Apartheid In Israel: Should Be Opposed

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Apartheid in Israel: Should be opposed Dec 27, 2010
This piece from Haaretz today details the apartheid laws of Israel in some detail and says clearly that as in South Africa, well-meaning Israelis should oppose these laws.

There's no need to hype this damning article - it makes the comparison with South African Apartheid explicitly (and therefore backs up what the South Africans themselves have said about the situation in Israel proper and the lands under military occupation).

In such a country, just like in South Africa under apartheid, it is our right and our duty to challenge the legality of the law.

It's our duty to challenge Israel's law of segregation
In a country in which people live in fear, it is not only our right but our duty to offer a space of hope.

By Daphna Golan

Ilana Hammerman's articles challenge us to ask what the role of a citizen is in a country where the law is illegal. In this space known as Israel and the occupied territories, the space guarded by Israeli soldiers, there are six groups with different rights and different levels of freedom of movement, according to the law.

The first group consists of about 1.5 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, who have been under a prolonged closure for years, with only a small number of persons bearing special permits allowed to leave. The second group is the 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank, barred from entering Jerusalem or Israel proper unless they have special permits, which they can receive only in exceptional cases from the military authority known as the Civil Administration. The settlements, all of which are illegal by international law, have stolen 44 percent of West Bank land for Jewish settlers. They have been surrounded by patrol and access roads, on which Palestinians are not allowed to travel. The roads from one place to another inside the territories are also blocked by hundreds of checkpoints. The freedom of movement of almost all Palestinians in the West Bank is limited - to inside the West Bank only.


The third group is the quarter-million Palestinian residents of Jerusalem, who have blue identity cards and can travel in Israel, Jerusalem and parts of the West Bank, but whose travel outside of that space is controlled and restricted by Israel. Jerusalem Palestinians who leave the city to study abroad, or even in Bethlehem, lose their status of "permanent residents," which signifies their future temporary presence in the city.

The Palestinian citizens of Israel are the fourth group, and supposedly have the same freedom of movement as the fifth group: the Jewish citizens of Israel. Neither group is allowed to enter Gaza or the main cities in the West Bank. But the law allows Jews from the whole world and from Israel to settle in Israel and the territories, and to receive Israeli citizenship, while forbidding - with the endorsement of the Supreme Court - Palestinians from the first, second, third and fourth groups to intermarry and decide where to live together.

The sixth group is asylum seekers and migrant laborers, whose freedom of movement is restricted and who live in fear of being deported. While this group is new here, after 43 years of occupation, the regime that separates different groups of people with different rights is not temporary and resembles the apartheid regime.

In South Africa, too, the apartheid system was created thanks to detailed legislation that determined who had the right to vote, who had the right to live where, which persons had to carry passes to stay in white cities and which lived there by right, and which were considered strangers in the very cities in which they were born and grew up. Apartheid was not only a system of racial discrimination maintained by the military through the use of extreme force, but a system of discrimination regulated by legislation.

The State of Israel also emphasizes, both to its own citizens and the international community, that it is a state of law; the occupied territories are administered by a system of laws, orders and directives. The Supreme Court expanded its jurisdiction into the territories. Furthermore, Israel has signed most of the main international conventions on human rights (although with significant reservations ), and invests considerable efforts in maintaining the rule of law. Like in South Africa, separation and discrimination are enforced by the law.

Like Ilana Hammerman, I too refuse to obey illegal laws. In a country where spacious prisons were built under the protection of the law, in which people live in fear, it is not only our right but our duty to offer a space of hope. As long as we do not have agreed-upon borders, we are living in an occupying country that discriminates between the rights of different groups based on their ethnicity.

In such a country, just like in South Africa under apartheid, it is our right and our duty to challenge the legality of the law.


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... n-1.333144

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What aparthied ? What are you talking about ! All Arabs are terroists bent to wiping Israel off the map. Israel is only defending itself against these blood lusty heathens. How dare you call this form of self defence as Aparthied !!! Shame on you shaf !
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The first group consists of about 1.5 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, who have been under a prolonged closure for years, with only a small number of persons bearing special permits allowed to leave. The second group is the 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank, barred from entering Jerusalem or Israel proper unless they have special permits, which they can receive only in exceptional cases from the military authority known as the Civil Administration

The largest group are the Palestinian refugees, who are kept inside the camps by the Palestinian and Arab leadership.


The sixth group is asylum seekers and migrant laborers, whose freedom of movement is restricted and who live in fear of being deported.


Israel gives them shelter and food at least. They are not shot dead like in other Arab countries. I think its amazing those refugees travel through the ME and try to find shelter in Israel.


