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Mmm great so airline prices will become astronomical very shortly:

http://www.thenational.ae/business/avia ... f-airlines

What about the dude who flies his curry in from Scotland. Should he be smacked with carbon taxes aswell.

Carbon tax is again nothing but a revenue making ploy. Its got nothing to do with being green or being a deterent.

Nope, but sadly means that the 'customer' is going to pay more again

You don't expect airlines to take the hit, as always pass it on.

desertdudeshj wrote:Carbon tax is again nothing but a revenue making ploy. Its got nothing to do with being green or being a deterent.

Well I can understand, to a degree, how some would subscribe to that misinformed viewpoint, you really should try to look further than the end of your nose DDS before coming out with such a statement!

The Carbon Trust is an independent not for profit company set up by the UK Government with support from business to take the lead on low carbon technology, providing specialist support to help business and the public sector boost business returns by cutting carbon emissions, saving energy and commercialising low carbon technologies.

http://www.carbontrust.co.uk/Pages/Default.aspx

There are similar organisations in most other European Countries.

Carbon Tax is imposed to counter the irresponsible actions of those who consume fossil fuels inefficiently and irresponsibly, the revenue goes into the receiving Government coffers, yes, but there is investment by those Governments, developing Sustainable and Green technologies and businesses.

Industry and Governments trade Carbon Credits as a commodity for Cash, 1 Tonne of Carbon is currently worth €34 per Tonne.

Think about this? We’ve been sucking oil out of the earth on an industrial scale for the last, say 100 Years, our scientists agree that we have now reached Peak Oil, which is the point in time when the maximum rate of global oil extraction has been attained, after which, the rate of production enters terminal decline, so if we ramp down oil extraction at the same rate it was ramped up, we will run out of oil completely within 2 generations! And think of the prices you will pay for fossil fuels when availability is in decline, and demand goes unchecked?

Gulf and ME airlines already have an unfair advantage over most of their competitors by way of Export Credit Guarantees made available from manufacturing Countries to buy their new fleets of aircraft, have they passed their financial advantage on to their customers? No. Have they invested in R&D of Sustainable and greener fuels to address their Carbon Footprint? Well some have, there is a JV between Etihad and Qatar Airways to develop a biofuel and biofuel/Carbon mix but the rest just go on making huge profits, and all at the expense of the Environment, thank you very much!

You don't expect airlines to take the hit, as always pass it on.

They will pass some of it on, they will have to, but they will still have to remain competitive with other airlines on the same routes. I don’t believe any ME Country has a Carbon Footprint reduction policy and I firmly believe any such policy would directly conflict with their revenue streams so I don’t envisage the introduction of any such policies anytime soon, but why should they be allowed to fly over European airspace without any Carbon Trading Agreements when European airlines have been forced to and for some time now with the tax about to increase substantially, so in my opinion, taxing Gulf and other ME airlines makes for a level playing field in the air transport industry and will be beneficial, in the long run, to the environment.

In 2008 the US it was proposed that a tax be placed on cows at about $175 per year, per cow.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28070487/ns ... s-burping/

India has the largest amount of livestock - 485 million, cows, goats and sheep. That's a lot of gas!!!!

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 46,00.html

Dillon wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:Think about this? We’ve been sucking oil out of the earth on an industrial scale for the last, say 100 Years, our scientists agree that we have now reached Peak Oil,.

Is this a case of apparently everyoneagreeing just because 60% of the scientists agree ?

Dillon wrote:Think about this? We’ve been sucking oil out of the earth on an industrial scale for the last, say 100 Years, our scientists agree that we have now reached Peak Oil,.

BlackburnRovers wrote:Is this a case of apparently everyoneagreeing just because 60% of the scientists agree ?

I don't know where you get your 60% figure from BBR, it's widely accepted by the industry that we have already reached Peak Oil, unless you have any conflicting information?

http://www.oilposter.org/index.html

Peak oil, I give you oil sand

Oil sands may represent as much as two-thirds of the world's total "liquid" hydrocarbon resource, with at least 1.7 trillion barrels (270×10^9 m3) in the Canadian Athabasca Oil Sands (assuming a 10% recovery).

In October 2009, the USGS updated the Orinoco oil sands (Venezuela) mean estimated recoverable value to 513 billion barrels (8.16×1010 m3), making it "one of the world's largest recoverable" oil deposits.[16]

Between them, the Canadian and Venezuelan deposits contain about 3.6 trillion barrels (570×10^9 m3) of recoverable oil, compared to 1.75 trillion barrels (280×10^9 m3) of conventional oil worldwide, most of it in Saudi Arabia and other Middle-Eastern countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sands#Venezuela

Good grief, the trouble with fossil fuels is two fold. On one end it's limited while on the other hand burning fossil fuels releases greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. And that's another huge worry!

Well I guess we'll find out in the fullness of time when exactly the Hydrocarbon deposits will run out, one thing's for sure, they will, whether it’s in the next 100Years or a little longer, it will run out and now is the time to develop commercially viable alternatives.

desertdudeshj wrote:Peak oil, I give you oil sand

Oil sands may represent as much as two-thirds of the world's total "liquid" hydrocarbon resource, with at least 1.7 trillion barrels (270×10^9 m3) in the Canadian Athabasca Oil Sands (assuming a 10% recovery).

If you look behind "stats" and "forecasts" the sands do not look like a good alternative. The technology of extraction requires huge energy, water and transportation. In Canada it's viable only due to deposits of natural gas nearby that uses for extraction oil from sand.

The cost of recultivation of territory could be extremely huge. Nobody cares about it in Arctic part of Canada. I doubt about it in fertile land in Vietnam or Venezuela.

So oil sands look like solar energy for me, where energy consumption for manufacturing of the cell is comparable with energy, which the cell generate for all its life-time.

In my view natural gas is much cleaner and cheaper alternative.