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I can only imagine the comments if I didn't support the Prevent campaign!

The numpties are the wannabes who can't actually construct working bombs like the Irish terrorists who managed to construct 99 of them last year. I think it is a good thing that the wannabe jihadists are thus far so incompetent - and we should indeed prevent any more of these guys acting out scenes from 'Four Lions'.

Simple really.

Cheers,
Shafique

In one of your own labels, so you'll understand my language!

FAIL!

And it's in Capitals too for better effect.

You and your 'beliefs' again. I haven't qualified my support of the Prevent policy in anyway - so I'm not sure why you seem to think I have.

Pointing out what the statistics of actual terrorists acts are is not a criticism of the Prevent policy.

But seriously, let me ask the simple question again:

shafique wrote:The stats suggest otherwise - 99 real bombs from non-Muslim terrorists is the cold-hard-fact I'm basing my conclusion on. How many real bombs came from muslim numpties over the same period?

Cheers,
Shafique

Terrorism, definition: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Not just Bombs, the threat includes every form of violence and intimidation.

Actual terrorist attacks attempted. Respective counts.

99+ vs ?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Actual terrorist attacks attempted. Respective counts.

99+ vs ?

Cheers,
Shafique

For ? Go here for enlightenment: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/counter-terrorism/

Would it not have been easier to type in the equivalent number of cases by muslim terrrorists?

I clicked on your link - no figures on the first page.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote::roll:

I support the Prevent campaign...

I can only imagine the comments if I didn't support the Prevent campaign!

You and your 'beliefs' again. I haven't qualified my support of the Prevent policy in anyway - so I'm not sure why you seem to think I have.

Is this your example of 'calling a spade a spade' Shaf? are you that bored your entertainment is attempting to confuse others with your random mood changes?

There's no need to answer my questions above Shaf, they're rhetorical.

Dillon wrote:Terrorism, definition: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Not just Bombs, the threat includes every form of violence and intimidation.

Something that the USA and UK are the best specialist of.

The war on Iraq? For instance?
The whole universe were agianst it, and yet the US and UK insisted on attacking.

What happened to the terrorist no.1 G.Bush? and terrorist no.2 T.Blair? They're free!
The Western terrorism is justified by the corrupted means of false democracy.

Continuous brutal implenenation of Western terrorism and democractic injustice, only feeds the anger/agony of weak hopeless nations.

@dillon - yes, actually - I do call my categoric statements about supporting the Prevent campaign 'calling a spade a spade'.

I really can't see how this can be misinterpreted.

The statistics relating to who are actually carrying out terrorist acts in the UK is unrelated to my support for the initiatives of the campaign to prevent extremism amongst muslim yoof and other muslim numpties etc.

Cheers,
Shafique

symmetric wrote:

Dillon wrote:Terrorism, definition: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Not just Bombs, the threat includes every form of violence and intimidation.

Something that the USA and UK are the best specialist of.

The war on Iraq? For instance?
The whole universe were agianst it, and yet the US and UK insisted on attacking.

What happened to the terrorist no.1 G.Bush? and terrorist no.2 T.Blair? They're free!
The Western terrorism is justified by the corrupted means of false democracy.

Continuous brutal implenenation of Western terrorism and democractic injustice, only feeds the anger/agony of weak hopeless nations.

May I suggest that if you wish to discuss ‘Let’s blame the world’s ails on the everything West again’ you create a thread of your own, in the forum you believe it is best fitted, although I don’t know of a suitable ‘Fairytale’ category, and not here in the Britain Updates it's Prevent Policy, where it clearly doesn’t belong. You could consider ‘Am I Paranoid’ as a suggested title for your new thread!



-- Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:07 pm --

shafique wrote::)

You and your 'beliefs' again. I haven't qualified my support of the Prevent policy in anyway - so I'm not sure why you seem to think I have.

So it would appear now you just want to discuss your schizophrenia?

You fear & hate justice, right?

symmetric wrote:You fear & hate justice, right?

I have a healthy fear Paranoia, Schizophrenia and Paranoid Schizophrenics.

I would fight for justice, and I hate injustice.

Fears, healthy or not, are a personal matter.

Statistics are less subjective.

Cheers,
Shafique

Stastics are frequently subjective, in fact I would go as far as to say that statistics are invariably subjective, particularly when they are presented completely out of context.

Agreed - statistics CAN be subjective.

However, where statistics are available to test out a 'belief', I like to look at the statistical evidence. That's just me - I'm perfectly happy in the fact that many people don't really need evidence for their beliefs and some hold on to notions even when the evidence shows reality is different from their beliefs.

I say present the stats, present your beliefs and let people make up their minds.

In this thread -I'm in favour of measures to prevent terrorism from within the Muslim community. Education and cutting off funding are part of these measures. If it can prevent even one terror attack, then it is worthwhile.