As a side note, since the security wall is built, practically no suicide bombings took place inside Israel. Well, maybe 1 or 2 in the southern desert. Those terrorists must have come in via Egypt.
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desertdudeshj wrote:What aparthied ? What are you talking about ! All Arabs are terroists bent to wiping Israel off the map. Israel is only defending itself against these blood lusty heathens. How dare you call this form of self defence as Aparthied !!! Shame on you shaf !


:oops:

Hey, don't shoot the messenger - I'm just quoting what the Israeli press is saying!
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(And don't you just love it when an 'expert' tries to 'correct' / spin what the Israeli press reports ;) - someone should tell him that migrants from neighbouring countries also went to Apartheid SA for work and the piece was about the Apartheid laws in Israel.)

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Re: Apartheid in Israel: Should be opposed Dec 28, 2010
I don't know why but this levels of discriminative rights continue even amongst the jews such as
between ashkenazi and sephardic ones..So it doesn't suprise me that there are various levels of freedoms against Palestinian arabs, regulated by law..

Housing is allotted as follows:

* Ashkenazi Jews who have lived in Israel for many years are given first choice.
* Second in line are Ashkenazi Jews from Europe — especially if they are married or marry an Israel-born Ashkenazi Jew.
* The next favored are Ashkenazi Jews from the U.S. — especially if they marry an Israeli born Ashkenazi.
* Sephardic Jews have the next choice of whatever housing is left.
* At the bottom of the list are Moslems, Druze and Christians.

Opportunities for employment follow the same pattern: Ashkenazi Jews get the choicest jobs, Sephardic Jews next, and Moslem, Druze and Christians fill the menial jobs with a great many left unemployed. Even through I was an Ashkenazi Jew from the U.S., I was placed lower on the list for housing because I married a Sephardic Jewess.


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http://jewsvszionists.wordpress.com/tag/apartheid/page/5/

In the Zionist/communist scheme of world domination, it is Israel’s role to continually stir up trouble in the Middle East
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So you agree, Israel’s role is continually stir up trouble in the Middle East...

well you know there are two ways to cause moral corruption in order to control an underdeveloped region or a an immature society is ...
1- by delivering weapons
2- by injecting cash..
Do you see this, have been happening in ME?...
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Berrin wrote:So you agree, Israel’s role is continually stir up trouble in the Middle East...


No, not at all.
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Well, we clearly have a choice - whether to believe Haaretz's clear, detailed and careful list of the Apartheid policies, or the other view that all is rosy and that those opposing Israel just believe in conspiracy theories.

I personally think it is sweet how people can hold on to out-dated beliefs in the face of facts to the contrary- and if we all had the same views, there'd be far fewer posts here.

But let's keep this thread on topic if we can - Haaretz's article is stating why Israelis should oppose the Apartheid policies.

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shafique wrote:Well, we clearly have a choice - whether to believe Haaretz's clear, detailed and careful list of the Apartheid policies, or the other view that all is rosy and that those opposing Israel just believe in conspiracy theories.


The fact that Haaretz can publish this proves that Israel is a beacon of light concerning freedom of speech in the ME. She is actually turning the world upside down for blaming Israel to take in refugees and seeing it as part of apartheid. Still cannot get my head around that one.

shafique wrote:I personally think it is sweet how people can hold on to out-dated beliefs in the face of facts to the contrary- and if we all had the same views, there'd be far fewer posts here.


Playing the personal card must be such an ingrained mechanism that it just cannot be rid of.
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I agree with you FD - the freedom of speech in Israel and freedom of the press puts much of the Arab world's oppressive treatment of the press to shame. No arguments there. I'd point out that this is not because Arab populations don't want to have a free press, but that those in power won't let them have it.

The freedom of the press is a separate issue from the choice I referred to - the choice is whether we believe Haaretz's description of the Apartheid policies in Israel or whether we choose the alternative viewpoint which says this is not a correct depiction of reality.

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The first group consists of about 1.5 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, who have been under a prolonged closure for years, with only a small number of persons bearing special permits allowed to leave.


So? Its an enemy entity. Cannot see a reason why Israel should be friendly towards an enemy entity. Despite that Gazans still can be treated in Israeli hospitals. And as we all know the Gaza strip is closed by Israel AND Egypt.

The second group is the 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank, barred from entering Jerusalem or Israel proper unless they have special permits, which they can receive only in exceptional cases from the military authority known as the Civil Administration. The settlements, all of which are illegal by international law, have stolen 44 percent of West Bank land for Jewish settlers. They have been surrounded by patrol and access roads, on which Palestinians are not allowed to travel.The roads from one place to another inside the territories are also blocked by hundreds of checkpoints.The freedom of movement of almost all Palestinians in the West Bank is limited - to inside the West Bank only.


