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I'm not a Muslim but I have heard a lot of rumors about that often contradict each other (Such as Muhamad leaving the earth from Jerusalem, Jerusalem being a land promised by Allah to the Jews, Jerusalem never even showing in the Koran, etc).
So I'd like to ask you guys whats the truth about Islam and Jerusalem.
Thanks in advance!

http://islam.about.com/od/jerusalem/a/quds.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_in_Islam
I don't know if these links could help or not...wish it will..

Nony wrote:I'm not a Muslim but I have heard a lot of rumors about that often contradict each other (Such as Muhamad leaving the earth from Jerusalem, Jerusalem being a land promised by Allah to the Jews, Jerusalem never even showing in the Koran, etc).
So I'd like to ask you guys whats the truth about Islam and Jerusalem.
Thanks in advance!

Be a little bit more specific, you question is very vague

I meant to say "what is the importance and place of Jerusalem to Islam".
And thx for the links Muhamoud. From what I got, in Islam its the 3rd most important place to pray in (by Muhammad) and it's the place were Muhammad went to the heavens.
So I guess that means the rumors I heard about Jerusalem not showing in the Koran or being told its the land of the Jews are wrong?

Nony wrote:From what I got, in Islam its the 3rd most important place to pray in (by Muhammad)

For sunni's now yes (but not throughout history), for shi'a its far less important. When people say Jerusalem is the third most important place for Islam at the moment, they only mean for one sect of it in the present day.

Nony wrote:So I guess that means the rumors I heard about Jerusalem not showing in the Koran or being told its the land of the Jews are wrong?

Yala Yala Mordechai

"Even Al-Jazeera cannot rewrite history or the Quran"

Nice video, explains a lot.

Nony - excellent question.

The occupation of Jerusalem and the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel is a matter of law and UN resolutions. The international community is quite clear on this point.

Israel cynically re-named parts of the Occupied West Bank as 'Jerusalem' before annexing it - this is a matter of historical record. The UN and international community don't recognise this illegal annexation. No one here (seriously) disputes the annexation is illegal.

It's good and well to focus on these simple facts. A favourite Israeli tactic is to side-step these simple facts.

The Palestinians, for their part, are conceding that Israel now occupies West Jerusalem and can annex that part - the part captured in 1948. The part of Jerusalem captured in 1967 (and is now illegally annexed) - including the parts of the West Bank unilaterally and cynically re-named Jerusalem, should be part of the Palestinian state and their capital.

The links above adequately answer the relevance of Jerusalem to Muslims. However, those points are academic in the politics and legalities of the occupation and illegal annexation of East Jerusalem/parts of West Bank by Israel. It is about the illegal annexation, not about religion.

For the record, the religious freedom of all groups - Christian, Jewish and Muslim - should be enshrined and protected by the legal guardians of the holy sites in Jerusalem. Muslim rule of Jerusalem did enshrine these principles, and there's no indication that this won't continue when Israel gives up the illegally annexed parts of Israel.

The settlements (colonies) in East Jerusalem are illegal - as they are being built by the occupying power on land that does not belong to them.

Cheers,
Shafique

welcome back Shafique where have u been hiding....

The OP was about Islam and Jerusalem! Does that call for the usual anti semitic rant?

The history of the Jewish people begins with Abraham, and the story of Abraham begins when God tells him to leave his homeland, promising Abraham and his descendants a new home in the land of Canaan. (Gen. 12). This is the land now known as Israel, named after Abraham's grandson, whose descendants are the Jewish people. The land is often referred to as the Promised Land because of G-d's repeated promise (Gen. 12:7, 13:15, 15:18, 17:8) to give the land to the descendants of Abraham.

The land is described repeatedly in the Torah as a good land and "a land flowing with milk and honey" (e.g., Ex. 3:8). This description may not seem to fit well with the desert images we see on the nightly news, but let's keep in mind that the land was repeatedly abused by conquerors who were determined to make the land uninhabitable for the Jews. In the few decades since the Jewish people regained control of the land, we have seen a tremendous improvement in its agriculture. Israeli agriculture today has a very high yield.

