Dubai Forums Dubai Discussions Dubai Politics Talk

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/10/plane-crash-in-iran-kills-77/

Another plane crash, while sanctions hinder purchasing new aircrafts...

Sad news.

It would be doubly tragic if the sanctions did contribute to the crash - the article says that spare parts are restricted too under them. The responsibility is with the airline though - if it isn't safe they shouldn't fly.

But given the weather conditions described - it may be 'just' a tragic accident.

Cheers,
Shafique

Some Iran air Planes had been banned from flyingto Europe because of safety, and this one was among them.

Besides if they had new planes, they wouldnt have to use these old crappy ones.

It's totally unfair to put sanctions on purchasing aircrafts for civil use.

Again, injustice at it's best. Just like how they force the sanctions on the banks to stop dealing with Iranian merchants, its extremley unfair and only hurt people who has nothing to do with politics. I have distant relatives here who got badly affected due to these sanctions with regard to the banking issues.

On the other hand MANY American companies are trading behind the curtains for Iranian-made goodies.
Let alone the fact that the West supported Khomaini's regime politically in order to demolish the monarchy.

symmetric wrote:It's totally unfair to put sanctions on purchasing aircrafts for civil use.

Again, injustice at it's best. Just like how they force the sanctions on the banks to stop dealing with Iranian merchants, its extremley unfair and only hurt people who has nothing to do with politics. I have distant relatives here who got badly affected due to these sanctions with regard to the banking issues.

On the other hand MANY American companies are trading behind the curtains for Iranian-made goodies.
Let alone the fact that the West supported Khomaini's regime politically in order to demolish the monarchy.

Those evil westeners again! Nothing to do with Iran's government at all.

symmetric wrote:It's totally unfair to put sanctions on purchasing aircrafts for civil use.

Again, injustice at it's best. Just like how they force the sanctions on the banks to stop dealing with Iranian merchants, its extremley unfair and only hurt people who has nothing to do with politics. I have distant relatives here who got badly affected due to these sanctions with regard to the banking issues.

On the other hand MANY American companies are trading behind the curtains for Iranian-made goodies.
Let alone the fact that the West supported Khomaini's regime politically in order to demolish the monarchy.

American companies - not the American government Sym.

Iran is a tremendous threat to the region and does not have many, if any, allies in the region. America, along with other countries that agree with the sanctions, are trying to put pressure on Iran to find out exactly what they have. If Iran isn't willing to prove their claims that the development in the country is not intended for war, then they have to deal with the consequences. Unfortunately Iranian leaders aren't thinking about the people nor the good of their country.

Bora Bora wrote:

symmetric wrote:It's totally unfair to put sanctions on purchasing aircrafts for civil use.

Again, injustice at it's best. Just like how they force the sanctions on the banks to stop dealing with Iranian merchants, its extremley unfair and only hurt people who has nothing to do with politics. I have distant relatives here who got badly affected due to these sanctions with regard to the banking issues.

On the other hand MANY American companies are trading behind the curtains for Iranian-made goodies.
Let alone the fact that the West supported Khomaini's regime politically in order to demolish the monarchy.

American companies - not the American government Sym.

Iran is a tremendous threat to the region and does not have many, if any, allies in the region. America, along with other countries that agree with the sanctions, are trying to put pressure on Iran to find out exactly what they have. If Iran isn't willing to prove their claims that the development in the country is not intended for war, then they have to deal with the consequences. Unfortunately Iranian leaders aren't thinking about the people nor the good of their country.

I totally agree with you that this regime is a threat, but more towards the Iranian nation than the region.
For this regime to keep on standing, it has to secure itself from the inside, and thats conducted by brutal treatment towards the nation to keep them threatned and just obey. Most of the damage is caused inside Iran rather than outside Iran.

The West supported Khomaini in several aspects specially the media with all the propaganda against the monarchy to demolish it. Perhaps, you're not much aware of these facts as you're not a native of the region, but we know it very well here. Some events that happened in the past don't get much spot light nowdays for others to know about them.

The best way for the West to intrude is to support the opposition parties inside and outside Iran and specially feeding them via media. The best way is to demolish it from the inside.

However in what terms will the sanctions on aircraft (for civil usage) will affect the dictatorship regime in Iran?

I totally agree with you that this regime is a threat, but more towards the Iranian nation than the region.

In democracies the way to suppress a nation is through military dictatorship and laws that in support of this..., I don't know what you call that within a shariah country but what you see in Iran is equivelant of that dictatorship using religion(sharia) which is not real islam of course.. The same can be said about saudi arabia and other islamic nations where people are supressed through decisions and force that are against human rights..If you ask me the whole of ME is unislamic/undemocratic one way of the other..