I see Haaretz dropped the "jew-only road" myth/libel. There are however Arab-only roads. The latest I read about this, is that there are 14 manned checkpoints inside the Westbank. Its simple math: the less you blow yourself up amongst Israeli civilians, the less roadblocks there are. That is exluding checkpoints on the green line. I would like for Daphna to elobarate on:

"The roads from one place to another inside the territories are also blocked by hundreds of checkpoints."

This is completely not true!

Westbank economy grew with close to 9% in the first half of 2010 by the way, despite the alledged policies described by Daphna


The third group is the quarter-million Palestinian residents of Jerusalem, who have blue identity cards and can travel in Israel, Jerusalem and parts of the West Bank, but whose travel outside of that space is controlled and restricted by Israel. Jerusalem Palestinians who leave the city to study abroad, or even in Bethlehem, lose their status of "permanent residents," which signifies their future temporary presence in the city.


East-Jerusalemites can become Israeli citizens with full rights. Nobody is stopping them, excepts for the PA, which is threatening with death towards Arabs who want to become Israeli citizens and most probably do as we have seen in another thread.

The Palestinian citizens of Israel are the fourth group, and supposedly have the same freedom of movement as the fifth group: the Jewish citizens of Israel.


True, life in Israel is harder for Arab citizens than Jewish, but to compare it with apartheid is just ridiculous. They participate in Israeli democracy and Israel is one of the first (maybe the first) to give Arab women a right to vote in 1948.

The sixth group is asylum seekers and migrant laborers, whose freedom of movement is restricted and who live in fear of being deported. While this group is new here, after 43 years of occupation, the regime that separates different groups of people with different rights is not temporary and resembles the apartheid regime.


Yeah, whatever!
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So, in a nutshell you either justify the discrimination where you can't deny it, and just call Haaretz a liar for the other instances.

As I said, readers therefore have a clear choice between two different views of Israel - one from you and one from the Israeli newspaper.

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shafique wrote:So, in a nutshell you either justify the discrimination where you can't deny it


Playing the personal card again.

shafique wrote:and just call Haaretz a liar for the other instances.


The writer of this article lies in certain cases or gives a completely distorted view of reality, yes.
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Thanks for sharing your personal opinion of the article - I was just summarising what you had written about the article.

As for me, I agree with the Israelis who say they should fight against the Apartheid regulations and who oppose those who support/justify/deny them.

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shafique wrote:Thanks for sharing your personal opinion of the article - I was just summarising what you had written about the article.


No, it wasnt a summary. Next time just quote.
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That looks like an order to me... and reminds me of a quote of yours from a few weeks back:

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(Payback's a b.itch, eh?) ;)


But, as I said - thanks for sharing your beliefs about the situation in Israel. If it is ok with you 'uberstormbahnfuhrer' - I'll decide whether to believe you or Israeli journalists, and I'll continue to summarise as I see fit (and you're free to correct the summary if you so see the need).

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shafique wrote:That looks like an order to me...


My abopoly if it appeared that way. It was a suggestion for more credibility.

shafique wrote:(Payback's a b.itch, eh?) ;)


Dont believe in personal payback. Personal payback is very sad IMHO if it only serves the purpose of payback.
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Apology accepted - but note that I was actually quoting you - so was referring to your own words coming back to haunt you (and the smiley was there for a reason).

As I said, if you think my summary for clarity was wrong - you are free to give your own summary. I only read a. justification and b. denial. Both of which I have no issue with you sharing with us - it makes the forum more interesting to have different view points.

You can guess that my personal opinion is to side with the Haaretz reporter on this issue.

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shafique wrote: but in this case, I was actually quoting you.


It is all good.


More on topic. For those that do want to see situations resembling apartheid within armictice lines after the 6-day war, have to look at how the Palestinian leadership keeps Arabs inside the camps. This is in territories controlled by the PA and Hamas. Apartheid between those outside the camps and inside the camps.
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Hey, again I'm with you on this.

I don't like the fact that the refugees are kept apart as a largely political move - so as to not change the 'facts on the ground'. But we shouldn't also forget the fact that many Palestinians who are refugees have left the region - many working in Dubai for example.

But the topic is not really about what Palestinian refugess outside of Israel are experiencing (although the fate of those in Gaza is particularly moving) - but rather about Israelis moving against Israeli apartheid policies.

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