Jews have lived in this land continuously from the time of its original conquest by Joshua more than 3200 years ago until the present day, though Jews were not always in political control of the land, and Jews were not always the majority of the land's population.

The land of Israel is central to Judaism. A substantial portion of Jewish law is tied to the land of Israel, and can only be performed there. Some rabbis have declared that it is a mitzvah (commandment) to take possession of Israel and to live in it (relying on Num. 33:53). The Talmud indicates that the land itself is so holy that merely walking in it can gain you a place in the World to Come. Prayers for a return to Israel and Jerusalem are included in daily prayers as well as many holiday observances and special events.

Living outside of Israel is viewed as an unnatural state for a Jew. The world outside of Israel is often referred to as "galut," which is usually translated as "diaspora" (dispersion), but a more literal translation would be "exile" or "captivity." When we live outside of Israel, we are living in exile from our land.

Jews were exiled from the land of Israel by the Romans in 135 C.E., after they defeated the Jews in a three-year war, and Jews did not have any control over the land again until 1948 C.E.

Zionism and the Formation of the State of Israel
The Jewish people never gave up hope that we would someday return to our home in Israel.

But for a long time, this desire for our homeland was merely a vague hope without any concrete plans to achieve it. In the late 1800s, Theodor Herzl and Chaim Weizmann founded Zionism, a political movement dedicated to the creation of a Jewish state. They saw a state of Israel as a necessary refuge for Jewish victims of oppression, especially in Russia, where pogroms were decimating the Jewish population.

The name "Zionism" comes from the word "Zion," which was the name of a stronghold in Jerusalem. Over time, the term "Zion" came to be applied to Jerusalem in general, and later to the Jewish idea of utopia.

Zionism was not a religious movement; it was a primarily political. The early Zionists sought to establish a secular state of Israel, recognized by the world, through purely legal means. Theodor Herzl, for example, was a completely assimilated secular Jewish journalist. He felt little attachment to his Jewish heritage until he covered the trial of Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish captain in the French military who was (unjustly) convicted of passing secrets to Germany. The charges against Dreyfus brought out a wave of anti-Jewish sentiment that shocked Herzl into realizing the need for a Jewish state. Early Zionists were so desperate for a refuge at one point that they actually considered a proposal to create a Jewish homeland in Uganda. Alaska and Siberia were also discussed. But the only land that truly inspired Jewish people worldwide was our ancient homeland, at that time a part of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire known as Palestine.

During World War I, the Zionist cause gained some degree of support from Great Britain. In a 1917 letter from British foreign secretary Lord Balfour to Jewish financier Lord Rothschild, the British government expressed a commitment to creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine. This letter is commonly known as the Balfour Declaration. Unfortunately, the British were speaking out of both sides of their mouth, simultaneously promising Arabs their freedom if they helped to defeat the Ottoman Empire, which at that time controlled most of the Middle East (including the modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq, as well as significant portions of Saudi Arabia and northern Africa). The British promised the Arabs that they would limit Jewish settlement in Palestine mere months after the Balfour Declaration expressed support for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

After World War I, Palestine was assigned to the United Kingdom as a mandated territory by the newly-formed League of Nations. The Palestinian Mandate initially included the lands that are now Israel and Jordan, but all lands east of the Jordan River were later placed into a separate mandate known as Transjordan (now the nation of Jordan). The document creating the Palestinian mandate incorporated the terms of the Balfour Declaration, promising the creation of a national Jewish homeland within the mandated territory. Many Arab leaders were initially willing to give Palestine to the Jews if the rest of the Arab lands in the Middle East were under Arab control. However, the Arabs living in Palestine vigorously opposed Jewish immigration into the territory and the idea of a Jewish homeland. It is around this time that the idea of Palestinian nationality (distinct from Arab nationality generally) first begins to appear. There were many riots in the territory, and the British came to believe that the conflicting claims were irreconcilable. In 1937, the British recommended partition of the territory.

The Holocaust brought the need for a Jewish homeland into sharp focus for both Jews and for the rest of the world. The Jews who tried to flee Nazi Germany were often turned back due to immigration limitations at the borders of every country, including the United States, Britain and Palestine. Many of those who were sent back to Germany ended up in death camps where they were systematically murdered.

