shafique wrote:^You mean 'Four Lions' wasn't a documentary
LOL
Cheers,
Shafique
Well I'm sure in the minds of some it WAS
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shafique wrote:^You mean 'Four Lions' wasn't a documentary
LOL
Cheers,
Shafique
Icenic wrote:I can't be arsed to look at your propaganda.
Oh and Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and all those networks are completely unbiased and include no propaganda whatsoever? The US government is infamous for the spreading of propaganda, but in the case of 9/11 they are telling the truth right? That is why they have so many 9/11-related documents locked up and disclosed.
"If there is a lie, and someone covers up that lie, then they are part of the lie."I don't think anyone could present any info that would change your mind anyway.
There's the bias right. If you don't want to accept that your thoughts may be wrong, then you will never change your mind, of course. As I said before, I am willing to have my mind changed, but no one thus far has provided enough proof for me to do so.
Icenic wrote:have more people believe that as well?
kanelli wrote:I'm sorry, did you say your data? You are viewing and reading second-hand info from the video and internet compiled by people who may or may not be experts in the subjects. Suddenly you are an expert? I'm not out of logical arguments, and there is plenty of support for my arguments which I'm sure you have seen, but it doesn't persuade you like the conspiracy versions of the events.
I already watched some conspiracy stuff before and I won't waste my time on it again. I stated logical points about why I think people are ignoring the obvious simple explanation and instead looking for exceptions and elaborate conspiracy explanations for those. That is a valid part of the debate. However, you are right that I am not willing to view the specific video to answer those specific questions you recently posted about tower 7, so I won't comment further.
kanelli wrote:"A few extremist Mulsims hijacked 4 planes, managed to run two of them in to the world trade center because of which both of them collapsed and that world trade center tower 7 was damaged by debris and later fell itself. And that another plane also was flown into the pentagon and one crash landed in a field."
You got it!
kanelli wrote:And zonker, people can change their minds after discussion. It has happened to me many times. From having good discussions I have personally reflected on some of my own views and have learned to check alternative sources to try to get a larger perspective on an issue.
Pull the building not the firemen.
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives...
We know that the term 'pull it' means to bring the building down by means of explosives because in the same documentary a cleanup worker (in December 2001) refers to the demolition of WTC Building 6 when he says, "...we're getting ready to pull the building six."
desertdudeshj wrote:That would make a lot of sense EH but there is one fundamental problem with that explantion. Silverstein did not own or hold a lease on WTC 6, so why would anybody ask Silvertien about WTC 6 ? Infact he never even bid for WTC 6.
Can I order your car to be crushed ? Or would anybody ask me for permission to crush your car ?
and not mock you so please work with me here.
Why is the silverstein quote scraping the bottom of the barrel?
You just posted the silverstein quote and he said its about pulling the building. What am I missing? He admitted that the building was demolished.
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
"We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
No he said pull "it"event horizon wrote:He said 'pull', as in go 'ahead and pull your men out of building 7'.
"We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it."
"We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it."
Do I need any more evidence that 9/11 truthers scrape the bottom of the barrel?
shafique wrote:I don't believe the conspiracy theories - I don't think the US government or Mossad are competent enough to pull off such a cover-up if they were behind it.
kanelli wrote:It is utterly ridiculous to compare the Beijing Cultural Center to the World Trade Center towers. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
Eg - perhaps the Philly plane was shot down by the US and didn't crash when passengers overpowered the hijackers. The authorities could have covered that up.
and having the plane disintegrate, including the usually indestructible engines..