Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist'

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Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
A very interesting analysis of the Egyptian protests (and perhaps a revolution in the making) - and contrasting it with the Iranian revolution.

It gives 4 reasons why this Egyptian 'revolution' is not Islamist - some fascinating insights, and clear logical arguments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/haroon-mo ... 15848.html

4 Reasons Why Egypt’s Revolution Is Not Islamic


Just as in the case of Tunisia, we’ve been caught off guard by the rapid pace of events in Egypt. Commentators are having a difficult time understanding the dynamics of the Arab world and especially the role of religion in this latest apparent revolution. Many wonder why this isn’t an Islamic Revolution, and are audibly breathing a sigh of relief that it isn’t — assuming that somehow Egypt would follow Iran’s rather unique trajectory in 1979 and thereafter.

So why isn’t Egypt’s revolution an Islamic one? And what sets Tunisia and Egypt apart from Iran? Due to the quickly shifting nature of events, I’ve recorded four reasons why Egypt’s uprising isn’t an explicitly Islamic one.

1) The political Islamism that ended up triumphing in Iran was a much more authoritarian interpretation of Islam. It specifically embraced political power and preached a narrative of resistance, though its victory in Iran paradoxically ended any chance of victory elsewhere. That’s because when elites and other, non-religious ideological forces in neighboring Muslim countries saw the purges of prior elites taking place in Iran, they immediately became skeptical of working alongside Islamists in their own country.

Islamic challenges to regimes in Tajikistan, Algeria and Tunisia, among others, were violently supressed even though they pursued their goals democratically. Most Islamists learned from this brutal experience and grew from it; Egypt’s most powerful Muslim group, the Muslim Brotherhood, was one such group. It’s probably safe to say that Iran was the only victory for this style of Islamism, and now, some 30-plus years later, its moment has largely passed. The geopolitical, economic and social reasons for its emergence have disappeared.

2) Iran’s Islamist opposition to the Shah was shaped by the peculiarities of Shi’a Islam and Iranian history. Shi’as have a more organized and powerful clergy than Sunnis, and Iran’s clergy, unlike Egypt’s, were much more independent of the state. In Egypt today, among the main trends in Islamic practice are a quietist Salafism, which seeks a rigorous but non-political personal morality, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And while the Brotherhood is an incredibly large and powerful organization, it is today a product of years of suppression, torture, and intimidation. While it seeks to change society, it does not pursue an explicitly political agenda. Rather, it believes that an ideal politics will be achieved once society is Islamized — in other words, enough introduction of Muslim values into popular culture, and society will simply reform itself — and that includes the state. So while they have political ideals, they certainly don’t have an explicit political program.

That said, it’s no surprise that the Brotherhood weren’t out ahead in the recent protests: They’ve largely eschewed street politics (it ends with their members electrocuted in jails). It’s also worth considering, although this is still conjectural, whether the Brotherhood declined to play a more public role even after they caught up to events on the street precisely because they know a more prominent role for themselves could draw negative attention. I’m sure the Brotherhood knows that Mubarak would love to have Islamists to blame for the uprising. It would make our government support for his crackdown that much easier to obtain.

3) People who study Iran know how vexed the relationship is, and has been, between Persian cultural identity and Islam. While many Iranians before the revolution were religious in a non-political way, the country’s elite tended to see Islam and Persianness as mutually incompatible. On the other hand, Egypt is a proudly Arab society (hint: the Arab Republic of Egypt) which has never seen Islam as incompatible with their specific ethnic and national project.

Arabness and Islam are hard to pull apart, such that the late Michel Aflaq, the founder of the Arab nationalist Ba’ath Party — he was a Christian — praised Islam as an achievement of the Arab cultural genius. (Many Muslims wouldn’t take too kindly to such a reading, but there you have it.) That difference in dynamics between Egypt and Iran needs to be stressed.

While Iran’s Shah campaigned against Islam and sought to erase its role in Persian history and culture, Mubarak never attacked Islam with anywhere near the same vehemence. He’s far more concerned with preserving power for himself than he is with rewriting Egyptian history (unfortunately for his prospects of remaining in power, he’s concerned with himself–and not even for Egypt’s advancement, unlike other Third World dictatorships, which do emphasize and achieve real economic growth). And this brings us to the most important point…

4) Egypt’s revolution doesn’t have to be Islamic because Islam isn’t at the heart of the problem on the ground. In fact, the non-political Egyptian Islam of the last few decades has succeeded in deeply Islamizing Egyptian culture, making Muslim piety interwoven with the everyday rhythms of Egyptian life. We saw this in the protests after the Friday prayers today, in the spontaneous congregational prayers that took place in the heat of demonstrations–and we can see it in the number of Egyptian women who veil (though many don’t and still strongly identify with Islam, whether culturally or religiously, personally or publicly).

Egypt’s society is a deeply Muslim one, and the very success of this non-political religious project has negated the need for a confrontational Islam. Egyptians know their religious identity is not under threat. ElBaradei, for example, joined in Friday prayers today before going out into the streets. Whether Egyptians identify with political Islam or secular democracy, their Arabness and Islam tend to be mutually supportive, and certainly not incompatible.

Where there is a danger is that if the United States does not come out explicitly in favor of the people, subsequent events will become more confrontational, and may even see the introduction of a more cultural and civilizational rhetoric. The Shah monopolized power and sought to erase a culture. Mubarak, for all his brutality, has had no such grandiose presumption.