The British were unable to come up with a solution that would satisfy either Arabs or Jews, so in 1947, they handed the problem to the newly-founded United Nations, which developed a partition plan dividing Palestine into Jewish and Arab portions. The plan was ratified in November 1947. The mandate expired on May 14, 1948 and British troops pulled out of Palestine. The Jews of Palestine promptly declared the creation of the State of Israel, which was recognized by several Western countries immediately.

However, the surrounding Arab nations did not recognize the validity of Israel and invaded, claiming that they were filling a vacuum created by the termination of the mandate and the absence of any legal authority to replace it. The Arabs fought a year-long war to drive the Jews out. Miraculously, the new state of Israel won this war, as well as every subsequent Arab-Israeli war, gaining territory every time the Arabs attacked them.

Today, approximately five million Jews, more than a third of the world's Jewish population, live in the land of Israel. Jews make up more than eighty percent of the population of the land, and Jews are in political control of the land, though non-Jews who become citizens of Israel have the same legal rights as Jewish citizens of Israel. In fact, there are a few Arab members of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament).

About half of all Israelis are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who fled persecution in Eastern Europe starting in the late 1800s, from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Jews continue to immigrate to Israel in large numbers. Immigration to Israel is referred to as aliyah (literally, ascension). Under Israel's Law of Return, any Jew who has not renounced the Jewish faith (by converting to another religion) can automatically become an Israeli citizen, somewhat similar to the way Ireland gives automatic citizenship to second or third generation descendants of Irish citizens. Gentiles may also become citizens of Israel after undergoing a standard naturalization process, much like the one required to become a United States citizen.

Israel is governed by a legislative body called the Knesset (literally, "Assembly"), made up of 120 members. Under the Israeli electoral system, each party presents a list of candidates, and voters vote for the list rather than for individual candidates. The party receives a number of seats proportional to the number of votes it received, thus a party getting 10% of the vote will get 10% of the available seats. As a result, no Israeli party ever has a majority of the seats in the Knesset, and governmental business is conducted by coalition building. This system can give minority groups a significant amount of power, because their support may be needed to gain a majority. Israel also has a president, elected by the Knesset, and a Prime Minister, formerly elected directly but this system is in flux.

Most Jews today support the existence of the state of Israel, though not necessarily all of the policies of its government (as one would expect in any democracy). There are a small number of secular Jews who are anti-Zionist. There is also a very small group of right-wing Orthodox Jews who object to the existence of the state of Israel, maintaining that it is a sin for us to create a Jewish state when the messiah has not yet come. However, this viewpoint does not reflect the mainstream opinion of Orthodoxy. Most Orthodox Jews support the existence of the state of Israel as a homeland, even though it is not the theological state of Israel that will be brought about by the messiah.

For an interesting perspective on the situation in Israel today, check out The Long Road to the Promised Land, a blog written by Gunter David. Gunter is a retired American journalist who grew up in the land that is now Israel before Israel became a state. His wife's family was in that land for four generations, and both of them have family in Israel. It hasn't been updated in quite some time, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

Hope this goes someway to explain why Jersalem is the promised land for the Jews and it will never be handed back to the Palestinians as it was never rightly theirs.

wow, its really Sunday BM, u had enough time to write all that...
I believe we all don't disagree on history or present, future! may be!

But regardless, I have a question, if someone who is for example 4000 years old, would there be a chance that he was Jewish then accepted Christianity then accepted Islam?

Mahmoud04 wrote:wow, its really Sunday BM, u had enough time to write all that...
I believe we all don't disagree on history or present, future! may be!

But regardless, I have a question, if someone who is for example 4000 years old, would there be a chance that he was Jewish then accepted Christianity then accepted Islam?

I cut and pasted it Mahmoud! Isn't that what everyone else does on these topics?

I don't think you'll find anyone who is 4000 years old Mahmoud, they would be dead and buried long ago. Why do you ask?

well, thats why I said "if"....
well, the reason I asked, coz sometimes I think of it this way, what if a Jew accepted Christianity or Islam now? will he be sent out of Israel? what if a Muslim decided to be Jew, will he be accepted in Israel?

