Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist?

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Arizoner Shooter - A terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
Huffington post asks a good question.
I can’t help but wonder why folks are so afraid to call the mass shooting in Tuscon, Arizona an act of terrorism.
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So, what’s the difference between a mass political killing in Tuscon, Arizona and the same in Any Town, Middle East?



Why Aren’t We Calling Loughner a Terrorist?
by Charles D. Ellison (Huffington Post)

I can’t help but wonder why folks are so afraid to call the mass shooting in Tuscon, Arizona an act of terrorism.

The fear of the “T” word seems almost palpable in describing the gruesome events that took place this past Saturday. There is little explanation or reasoning for the omission, except that it’s very obvious what most Americans won’t call 22-year-old Jared Loughner. It goes without saying that the man is deranged. Fairly obvious that he’s unstable. But, tell us what we don’t know. Get straight to the core of the matter here. Let’s not fool ourselves and everyone else struggling to make sense out of it. Loughner is a terrorist, clearly fit within the strictest definition of the term.

While other top public officials tip-toed around it, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton almost went there, just short of dropping the “T” word. Instead, she chose “extremist.” While clearly holding back, it was one of the braver rhetorical stands we’ve heard in the past few days. Her comparison to the Middle Eastern “extremism” we routinely see plastered on global headlines is sure to raise a few brows and ‘how-dare-she’ remarks back home, especially since she said it while in Abu Dhabi.

But, let’s keep it real. The “T” term gets quickly applied within every second a suicide bomber blasts a busy street corner in Pakistan or when a crowded European commuter train is vaporized. We find some sort of geopolitical logic, however violent and horrific, to explain the indiscriminate mass killings of innocent civilians in various corners of the world. Even before responsibility is investigated or admitted by some obscure political fringe group wanting their spot blown, we’re already using the “T” word.
When a “crazy” white guy with a gun, wound up on polarized talking points and manifestos, indiscriminately kills innocent Americans in broad daylight, it takes several days in the aftermath before the larger public will even accept a hint of premeditation. Typically, the collective American psyche will initially trivialize the event by calling the perpetrator “deranged” or “mentally unstable.” The social response script is fashioned to fake us into a false sense of security. It’s isolated, they say. Just one crazed nut with a gun.
That dude who flew his plane into an IRS building? Isolated. Or the cat who waited for, scoped, then killed three Pittsburgh police officers? Crazy. What about the man who shot at the Panama City school board then shot himself? Off the edge.

Brown skin man with bombs strapped to his torso? Oh, that’s a terrorist.

Yet, in every instance, the “isolated” or “crazed” Americans each expressed some form of political reasoning for committing the act. Loughner, whose elaborate musings are outlined in lengthy Internet entries on MySpace and YouTube, was apparently hanging with anti-government dudes who probably have posters of Sarah Palin in a bikini brandishing a semi-automatic prior to the attack.

So, what’s the difference between a mass political killing in Tuscon, Arizona and the same in Any Town, Middle East?

Part of it is that we don’t want to accept that Americans are actually capable of politically motivated destruction. Clearly, the level of invective in our political discourse has reached a feverish pitch in recent years, matched by the worrisome lack of civility and old fashioned decency we use to pride ourselves on. It’s another conversation, but we’re much meaner, much more hyper-competitive and much less compassionate — some can fairly argue with that assessment, especially after 400 years of slavery and institutional racism peppered by mass lynching. We don’t want to admit it, but we all talk about how foul our social attitude is these days.

But, as we enter this 150th Anniversary of the Civil War, we are afraid to accept the comparisons. While the North vs. South battle lines disappeared with every history lesson, we can see a scary repeat of similar passions which led to the first cannon shots at Fort Sumter in 1861. Congress, in the 1850s, was also a scene of unadulterated political mayhem, Members beating each other senseless on the House floor and Senators drawing guns on one another. While it’s not that bad today, we are seeing an alarming deficit of decorum in the House chamber which, if left unchecked, could lead to unbridled outbursts of ideology we’ll end up regretting one day.

We’d be irresponsible not to reassess our national discourse. There are serious consequences to the ideological bubbles we’ve created while we self-isolate ourselves in Facebook profiles and Twitter accounts, interacting only with those we agree with.