Berrin wrote:If you ask me the whole of ME is unislamic/undemocratic one way of the other..

I agree.
Moreover those ME countries that tend to be liberal or secular are still considered to be autocratic.

Is there a way to please everybody ?

Personally I think it's all government's fault. They stick to nuclear in price of life of many people! just ridiculous!

Moreover those ME countries that tend to be liberal or secular are still considered to be autocratic.

True,it takes time to raise education/economic standards therefore have full public awareness to demand right actions...
However if you ask my opinion those islam nations which already adopted shariah as a regime has a higher chance of success in future with further human progress and development than of those who adopted liberal/secular regimes..

i.e. muslim ladies who cover their heads in secular regimes have no chance of real success outside..
But shariah nations which enforce headcover, protects the right of those ladies as a whole where they are likely to be disriminated one against the other at some level of their career..i.e. it would make no difference if you're applying to work for a foreign multination company, or just a local shop in your street...You simply cannot discriminate against head cover as they would all look similar...
This way, be it a muslim,jew,christian, or just an atheist is being protected as a whole...

-- Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:32 pm --

They stick to nuclear in price of life of many people! just ridiculous!

There is more to it than that! If one nation can have nuclear then why not others ?
What makes Iran more dangourous than say Israel..On international arena..I'd say nothing...

Due to colonisations of muslim nations they are not allowed to have access to nuclear technology incase of retaliation against suppression and control of them, those that have nuclear plants in the past had given out to many concessions to the colonising nations that are these days working totally agaist them despite..ie. pakistan, iran..

Bora Bora wrote:If Iran isn't willing to prove their claims that the development in the country is not intended for war, then they have to deal with the consequences. Unfortunately Iranian leaders aren't thinking about the people nor the good of their country.

How nice! Stop... I have heard it once, twice, thrice... Pardon it was about Iraq recently, wasn't it? WMD... CIA... No?

It's definitely so sad that air companies are not able to buy brand-new aircrafts and so put lives of passsengers at risk but it's how new Cold War works. My condolence.

Red Chief wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:If Iran isn't willing to prove their claims that the development in the country is not intended for war, then they have to deal with the consequences. Unfortunately Iranian leaders aren't thinking about the people nor the good of their country.

How nice! Stop... I have heard it once, twice, thrice... Pardon it was about Iraq recently, wasn't it? WMD... CIA... No?

It's definitely so sad that air companies are not able to buy brand-new aircrafts and so put lives of passsengers at risk but it's how new Cold War works. My condolence.

Iran admits to nuclear development - the question is: how far are they with it??

Iran has several private and public airline companies in operation. The oldest is Iran Air. As of June 2009, Iranian planes fly 45 international flight routes. Most of the fleet of Iranian airlines today consist of old Boeings and used or leased Airbus and Russian manufactured aircraft such as Tupolevs. Sanctions from the United States prevents Iran from purchasing most new western made aircraft to update its rapidly aging fleet. Iran's own poor safety regulations and mismanagement on behalf of the Iran civil aviation authorities has also been a known factor to blame. This has resulted in a series of ongoing disasters and incidents. Iran has however initiated manufacturing aircraft on its own such as the IR.AN-140. A number of 108 airliners have been added to the fleet of Iranian passenger planes during the last five years. With a population of 70 million, Iran needs to have 6,300 airplanes while it does not possess more than nine aircraft for every one million individuals.

You have to give them credit for the initiative.

Unfortunately the US is taking the lead on Iran. But there are plenty of countries (including Russia?) who support the US - not saying its right or wrong.

As Sym said, Iran is Iran's worst enemy and will end up doing itself in rather before taking steps (bending to requests/demands) that will improve the country as well as regional relations. It's not just Israel that fears what Iran can do, it goes further.

As Sym said, Iran is Iran's worst enemy and will end up doing itself in rather before taking steps (bending to requests/demands) that will improve the country as well as regional relations. It's not just Israel that fears what Iran can do, it goes further.

westeners fear of Iran and islamic nations go no further than the fear israel creates by PR campaigns to smear Arabs and cover their own wrong doings..

In actual terms, No islamic nation fears Iran at all, the way gulf countries and saudi America :LOL: fears iran is similar to the attitude of Egyptians towards palestinian arabs due to those silly "mandated" peace accords they made with colonisers and Israel "once upon a time" when they were very weak...