kanelli wrote: Other societies should not be forced to change more quickly than they are ready for
The universal declaration of human rights by the UN is BS then?
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kanelli wrote: Other societies should not be forced to change more quickly than they are ready for
The death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights. It is the premeditated and cold-blooded killing of a human being by the state. This cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment is done in the name of justice.
It violates the right to life as proclaimed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Amnesty International opposes the death penalty in all cases without exception regardless of the nature of the crime, the characteristics of the offender, or the method used by the state to kill the prisoner.
shafique wrote:LOL - eh that's a new one on me. The Quran I have doesn't say it is ok for me to kill my kids if they disobey me.
Mel - as for ancient pre-Islamic Persia - they had some inventive ways of executing people (please excuse going slightly off topic):Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death. The name comes from the Greek word skaphe, meaning "scooped (or hollowed) out".
The naked person was firmly fastened within a face-to-face pair of narrow rowing boats (or a hollowed-out tree trunk), with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body to attract insects to the exposed appendages. He or she would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his or her exposed and increasingly gangrenous flesh. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that dehydration or starvation did not provide him or her with the release of death. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism
Flying Dutchman wrote:kanelli wrote: Other societies should not be forced to change more quickly than they are ready for
The universal declaration of human rights by the UN is BS then?
kanelli wrote:Flying Dutchman wrote:kanelli wrote: Other societies should not be forced to change more quickly than they are ready for
The universal declaration of human rights by the UN is BS then?
Personally, I don't think it is BS, but plenty of countries, including Western and non-Islamic ones don't follow the UN declaration of human rights.
shafique wrote:^Yes Mel - as I said it was off topic - but I would classify scaphism as a punishment, and I'd say it is worse than stoning as a means of execution! Are you sure that the Persians didn't chop off hands? What was the punishment for persistent theives (serious question)?
Cheers,
Shafique
event horizon wrote:Indeed. If you don't honor your parents, turn rebellious or convert to another religion, your parents may have a right to kill you - it's all in the Koran, unfortunately.
melika969 wrote:shafique wrote:What was the punishment for persistent theives (serious question)?
prison!
which u can not find in islamic rules! because they used to live in tents and they didnt have prison! they just could kill or lash!
that s the super funny part of islamic punishments!
And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers - of a lesser degree).
And in their footsteps, We sent 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2). (46) Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious disbelievers). (Quran 5:45-47)
herve wrote:You can debate all day and turn around interpretations of whos done it before, or wher it comes from, fact is that it is an Iranian court , today, and not 2,000 years ago, who ordered this barbaric judgment.
kanelli wrote:Like how female genital mutilation is not according to Islam
shafique wrote:^There are cultural practices which do fall outside the tenets/teachings of Islam (which aren't forbidden or alternatively aren't a requirement either).
Muslim scholars rule female circumcision un-Islamic
November 24, 2006 - 11:31AM
A Egyptian conference of Muslim scholars from around the world declared female circumcision to be contrary to Islam and an attack on women, and called today for those who practice it to be punished.
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The innovations such as stoning, killing of apostates and blasphemers fall into the category of some Muslims believing these are Islamic injunctions when in fact they aren't.
dear oh dear...
Where is it in quran? I need some lecturing on this one.....
Koran 18:74 - So they departed; until, when they met a lad, he slew him. He said, 'What, hast thou slain a soul innocent, and that not to retaliate for a soul slain? Thou hast indeed done a horrible thing.'
Koran 18:80-81 - As for the lad, his parents were believers; and we were afraid he would impose on them insolence and unbelief;
so we desired that their Lord should give to them in exchange one better than he in purity, and nearer in tenderness.
Koran 18:80-81 - As for the lad, his parents were believers; and we were afraid he would impose on them insolence and unbelief;
so we desired that their Lord should give to them in exchange one better than he in purity, and nearer in tenderness.
The incident being referred to is an encounter Moses had.
And, more to the point, no where does it say a parent can kill a child for insolence. sigh.
event horizon wrote:I hear Moses didn't eat pork, do Muslims?The incident being referred to is an encounter Moses had.
But that example is in the Koran.
Why should Muslims ignore the pieces in the Koran - why were they even inserted in the Koran if Muslims are supposed to ignore them?
The story of Moses and Khidr reminds us that God is the Most Wise. For the frail human being life can hold great joy and laughter but sometimes we are beset by trials, tragedies, and calamities that seemingly make no sense. As believers we should believe that whatever God’s decree is it stems from His Supreme and Absolute Wisdom.
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