Humans has made the worst use out of religions I guess, All.

Hope this goes someway to explain why Jersalem is the promised land for the Jews and it will never be handed back to the Palestinians as it was never rightly theirs.

I think the jews need to understand what initially chosen people or promised land was meant to be...
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310/viewall/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/4116/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2435/viewall/
http://theislamawareness.blogspot.com/2 ... -jews.html

Let me repeat the point that Israel's renaming of bits of the West Bank as Jerusalem and then illegally annexing it (and the rest of East Jerusalem) is a secular crime - an act that the US, UK, UN etc all agree is a crime.

So, we must make a distinction between the historic boundaries of Jerusalem when reviewing history and also modern day politics.

A crime is a crime.

Prisons are full of criminals who have excuses for their crimes, or who believe they didn't do anything wrong. It would be madness to side with the convicted criminals in the face of facts.

Israeli fanbois can only try and divert attention from the illegal annexation - and do so based on dubious arguments. However, the law is unimpressed with these excuses for stealing land. So am I.

The connection of Islam and Christianity to the Holy sites in East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem don't feature in the legality of the current Israeli occupation of historic East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza (and the bits it has renamed Jerusalem)

Cheers,
Shafique

Mahmoud04 wrote:what if a Jew accepted Christianity or Islam now? will he be sent out of Israel

No.

Mahmoud04 wrote:what if a Muslim decided to be Jew, will he be accepted in Israel?

No, Someones decision to become a Jew has no influence on whether you will be accepted as a Jew. If you are accepted as a converted Jew, yes, you will be accepted in Israel.

shafique wrote:Let me repeat the point that Israel's renaming of bits of the West Bank as Jerusalem and then illegally annexing it (and the rest of East Jerusalem) is a secular crime - an act that the US, UK, UN etc all agree is a crime.

So, we must make a distinction between the historic boundaries of Jerusalem when reviewing history and also modern day politics.

A crime is a crime.

Prisons are full of criminals who have excuses for their crimes, or who believe they didn't do anything wrong. It would be madness to side with the convicted criminals in the face of facts.

Israeli fanbois can only try and divert attention from the illegal annexation - and do so based on dubious arguments. However, the law is unimpressed with these excuses for stealing land. So am I.

The connection of Islam and Christianity to the Holy sites in East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem don't feature in the legality of the current Israeli occupation of historic East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza (and the bits it has renamed Jerusalem)

Cheers,
Shafique

There is no need to repeat your point Shafique, unless you have had a sneaky peak at what BM has written! It appears that your foe list is on and off more than a bride's nighty

I think the jews need to understand what initially chosen people or promised land was meant to be...
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310/viewall/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/4116/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2435/viewall/
http://theislamawareness.blogspot.com/2 ... -jews.html

Now c'mon Berrin! To be taken seriously you need to consider both sides of the argument. Otherwise you will just become Shafique Mark 2!

No, Someones decision to become a Jew has no influence on whether you will be accepted as a Jew. If you are accepted as a converted Jew, yes, you will be accepted in Israel.

Thanks FD! You explain it so much better than BM!

Flying Dutchman wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:what if a Jew accepted Christianity or Islam now? will he be sent out of Israel

No.

Mahmoud04 wrote:what if a Muslim decided to be Jew, will he be accepted in Israel?

No, Someones decision to become a Jew has no influence on whether you will be accepted as a Jew. If you are accepted as a converted Jew, yes, you will be accepted in Israel.

FD, can u please read ur post again!!! specially the second comment... u said No, then you meant yes!

So Israel is a country that is only for Jew, no other religion is allowed to be Israeli? hmmmm, this could be a good excuse for countries who wants to build an religious law, based on Sharia for example :s

But again u said if a jew converted to another religion he/she has the right to remain Israeli, this is confusing...

Mahmoud04 wrote:FD, can u please read ur post again!!! specially the second comment... u said No, then you meant yes!

Let me give you an example to clarify. If Mahmoud decides to become a Jew (calling himself a Jew and life like a Jew), it does not mean he is a Jew according the Jewish religious institutes. You have to be accepted as a Jew if you want to be allowed into Israel under the law of return.

