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DearJohn wrote:Anyway reminds me of a story of when I got cosy with a nice english bird, she had a great body and I was very turned on but as we undressed I noticed she had a mole near one of her breasts with a hair pretruding from it. That really turned me off. Ultimately I couldn't perform nearly as well.

gertrude wrote:The point is that ALL muslims are evil...
When was the last time you heard Christians burned a Mosque.

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event horizon wrote:

kanelli wrote:Parts of Indonesia and Nigeria are still seeing conflicts between Christians and Muslims in 2011.

eh, you are clearly an Islamophobe. Neither Christianity or Islam or superior to one another, so you or anyone else here can try to argue which religion and its followers are more moral etc., but ultimately you'll fail.

Actually, I think many would argue otherwise. Would you call anyone who believes Islam is superior to Christianity a 'Christianophobe'? Seriously, let's hope you're consistent with this. (Although I'm sure you won't be once you start asking Muslims to compare Christianity to their religion and hear their responses)


I'm a critic and I'll remain one. I'll leave the name calling and adjective dropping to others, but if you fail to condemn any Muslim who believes Islam is superior to Christianity, then that would make you a ....?

eh, please let me clarify. What makes you an Islamophobe is the constant posting of anti-Islam propaganda that others have shown to be incorrect. It is hyping up negatives of a religion, constantly, for the purpose of instigating others to dislike or even hate that religion.

The last thing I would want to do is spread incorrect information on Islam

event horizon wrote:I don't recall posting anything that is anti-Islamic, but if I have, please let me know which of it is incorrect. The last thing I would want to do is spread incorrect information on Islam

John C. Lamoreaux | January 10, 2011 8:12 AM | Reply
For Egypt today, think Germany in early 1933. Would you wish to blame the Jews in Germany at that time for not speaking their minds?

Try to imagine what it must be like to try to shepherd a church in an environment like Egypt. Pope Shenouda can be disappeared, imprisoned, or worse, at any time. More likely, an NGO “proxy” would be used. Nor would the righteous indignation of the believers spare the mostly poor and mostly powerless members of his church.

A few Coptic clerics have been more outspoken. We know what happens.

Father Zakaria Boutros now has the honor of a 60 million dollar bounty on his head. And for what? He did what New Testament scholars do every day in a college classroom in the U.S.

Don’t even think about what happens if you preach the Gospel.

“Botros: I am a Copt. In my early 20s, I became a priest. Of course, in predominantly Muslim Egypt, Christians—priests or otherwise—do not talk about religion with Muslims. My older brother, a passionate Christian learned that lesson too late: after preaching to Muslims, he was eventually ambushed by Muslims who cut out his tongue and murdered him. Far from being deterred or hating Muslims, I eventually felt more compelled to share the Good News with them. Naturally, this created many problems: I was constantly harassed, threatened, and eventually imprisoned and tortured for one year, simply for preaching to Muslims. Egyptian officials charged me with abetting “apostasy,” that is, for being responsible for the conversion of Muslims to Christianity. Another time I was arrested while boarding a plane out of Egypt. Eventually, however, I managed to flee my native country and resided for a time in Australia and England. Anyway, my life-story with Christianity and Islam is very long and complicated. In fact, an entire book about it was recently published.”

Fr. Botros can now speak what he thinks.

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No one says that what is happening to Christians in Egypt is right.

The church of Saint Mina church was the first to be attacked. According to its pastor Fr. Abanoub the attack started at 5.30 PM on Saturday May 7, when church parishioners noticed a large number of Salafis, estimated at 3000 men, congregating near the church. Anticipating trouble, the army was called. The Salafis went to the church and asked to search it because they believed a Christian girl named called Abir, who had converted to Islam, married a Salafi and wanted to revert back to Christianity, was hiding inside the church. The Muslims circulated a rumor that the husband of Abir received a call from her asking him to save her as she was being “tortured” inside the church.
The governor of Giza said that there are no girls hiding in St. Mina Church. He falsely claimed that things were under control and a “reconciliation” meeting will be arranged for tomorrow. The army later cordoned off the entire district of Embaba.

Father Yohanna Mansour from Giza Bishopric confirmed that no one knows this alleged girl called Abir. He said the congregation was meeting at church and the Salafis wanted to break into the church and force a search to look for this alleged convert, he said in an interview with the Egyptian State TV. “Muslims always come invited to church, but this would have set a precedent that Muslims would use to search our churches.” He refused the “reconciliation” meeting and insisted on the application of the law.

Mahmoud04 wrote:hi Berrin, its almost 60% correct, the girl herself went to the army yesterday and investigations should have started, and as she said on phone calls to the media before the Church kept her since march and was convincing her to revert from Islam "thats what she said" and on Saturday when the Salafis grouped, the Church let her in the streets "she said so", BTW she wasn't married from Salafi. (BTW I don't like the adjective of Salfi to be given to a group of ppl...)

Really thats why I hate the media, they make a thousands of stories of anything, and everyone take the part he like and start a new story...
Personally I want the law to kick everyones @$*

but anyway I wanted EH to state the details himself, any idea how the fights started EH?

event horizon wrote:The irony in all of this is that Copts say Coptic women are kidnapped and held against their will.

I think the obsession regarding these stories in Egypt is the creepiest aspect out of all of it.

I would opine that Egypt needs law reforms.