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Flying Dutchman wrote:

kanelli wrote:Definitely, it was one of the most racist places I have ever lived.

Why?

Because certain nationalities think it's their right to treat others like something they'd scrape off their shoe. That's across the board.

Chocoholic wrote:

Flying Dutchman wrote:

kanelli wrote:Definitely, it was one of the most racist places I have ever lived.

Why?

Because certain nationalities think it's their right to treat others like something they'd scrape off their shoe. That's across the board.

Which nationalities?

Seriously? Aren't you living in Dubai?

Let's see. If we check news reporting and letters to the editor of newspapers - a person's race, nationality, religion are included when not relevant to the topic. Ads for housing, jobs, spouses etc. state race, religion, ethnicity that is preferred. People are paid according to their passports so people doing the same job will be paid more or less depending on where they come from. However, personally in social circles there were many cases where race, ethnicity, religion were not huge issues. For example, I was warmly welcomed into a social group of Iranian ladies. I had great friendship circles created by meeting those in my neighbourhood and those participating in the same activities as me, especially with baby matters. Of course, there are also DFers too Still, there were flashes of racism in interactions at times.

At the moment I can fully admit that I have a bit of a bias against Singaporean Chinese landlords. I'm trying to come back to my senses about that.

kanelli wrote:Seriously? Aren't you living in Dubai?

Let's see. If we check news reporting and letters to the editor of newspapers - a person's race, nationality, religion are included when not relevant to the topic. Ads for housing, jobs, spouses etc. state race, religion, ethnicity that is preferred. People are paid according to their passports so people doing the same job will be paid more or less depending on where they come from. However, personally in social circles there were many cases where race, ethnicity, religion were not huge issues. For example, I was warmly welcomed into a social group of Iranian ladies. I had great friendship circles created by meeting those in my neighbourhood and those participating in the same activities as me, especially with baby matters. Of course, there are also DFers too Still, there were flashes of racism in interactions at times.

At the moment I can fully admit that I have a bit of a bias against Singaporean Chinese landlords. I'm trying to come back to my senses about that.

I imagine the "seriously' comment relates to my question, yet your "post" does not answer the question (except for the bit about your bias against Singaporean Chinese).

Yes it is a serious question about a post stating "certain nationalities" and so I asked "which ones'? (the question says nothing about whether or not I may or may not I know that racisms exists in the UAE).

Ambassador wrote:

kanelli wrote:Seriously? Aren't you living in Dubai?

Let's see. If we check news reporting and letters to the editor of newspapers - a person's race, nationality, religion are included when not relevant to the topic. Ads for housing, jobs, spouses etc. state race, religion, ethnicity that is preferred. People are paid according to their passports so people doing the same job will be paid more or less depending on where they come from. However, personally in social circles there were many cases where race, ethnicity, religion were not huge issues. For example, I was warmly welcomed into a social group of Iranian ladies. I had great friendship circles created by meeting those in my neighbourhood and those participating in the same activities as me, especially with baby matters. Of course, there are also DFers too Still, there were flashes of racism in interactions at times.

At the moment I can fully admit that I have a bit of a bias against Singaporean Chinese landlords. I'm trying to come back to my senses about that.

I imagine the "seriously' comment relates to my question, yet your "post" does not answer the question (except for the bit about your bias against Singaporean Chinese).

Yes it is a serious question about a post stating "certain nationalities" and so I asked "which ones'? (the question says nothing about whether or not I may or may not I know that racisms exists in the UAE).

Which ones?

Anyone who is not Emirati.



Knight

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No Ambassador, my comment was written directly after FD's, but other's posts came in between. "Seriously" means, if you live in Dubai how can you seriously not know how racist it is.

Don't confuse my post with Chocs - you asked her a question, not me.

Dubai Knight wrote:

Ambassador wrote:

kanelli wrote:Seriously? Aren't you living in Dubai?

Let's see. If we check news reporting and letters to the editor of newspapers - a person's race, nationality, religion are included when not relevant to the topic. Ads for housing, jobs, spouses etc. state race, religion, ethnicity that is preferred. People are paid according to their passports so people doing the same job will be paid more or less depending on where they come from. However, personally in social circles there were many cases where race, ethnicity, religion were not huge issues. For example, I was warmly welcomed into a social group of Iranian ladies. I had great friendship circles created by meeting those in my neighbourhood and those participating in the same activities as me, especially with baby matters. Of course, there are also DFers too Still, there were flashes of racism in interactions at times.

At the moment I can fully admit that I have a bit of a bias against Singaporean Chinese landlords. I'm trying to come back to my senses about that.

I imagine the "seriously' comment relates to my question, yet your "post" does not answer the question (except for the bit about your bias against Singaporean Chinese).

Yes it is a serious question about a post stating "certain nationalities" and so I asked "which ones'? (the question says nothing about whether or not I may or may not I know that racisms exists in the UAE).

Which ones?

Anyone who is not Emirati.