Mahmoud04 wrote:So Israel is a country that is only for Jew, no other religion is allowed to be Israeli?

Huh? All religions are allowed in Israel.

Mahmoud04 wrote:But again u said if a jew converted to another religion he/she has the right to remain Israeli, this is confusing...

I am sure it is for somebody with a marble and a half up there.

maybe not the right place to ask but I always wanted to know why people make fun of jewish people for being stingy. The jews that I have met have been quite generous. Where does this come from>?

Hi Dear John and welcome.

I don't know where the stereotype of a stingy Jewish person comes from.. I suspect it is from the times when anti-semitism was rife in Europe and they were the equivalent of brown people or immigrants today. Just guessing though.

As an Englishman, it is interesting to note that we have other national stereotypes that are 'insulting' - Irishmen being intellectually challenged (typified by 'Paddy' jokes) and Scottish people being stingy (or 'frugal' if we are being diplomatic).

However, this thread is about Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is holy to Judaism, Christianity and Islam - but the current attempt by Israel to legitimise the stealing of East Jerusalem is not based on religion (recall that a lot of the land they are attempting to steal isn't actually Jerusalem at all - but the West Bank areas re-named Jerusalem).

Cheers,
Shafique

Bethsmum wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:wow, its really Sunday BM, u had enough time to write all that...
I believe we all don't disagree on history or present, future! may be!

But regardless, I have a question, if someone who is for example 4000 years old, would there be a chance that he was Jewish then accepted Christianity then accepted Islam?

I cut and pasted it Mahmoud! Isn't that what everyone else does on these topics?

I don't think you'll find anyone who is 4000 years old Mahmoud, they would be dead and buried long ago. Why do you ask?

Some people cut and paste, but they usually give a link and credit where it came from. It seems your info came word for word from http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm

Most adults know not to plagiarize and try to pass it off as their own.

kanelli wrote:

Bethsmum wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:wow, its really Sunday BM, u had enough time to write all that...
I believe we all don't disagree on history or present, future! may be!

But regardless, I have a question, if someone who is for example 4000 years old, would there be a chance that he was Jewish then accepted Christianity then accepted Islam?

I cut and pasted it Mahmoud! Isn't that what everyone else does on these topics?

I don't think you'll find anyone who is 4000 years old Mahmoud, they would be dead and buried long ago. Why do you ask?

Some people cut and paste, but they usually give a link and credit where it came from. It seems your info came word for word from http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm

Most adults know not to plagiarize and try to pass it off as their own.

I am an adult K Most adults don't go on about their foe list 24/7 even when it doesn't work

-- Mon May 09, 2011 8:55 am --

DearJohn wrote:maybe not the right place to ask but I always wanted to know why people make fun of jewish people for being stingy. The jews that I have met have been quite generous. Where does this come from>?

I think it may be from the fact that Jewish people are hard working and watch their money closely. I find people can be very jealous of others that appear to be doing very well for themselves.
Jews are very community orientated and they not only help their families in times of need but also their communities. They are very gererous people, with not only money but affection, too.

As an Englishman, it is interesting to note that we have other national stereotypes that are 'insulting'

Why the desperate need to get that in Shaf?

Let me give you an example to clarify. If Mahmoud decides to become a Jew (calling himself a Jew and life like a Jew), it does not mean he is a Jew according the Jewish religious institutes. You have to be accepted as a Jew if you want to be allowed into Israel under the law of return.

but regardless whether the Jewish religious institutes accepted or not, he/she is Jew in front of GOD, right?
so these institutes are just for certifications, and he/she is allowed by the name of GOD to go and find a place in Israel...

Mahmoud04 wrote:but regardless whether the Jewish religious institutes accepted or not, he/she is Jew in front of GOD, right? so these institutes are just for certifications, and he/she is allowed by the name of GOD to go and find a place in Israel...

Tell that to Israeli immigration with your Egybtian bassbort.

its EgyPtian, and Passport...

Flying Dutchman wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:but regardless whether the Jewish religious institutes accepted or not, he/she is Jew in front of GOD, right? so these institutes are just for certifications, and he/she is allowed by the name of GOD to go and find a place in Israel...