The separate issue about the empirical evidence of terror threats does depend on actual terror attacks/threats. On that measure, we have the 99 real incidents by (Northern?) Irish terrorists to compare with the terror attacks/threats by muslim terrorists. Empirically, there's no contest.

Cheers,
Shafique

More Smoke and mirrors, the subject of the thread is The Prevent strategy, The current threat level to the UK from international terrorism is severe. The most significant international terrorism threat to the UK remains violent extremism associated with and influenced by Al Qaeda.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/counter-te ... -strategy/

Well the key word here is international and not all.

^I love the 'influenced by' label that is applied to lump in wannabe terrorists with the 'real' Al Qaeda.

What the HO site clearly states is that the threat level in Northern Ireland is 'severe' and the threat in the rest of the UK is also 'severe'. In NI the threat is from Irish terrorists - and there they actually had 99 terrorist incidents involving bombs.

It seems quite logical to compare and contrast that with the 'severe' threat level in the rest of the UK which is said to come from 'Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda inspired' terrorists. The equivalent number of actual terrorist incidents and actual bombs is what I've requested and not received. This is strange, as the number is probably close to, if not, zero.

My contention that in Europe as a whole, in the UK as a whole (and in the USA) - the relative threat from Muslim terrorists is over-blown in the public imagination and positively distorted by the 'phobes - is therefore supported by the available official stats of terror acts.

In the UK, there were 99 terrorist acts (at least) carried out by non-Muslims. Empirically, therefore, if the Muslim threat was greater, surely we'd expect an equal or greater number of terrorist acts by Muslim terrorists in the UK during the same period.

No smoke, no mirrors and no numbers of terrorist acts by Muslims in the same period.

Simple.

Cheers,
Shafique

More smoke and mirrors, you omitted the fact that the threat of terrorism in Great Britain from NI is Substantial, the grade below Severe, The threat to the UK from Islamic Extremism is Severe.

Terrorism, definition: The unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Not just Bombs, the threat includes every form of violence and intimidation. Your arguments persistently refuse to consider anything else but bombs, your argument is flawed.

pssst Dillosh Do you believe in divine justice..You know British democracy was the greatest threat and danger to the ME before and after the 1st world war...Destiny or dear God destiny, it's gonna write history once more..LOL..

Dillon wrote: Your arguments persistently refuse to consider anything else but bombs, your argument is flawed.

The statistics about 99 real bombs in the UK by non-Muslim terrorists is factual. Why are you so coy when it comes to giving the equivalent number of bombs/terrorist attacks by Muslims in the UK in the same period?

Simple.

Cheers,
Shafique

As I keep telling you, the terrorist threat to the UK comes from wider circles than just NI, and manifests itself in many forms other than just bombs. You claim to be an actuary, do you use single sources of information and selective information within those sources when you evaluate risk? Heaven forbid I should ever consider a financial instrument or insurance policy developed from your statistical analysis.

-- Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:27 pm --

Berrin wrote:pssst Dillosh Do you believe in divine justice..You know British democracy was the greatest threat and danger to the ME before and after the 1st world war...Destiny or dear God destiny, it's gonna write history once more..LOL..

So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous and cruel, as you are.

TE Lawrence

I don't recall asking for your analysis of why the statistics should be ignored - I DID ask how many bombs etc were carried out in the same period that Irish terrorists carried out the 99.

We can agree to disagree over your analysis of which group poses the greater threat in the UK, but shouldn't we first look at the number of attacks etc carried out by Muslim terrorists in the UK during the period that the non-Muslim terrorists launched the 99 terrorist attacks listed by the police?

Why so coy?

Cheers,
Shafique

As I keep telling you, the terrorist threat to the UK comes from wider circles than just NI, and manifests itself in many forms other than just bombs. You claim to be an actuary, do you use single sources of information and selective information within those sources when you evaluate risk? Heaven forbid I should ever consider a financial instrument or insurance policy developed from your statistical analysis.

shafique likes stats, , here some
THREAD STATISTICS
no of times shafique said 99 bombs = 13
% of shafique's post with "99" = 86%
% of peope who take shafique stats seriously = 0%
% of shafique mind infestation = %100

I keep asking you for the number of attacks carried out by Muslim terrorists in the UK during the time period that non-Muslim terrorists carried out the 99 attacks in official stats.

You are free to argue that this number is more signficant than the 99 real terrorist acts.. but first let's see what the number actually is.

It is a bit rich to question my 'analysis' when I've only really presented one official measure - the 99 real terrorist acts in the UK (by non-Muslim terrorists).

(I'm patient.. the question is quite simple, you see. )

Cheers,
Shafique

he did it again, 3 times 99 in his last post
% shafique desperation = %100

You call it desperation, I call it persistence.

Here's another time - 99 real terrorist acts in the UK by non-Muslims vs a lower number by Muslim terrorists over the same period. What that number is should be a simple fact.

Cheers,
Shafique

do you actally beleive your desperation works? are you that naive? go print a T shirt with a big 99 shafique, go, make people laugh