Your answer makes no sense. did you read the question?
Knight

-- Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:07 pm --

kanelli wrote:No Ambassador, my comment was written directly after FD's, but other's posts came in between. "Seriously" means, if you live in Dubai how can you seriously not know how racist it is.

Don't confuse my post with Chocs - you asked her a question, not me.

fair enough. I thought you were 'answering" the question...

kanelli wrote:No Ambassador, my comment was written directly after FD's, but other's posts came in between. "Seriously" means, if you live in Dubai how can you seriously not know how racist it is.

I was just wondering about your experiences of racism.

Well, benefits in Dubai for me were that I got paid more than my more experienced coworkers (though I did have a higher degree). I got better service in some stores, however, I was often quoted inflated prices that those of other profiles did not get quoted.

kanelli wrote: I got better service in some stores

Yes, I have the same experience. Perhaps its skin color, perhaps dress. Either way, I think they see money. On the other hand, in other shopes totally no service is given.

Show me someone who isn't racist in some way. They don't exist.

kanelli wrote:Of course we are all racist to some degree. Some people seriously think that because they are non-white that they aren't racist, which I find quite funny.

Are you some kind of an expert on the subject? Or is this just a "wise sage" observation?

Racism may be of varying degrees; the racism of the UAE is not as bad as that in the UK. At least going by the Panorama prgram under discussion here. Nothing of this sort, or this extent, would ever happen to a foreigner in Dubai, as compared to what this couple in Bristol had to go through.

Zonker, did you have a bad experience in England or something? I don't think it could have been all that bad as I remember you refering to having some white women.

Why are you singling my country out as being racist? We are no different from a host of other European countries, like France, Denmark and Germany. That is an old Panorama report, I wouldn't take any notice of that, they love to sensationalise, look what they did to our World Cup bid. To be honest I would think twice about moving to the type of estate shown in that report. I wonder why that Asian couple didn't do more research before moving there? It was obviously a sink estate. This is not a fair assessment of life in Britain for Asians. One couples bad experience, why don't you balance it with an Asian family's experience of life in Southall, surrounded by all their family, their own shops, cinemas, banks, travel agents and all supported by our welfare state? I bet they would tell a different tale.

I only watched a bit of the report, but noted it refered to the 'P' word. Why is it that Pakistanis object to being called Pakis? I never did get that. I don't object to being called a Brit (although I prefer English or whatever the shortened version of that would be), I don't think Austalians mind Aussie, or Scots, jocks. So what's the problem with Paki?

On a different note, yesterday I went to see one of my friends in Durham, he is a prison warder in Franklin Prison. He was telling me that 3/4's of the prison population in Durham are foreigners. He reckoned the worst were the Romanian Gypsies and the Jamaicans. You've no idea where these people hide their mobiles!

BM, you are a darling!
I should like to meet you sometime...in Dubai!
We'll have a blast!
And yes, the Brit women are alright, its the louts that I dont like.......
And I would agree with what you say about France and Germany etc.

That Panorama program is from 2009, and its not even 2011 yet!

BTW.....were you able to fix your BMW?

A very Happy 2011 to you.

Zonker, thank you, I think. Not quite the reaction I expected but i will take your good wishes in good faith

Yes, lets have a meet up in Dubai, I'm sure I could keep you entertained over a glass or two of Chardonnay! May be you don't drink? In that case I'm sure I could keep you entertained over a latte or two, BM takes her coffee, like she likes her men, strong (I nearly said and black but that would be racist!)

You are not the only one, zonker, who doesn't like the British louts! One of the reasons I chose Dubai for my holiday retreat. The sight of lily white men in Union Jack shorts is a total turn off for BM! Errrr.

Regarding my BM, DDS gave me dodgy advice Zonker! He said it was the colour that was making it play up! BM invested in a respray and d'yer know what? It's no better, it's still missin in second. I took it to my local garage and they stuck in on a computer thingy. They couldn't find the problem, so i will have to wait to see what develops. BM has taken it for a spin the last couple of days, driving at 90mph over the trans Pennine route in thick fog wakes you up Zonker I can tell you! Wow, once I get past second, it flies! BM went to admire herself in the little vanity mirror behind the sunvisor (as ladies do) and pulled the bloody thing off. I'm gonna have to invest in a new BM Zonker, bits are falling off right left and centre. I need one with plenty of leg room

zonker wrote:

kanelli wrote:Of course we are all racist to some degree. Some people seriously think that because they are non-white that they aren't racist, which I find quite funny.

Are you some kind of an expert on the subject? Or is this just a "wise sage" observation?

Racism may be of varying degrees; the racism of the UAE is not as bad as that in the UK. At least going by the Panorama prgram under discussion here. Nothing of this sort, or this extent, would ever happen to a foreigner in Dubai, as compared to what this couple in Bristol had to go through.