Tell that to Israeli immigration with your Egybtian bassbort.

I had to log in again just to give you this smiley!

Flying Dutchman wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:what if a Jew accepted Christianity or Islam now? will he be sent out of Israel

No.

LOL if he wasn't gonna be sent out of israel..then why the hell they invaded palestine and tried to exile muslim arabs as much as they can through every military force they could use..
Jews could still seek asylum or emigrate without the need for a jewish state you know...

Before zionist jews invaded palestine for a jewish state, Local jews and muslim were living together nobody was discriminating or chucking out the other due to their religious identity until Machiavellianism become a wide spread political thought..

-- Tue May 10, 2011 1:56 pm --

Flying Dutchman wrote:

Mahmoud04 wrote:FD, can u please read ur post again!!! specially the second comment... u said No, then you meant yes!

Let me give you an example to clarify. If Mahmoud decides to become a Jew (calling himself a Jew and life like a Jew), it does not mean he is a Jew according the Jewish religious institutes. You have to be accepted as a Jew if you want to be allowed into Israel under the law of return.

So what you're saying is that it is not enought to convert judaism you have to be racially a chosen person as well..

but who is a jew by race? Who are the Semites?
Biblically, the most general designation of the Semites are all the descendants of Shem, one of the three sons of Noah, either the first or the last in conflicting opinions of biblical scholars, but always the first mentioned.[3] It was in the house of Shem were the Shekinah[4] was to dwell, and he is singled out with much other praise and blessings in the Bible. “…it is clear that, according to the Biblical classification, the Arabs, Babylonians, Assyrians, Arameans, and Hebrews were regarded as Semites, or the descendants of Shem.”[5] Modern scholars, placing greater emphasis on language derivation, include Abyssinians, Phenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews, Moabites, and Edomites to those mentioned before.

In whichever context we discuss the subjects, the Arabs, like the Hebrews (and thus Jews), are clearly Semites as well. Thus to say that the Quran is anti-Semitic is to say that the Quran makes the entire Semitic race inferior others, and that would include Arabs as well, something improbable as God favored both these nations with Prophets.
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/310/

Mahmoud04 wrote:So Israel is a country that is only for Jew, no other religion is allowed to be Israeli?

Huh? All religions are allowed in Israel.

Huh..what a lot of garbage from FD... you just said.."If Mahmoud decides to become a Jew (calling himself a Jew and life like a Jew), it does not mean he is a Jew according the Jewish religious institutes.You have to be accepted as a Jew if you want to be allowed into Israel under the law of return."

Mahmoud04 wrote:But again u said if a jew converted to another religion he/she has the right to remain Israeli, this is confusing...

I am sure it is for somebody with a marble and a half up there.

You can explain him a million times Mahmoud but his views will stay short sighted since he likes wearing his blindfold..

Mahmoud04 wrote:its EgyPtian, and Passport...

Please also inform all parking attendants in Dubai that its no parking, instead of no barking!

-- Tue May 10, 2011 2:06 pm --

Berrin wrote:invaded

Israel already existed thousands of years before the Arabs invaded under the banner of Jihad.

Berrin wrote:palestine

Palestine is an imaginary country that never existed and cannot even be pronounced probably by the people that call themselves Falistitian nowadays.

-- Tue May 10, 2011 1:56 pm --

Berrin wrote:So what you're saying is that it is not enought to convert judaism you have to be racially a chosen person as well..

No, I am not saying that as its not true.

Berrin wrote:but who is a jew by race?

Jews are not a race, its an ethnicity.

Berrin wrote:Huh..what a lot of garbage from FD .

Nope, there is freedom of religion in Israel. Actually for some religions, like Bahai and Ahmadi's, Israel is the only safe place in the ME.

wow, I am impressed FD, u answered all the exam questions

I found this link
http://spinner.cofc.edu/~piccione/graph ... ebcluster&

didn't yet have enough time to read it, but thought to share anyway....

Mahmoud04 wrote::bounce: wow, I am impressed FD, u answered all the exam questions

And I was thinking just exactly that!