiting for any illogical beliefs within Islam (rather than some Muslims with superstitious beliefs/interpretations), perhaps eh can shed light on his own un-scientific beliefs.

In Islam there is something called "reasons for Ayat" in another words the timing and the instance or reason, I wish someone here can explain it more than me.
or you go complete your work and google it.

So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake.

The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.

event horizon wrote:

In Islam there is something called "reasons for Ayat" in another words the timing and the instance or reason, I wish someone here can explain it more than me.
or you go complete your work and google it.

So do you believe in Black Magic?

Do you believe the Egyptians were able to turn staffs into serpents or perform other magical practices the Koran says they did?

He said, "Rather, you throw." And suddenly their ropes and staffs seemed to him from their magic that they were moving [like snakes].

Koran 113:1;4
Say: 'I take refuge with the Lord of the Daybreak
from the evil of the women who blow on knots,

event horizon wrote:

Koran 113:1;4
Say: 'I take refuge with the Lord of the Daybreak
from the evil of the women who blow on knots,

So anyone else take refuge from women blowing on knots?

Exodus 7:10
So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake.

Exodus 4:3
The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.

event horizon wrote:Thanks, to me, the verse seems to be acknowledging the existence of magic. If you have any other interpretation of the verse then please let me know and we can look at what the chapter and verse say about magic existing.

And they followed [instead] what the devils had recited during the reign of Solomon. It was not Solomon who disbelieved, but the devils disbelieved, teaching people magic and that which was revealed to the two angels at Babylon, Harut and Marut. But the two angels do not teach anyone unless they say, "We are a trial, so do not disbelieve [by practicing magic]." And [yet] they learn from them that by which they cause separation between a man and his wife. But they do not harm anyone through it except by permission of Allah . And the people learn what harms them and does not benefit them. But the Children of Israel certainly knew that whoever purchased the magic would not have in the Hereafter any share. And wretched is that for which they sold themselves, if they only knew.

shafique wrote:Spare us your fantastical interpretations eh. Aren't you even mildly embarrassed you can't cut and paste proper quotes from the Quran?

Now, back to your superstitions:

Exodus 7:10
So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake.

and

Exodus 4:3
The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.

Do you NOT believe this Biblical account? If you do, does that make you superstitious?

You've so far failed in your attempt to show that your beliefs are shared by rational Muslims. Failure upon failure.

Cheers,
Shafique

desertdudeshj wrote:And Blue Shift what you are most probably talking about is Black Magic. I guess it would be the Subcontinetal equivalent of African and Caribbean Voodo.

symmetric wrote:Talking about MaGiC .. In our region, the city of Nazwa in Oman is very well known for its magicians and all the creepy stories of how they turn people to animals and how they can fly in the sky and etc.

DDS, I'm sure you heard of all these

In religion, dealing with such kind of horrible magic is a big sin and those who deal with it are strongly/strictly rejected by Islam.