Disagreeing is our national legacy and right, but how we disagree is a national discipline we should embrace before Tuscon becomes the norm rather than the exception.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-d ... 06729.html

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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
Not a terrorist, just a deranged individual IMO
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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
LOL just the fact your making excuses for him speaks volumes !
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desertdudeshj wrote:LOL just the fact your making excuses for him speaks volumes !


My opinion, I'm not making excuses for anyone. he's a mass murderer, why would I make excuses for him? Trying to destort my post again. He was deranged but not a terrorist.
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Ever heard the saying call a spade a spade, eh ? ;)
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desertdudeshj wrote:Ever heard the saying call a spade a spade, eh ? ;)


Sorry, please elaborate. Please don't speak in riddles, let everyone know exactly what you mean and then I will answer you. Are you now suggesting I'm a mass murderer or a terrorist?
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Sometimes BM, that extremely vivid imagination of yours really doesn't do you any favours !
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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
:)

I think the problem is that perhaps the article is too long, perhaps?

How about this extract:

Get straight to the core of the matter here.

Let’s not fool ourselves and everyone else struggling to make sense out of it.

Loughner is a terrorist, clearly fit within the strictest definition of the term.


Pretty plain, and to the point.

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Sometimes BM, that extremely vivid imagination of yours really doesn't do you any favours !


Please explain what you mean by calling a spade a spade.

-- Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:28 pm --

shafique wrote::)

I think the problem is that perhaps the article is too long, perhaps?

How about this extract:

Get straight to the core of the matter here.

Let’s not fool ourselves and everyone else struggling to make sense out of it.

Loughner is a terrorist, clearly fit within the strictest definition of the term.


Pretty plain, and to the point.

Cheers,
Shafique


Too long? LOL Yes it's much too long for a simpleton like me, obviously I haven't had the priviledged upbringing and education you have. LOL
Just because you've had the time to troll the internet for another of your cut and paste specials, it doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I don't believe he was a terrorist, just someone who's deranged, and there are more around than we care to admit.
I see why you would want to claim this tho, it makes your figures about Islamic terrorists look better. You must think we're all as daft on this forum as DDS!
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Bah ! forget it the moment is lost now LOL
But if you insist and just so that you don't go off on another paranoia fueled trip.

Spade=Terroist=Loughner.

On a side note, seriously where did you get the slightest hint that "calling a spade a spade" was somehow implying your a mass murderer etc etc But thanks for the laugh anyway :D
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I don't believe he was a terrorist, just someone who's deranged, and there are more around than we care to admit.

Do you think a deranged person would specifically aim for a political figure?
I mean he would if he was a target for that particular job but otherwise?
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desertdudeshj wrote:Bah ! forget it the moment is lost now LOL
But if you insist and just so that you don't go off on another paranoia fueled trip.

Spade=Terroist=Loughner.

On a side note, seriously where did you get the slightest hint that "calling a spade a spade" was somehow implying your a mass murderer etc etc But thanks for the laugh anyway :D


Ah I see, it must have been lost in translation. When you immediatly replied to my post saying I didn't think he was a terrorist, with lets call a spade a spade. As you've called me everything including a whore, I thought you were now saying I was a terrorist. What's that strange expression you use? My bad! (BTW you need to sort that out, that isn't at all western)
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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
Yeah google translate sucks, can never get my posts right from Dari to English. Damn you google translate !
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BTW does Geordie to Enger'lish work well on it ? I can see your having some trouble aswell :D
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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
LOL

Typically, the collective American psyche will initially trivialize the event by calling the perpetrator “deranged” or “mentally unstable.”

The social response script is fashioned to fake us into a false sense of security. It’s isolated, they say. Just one crazed nut with a gun.


That dude who flew his plane into an IRS building? Isolated.

Or the cat who waited for, scoped, then killed three Pittsburgh police officers? Crazy.

What about the man who shot at the Panama City school board then shot himself? Off the edge.

Brown skin man with bombs strapped to his torso? Oh, that’s a terrorist.


Pretty spot on - but he shouldn't have just limited it to 'collective American psyche'!

BM - you're not just pulling our legs and reading the article and then pretending to play along to the script, are you? Now, that would be subtle and indeed quite sly.

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Hey, if the cap fits, wear it!
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Re: Arizoner Shooter - A Terrorist? Jan 12, 2011
Yes indeed !
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Which one were you again? Rag Tag or Bobtail? Oh yes it was Tag wasn't it! Is there a smilie for smirk?
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