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shafique wrote:Interesting facts are revealed in a recent Gallup poll - Muslims are less likely to justify violence and killings of civilians than Jews and Christians polled. Atheists are closer to the Muslim point of view when it comes to violence:...

Now, I could be wrong, but I expect the loon brigade here will jump in and deny the facts - and decide to quote screeds copied from loon sites.

Cheers,
Shafique

Dillon wrote:are you suggesting that American Muslims are different somehow from Muslims Worldwide?

Dillon wrote:You really do need to work on the credibility of your overtly biased posts and manipulated deceptive thread titles Shaf.

But Small Pockets of Support and Doubts About Sept. 11

Of course, although American Muslims largely reject extremist ideologies, results from the 2007 survey do reveal small pockets of support for extremism. And the survey found that younger Muslims in the U.S. are slightly more accepting of Islamic extremism than are older Muslims. Those under age 30 are more than twice as likely as those age 30 and older to believe that suicide bombings in the defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified (15% vs. 6%). This pattern is consistent with findings from Europe -- Muslims under age 30 in Britain, France, Germany and Spain are slightly more likely than those in older age groups to endorse suicide attacks.

The survey also finds that native-born African-American Muslims are less likely than other U.S. Muslims to condemn al Qaeda completely. Only 9% express a favorable view of the organization, but at the same time, just 36% give it a very unfavorable rating.

And fewer than half of Muslim Americans -- just four-in-10 -- accept the fact that groups of Arabs carried out the Sept. 11 attacks. Roughly a third (32%) express no opinion as to who was behind the attacks, while 28% flatly disbelieve that Arabs conducted the attacks. Fewer highly religious Muslim Americans believe that groups of Arabs carried out the attacks than do less religious Muslims. The survey also finds that those who say suicide bombings in defense of Islam can often or sometimes be justified are more disbelieving than others that Arabs carried out the Sept. 11 attacks.

Dillon wrote:Yes, as evidenced recently by Zine Ben Ali, Muammar Gaddafi, Hosni Mubarak, Hamad Al Khalifa, Qaboos Bin Said, Ali Abdullah Saleh, Bashar al Assad AND all their private and public armies, AND the peoples of their States, or are you suggesting that American Muslims are different somehow from Muslims Worldwide?

shafique wrote:Oh, and no, my view isn't that American Muslims hold different views from the other billion or so Muslims elsewhere in the world - just that reality and Guru Bob's fantasies about Muslims aren't good friends. )

A new report released Monday by the London-based Center for Social Cohesion reveals that British Muslim students are not far behind their Middle Eastern peers in their social values, especially those who are members of on-campus Islamic societies.

The report, entitled "Islam on Campus: A Survey of UK Student Opinion," reveals that approximately a third of those surveyed supported the idea that one can kill in the name of religion, a finding that has raised alarm bells....

Among the Muslim students surveyed, 32 percent said killing in the name of religion could be justified. However, almost double that number, 60 percent of those who are active members of Islamic student organizations, supported the idea.

Only 2 percent of non-Muslims felt killing in the name of religion was justified.

The most extreme religious fanatic poster here is actually a Christian.

Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
...
Pakistanis* 5%

shafique wrote:LOL - never mind eh, continue to believe in the propaganda and ignore the facts.

BTW, when you quoted the pew survey did you not have the link? Can't you find and verify the figures in the surveys cited?

Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Cheers,
Shafique

herve wrote:al shafique, you can't rely on polls, it s non sense, even your self you dont speak the truth.
what would you say if gallup asked you if you support HAMAS

shafique wrote:Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real.

Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians:

Mormon-Americans 64%
Christian-Americans 58%
Jewish-Americans 52%
Israeli Jews 52%
Palestinians* 51%
No religion/Atheists/Agnostics (U.S.A.) 43%
Nigerians* 43%
Lebanese* 38%
Spanish Muslims 31%
Muslim-Americans 21%
German Muslims 17%
French Muslims 16%
British Muslims 16%
Egyptians* 15%
Indonesians* 13%
Jordanians* 12%
Pakistanis* 5%
Turks* 4%
*refers to Muslims only

Therefore, Muslims in every country are less likely than U.S. Jews and Christians (and Israeli Jews) to believe that it is sometimes justified to target and kill civilians.

shafique wrote:Now, I could be wrong, but I expect the loon brigade here will jump in and deny the facts...

shafique wrote:;) MCL - Nope, didn't miss the Iraqi bombings or those in Pakistan or Afghanistan or the shootings in Miami and Johannesburg - but crimes around the world isn't the subject of this thread. It is rather about the evidence that is misused by loons who selectively quote survey results to support their dogma.

Cheers,
Shafique

No hype, just facts.