As an aside, I might also add that Muslim societies often have flourishing religious institutions and practices, organic and varied. But in the case of Iran, the regime paradoxically undermined that popular and organic religiosity when they sought to enforce faith through the state. This is an argument for keeping religion and politics separate in the Muslim world: in the interest of defending both from the negative effects of the other. Egypt’s “secular” dictator, who didn’t meddle too far into his people’s religious life — he was no Shah, and no Ben Ali — hasn’t created a sharp cultural divide in his country (the economic one is something else altogether). So why would Egyptians need, want, or stress, an Islamic Revolution?

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Re: Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
What does "Islamist" mean?

In my world western description of an islamist means someone who opposes secularism and persues sharia!..
Our prophet didn't preach secularism but sharia to inhance human rights, social cohesion and moral upstanding..

Why do I, as a muslim have to believe in western propaganda and strategy on muslim lands when our educated Muslim fellahs can achieve the same under Sharia?
The western world should put aside their presumptuous attitude along with their agenda, and leave muslims alone with their religion..
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
Well, 'Islamist' does have a common meaning nowadays and is short for 'motivated by the religion of Islam' - as this is how it is used.

If you note the author doesn't use the term but explains why this Egyptian revolution is not Islamic (i.e. motivated by religion) in the way that Iranian revolution is considered today (it is called the 'Islamic revolution' by Iranians after all - but students of history will note that its roots were secular).

Let's not get hung up on the word 'Islamist' or 'Islamic' in this case - as he's really contrasting this Egyptian revolution with the 'Islamic revolution' in Iran.

I think he makes very valid points.

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Iran’s revolution was not meant to be Islamic. Many different types of people participated in that revolution to change the autocracy to democracy! They certainly were not looking for Islamic autocracy! Different parties, nationalists, communists and islamists done it together. At the end islamists take the power in their hands, killed and executed lots of other parties members and you can see the result now after 30 years!

Same might happen to Egypt and Tunisia. Well it is good, cause after 30 years they don’t wanna be muslims anymore either! :D
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
^Coincidentally, I was reading about Ali Shariati last weekend. He died in 1977 (before the Iranian revolution in 79) but is presented as a major ideological influence on the revolution.

Mel, do you agree with the observation the author makes about the last Shah's stance towards Islam?:
While Iran’s Shah campaigned against Islam and sought to erase its role in Persian history and culture, Mubarak never attacked Islam with anywhere near the same vehemence. He’s far more concerned with preserving power for himself than he is with rewriting Egyptian history (unfortunately for his prospects of remaining in power, he’s concerned with himself–and not even for Egypt’s advancement, unlike other Third World dictatorships, which do emphasize and achieve real economic growth).


Do you think this is partly why you also have a problem with Islam?


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Ali Shariati was an author like lots of others; he did not have MAJOR influence on revolution.

Shah’s father was much more nationalist than shah. Shah and his father promoting Persian culture, but they were both muslims!

And how is this related to me and Islam?!
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^Oh, I was just testing to see if it was a coincidence that what the Shah's attitude towards Islam in the quote above seemed to match the views you've posted on the subject, and especially as your posts in regards to the Shah's rule have been largely complimentary.

I was just asking.

On Shariati, the accounts of his views and influence did explictly say he had a major influence. I don't know either way - but he was presented as a non-cleric and in the context of the Iranian revolution not initially being 'Islamic' in nature. Given we agree on this point.. whether Shariati was a 'major influence' or 'one of many' doesn't really matter.

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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
shafique wrote:If you note the author doesn't use the term but explains why this Egyptian revolution is not Islamic (i.e. motivated by religion)

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:D Ah Shafique lets get into some philosophy...
How do they define if something is not islamic or islamic? Crikey..If citizens are looking for a better living standards that is islamic!..Objections to their secular leaders on the grounds that they forget their nation sovereignty and prefer to surrender to their enemies is islamic!..Having a secular lider who only protects secular state to please the orders received from non-islamic states is very unislamic while 85 percent of people are religious, practising islam with surahs from quran hanging on the walls of the govermental Institutions is very islamic!...
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
Nope Berrin, I'm not biting.

I know where you are coming from - and I'd be happy for us to debate the point in the Religion forum (and I think I would agree with your line of argument).

However, here we are talking about a contrast between the Egyptian revolution going on and what is termed an 'Islamic revolution' (rightly or wrongly).

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Re: Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Jan 31, 2011
All I wanted to say is that if you analyse the article from a muslim's point of you it is incoherent in itself..
But if you read it as if it is addressing a non-muslim audience/nation who fears islam, it all seems to make sense and justified....
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Feb 01, 2011
This is the way a zionist thinks or wishes to be..
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Feb 01, 2011
gadfly27 wrote:This is the way a zionist thinks or wishes to be..


Long live the zionists, soon the antichrist (our messiah), will enslave you !
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Re: Egypt: Revolution Not 'Islamist' Feb 03, 2011
so what do you guys feel about the Egyptian revolution?
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Re: Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Feb 03, 2011
Berrin wrote:All I wanted to say is that if you analyse the article from a muslim's point of you it is incoherent in itself..
But if you read it as if it is addressing a non-muslim audience/nation who fears islam, it all seems to make sense and justified....


Bravo Berrin! So correct description of our double faced moderator. Why does It remind me the fifth column in Spanish civil war?
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Re: Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Feb 03, 2011
Berrin wrote:if it is addressing a non-muslim audience/nation who fears islam, it all seems to make sense and justified....


That is the intended audience, to others ( muslims and informed individuals ) its clear as day that the Egyptian revolt has nothing to do with Islam.
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Re: Egypt: Revolution not 'Islamist' Feb 03, 2011
Egypt: Three possible outcomes

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/egypt-thre ... -outcomes/

Essentially, Islamist takeover similar to Gaza, strong man dictator (Mubarak, Saddam Hussein) or civil war.
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