Apparently you are the expert on racism zonker

I've lived in four different countries from North America, Northern Europe, Middle East and Asia and Dubai is till the most racist place that I have lived, from my own personal experience. Looking at what one couple in Bristol in some documentary went through would not make me say that the UK is more racist.

BM: Of course I drink, and I would take you up on that Chardonnay! And black coffee afterwards! Unfortunately, I am not black, just light Mediterranian tan! Hope I will be able to make up in some other department, and will not disappoint you.
Now, you be very careful in admiring yourself in that mirror behind the visor in a moving car; i.e if you are the driver. Okay?
And that was definitely dodgy advice, no amount of respraying is going to fix a transmission problem on your BMW. Yes, a new one is what you want, with plenty of leg room!

I'm sure you wouldn't disappoint Zonker Happy New Year to you x

I agree with Kanelli, the UAE is certainly one of, if not the most racist places I've ever been to. It's rife amongst all nationalities, as is reverse racism.

Well, the few years that I spent in the UAE, I did not see any racism. I did see a lot of injustice being done to vulnerable sectons of society, which I expected from a rather illiterate people that had suddenly come into new (oil) wealth, knowing fully well that non of the expatriates had any rights, some more than the others.

zonker wrote:Well, the few years that I spent in the UAE, I did not see any racism. I did see a lot of injustice being done to vulnerable sectons of society, which I expected from a rather illiterate people that had suddenly come into new (oil) wealth, knowing fully well that non of the expatriates had any rights, some more than the others.

Your implications are not corroborated with information in circulation

zonker wrote:Well, the few years that I spent in the UAE, I did not see any racism. I did see a lot of injustice being done to vulnerable sectons of society, which I expected from a rather illiterate people that had suddenly come into new (oil) wealth, knowing fully well that non of the expatriates had any rights, some more than the others.

So you spent a few years in the UAE and did not see any racism. You must have been living buried in a sand dune or something!

Oh well talk about comaprison.... Talk to indians about bad driving they will tell you it is VERY good ....... compared to India. Dubai is mosaic of cultures making it harder for anybody to compare rascism , driving, discrimination at standard level.

@zubber: UAE has a large expatriate population, that outnumbers the locals.But the expatriates do not have ANY rights, so you are dependent on what your own country can do for you if you get into trouble; so that depends upon where you are from. If you happen to be from the third world, then you turn to god for help. From the first world, the US is top-dog, and then follow the others. The Arabs and in particular the UAE locals simply worship the whites, so I have seen really unqualified white Westerners drawing salaries that simply boggles the mind! I saw a guy that was in-charge of the Laundry in a big Hospital who was drawing more salary than many of the Consultant Physicians and Surgeons! He was a white American, covered in tattoos. And thats the heirarchy and the order of things; on top is the Sheikh, then the local, then the N. American white, then the European White, and so on. That was how it was at least up until I was there some years ago. It may have changed somewhat now, I dont know.

@Kanelli: You appear to be sitting on top of a sand dune, observing your realm, and passing judgements!
I lived in more than intimate contact with the society, and had the opportunity to observe everything first hand, almost under a microscope!

-- Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:12 am --

BTW, I have absolutely no issues with countries. Its just racism in any form that I dont like! I dont think that any country in modern times practices racism as a policy (?). So I would not name a country and call it racist.
I posted the Panorama program here because Panorama is world famous, by the BBC, and this just happened to be a very graphic representation of Racism. Thats all. I did not mean to label all Brits as racists.
Which they certainly are not
Indeed, upto a point I would agree that Britain is being messed up by too much immigrants of the wrong kind landing there.

Zonker, I am so pleased that you aknowledge that not all Brits are racist. BM had a friend who has a friend that is black

-- Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:45 am --

I'm only joking Zonker! BM prefers a light Med tan to a lilly white Brit anyday

Observing my realm? Good grief.

-- Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:47 am --

sniper420 wrote:Oh well talk about comaprison.... Talk to indians about bad driving they will tell you it is VERY good ....... compared to India. Dubai is mosaic of cultures making it harder for anybody to compare rascism , driving, discrimination at standard level.

Snipey! Where have you been!

BM, warmest feelings for you on this first day of the brand New Year!
I was also checking up on why BMWs have transmission problems, for your sake. But I think we are drifting off topic!
Britain has given so much to this planet of which they can be proud, so it would be churlish of me to label all Brits as racists!

zonker wrote:BM, warmest feelings for you on this first day of the brand New Year!
I was also checking up on why BMWs have transmission problems, for your sake. But I think we are drifting off topic!
Britain has given so much to this planet of which they can be proud, so it would be churlish of me to label all Brits as racists!

Warmest feelings to you too Zonker! I fear my BM problems stem from the gear box!

Yes, we Brits can be proud! We march in, leave an impression then F. Off and leave everyone else to pick up the pieces

Seems like a few "experts" here on racism but none have stated how it is that Dubai/UAE is a racist country.

Anyone? others will just follow (or confirm/agree, etc...as is the norm).