Flying Dutchman wrote:Shafique is a geniune troll. He is obsessed with Israel bashing, baiting and cannot help himself with some serious mud throwing when somebody annoys him with pointing out his lies and bigotry. Event horizon certainly focusses on Islam. Then again, I think Islam is a more valid discussion point on DF than the constant Israel bashing. I dont agree with everything that event horizon posts, but he does have some good points. When those points are made count on some mud slinging from Shafique and DDS. Although DDS is not a full blown troll, he certainly shows some trolly behaviour. In general, mods (with a very few exceptions) are doing a very bad job in here imo.
I have to agree with you on all points.
Shafique: I give you credit for seeing yourself as contributing to the same behavior as EH, but somehow I think you were a bit mild in critiquing yourself. You are not just a troll-baiter, you are a troll. You start as many threads as EH does. Although you are not a cut and paste kind of guy, it doesn't make you any less of a troll than EH. You always seem to rise to the occasion when EH posts something, and vice versa. I think alot of what you post is for the benefit of EH and seeing what his reaction is, again vice versa.
DDS: You claim that you get a reaction from some people when they don't agree with you. Well I have seen your reaction when YOU don't agree with people, without explaining your opinion as to why you disagree in a conversational matter. It generally ends up being put forth with a twist of you being nasty. One of the understandings should be: we agree to disagree. Even by disagreeing and having a discussion, people may just have something to say that can allow one to think and see something from a different view.
Islam: could make for very interesting discussions if it isn't used 99% of the time to be compared with Jews. Islam is a religion, and could be discussed in a religion vs. religion sense, as in Judism. There are discussion about Islam as a religion, but general reference to Muslims is a reference to the religion. Whereas Jews are Jews - people, not reference to religion. People are quick to refer to Islam or the Koran to justify arguments, but I don't think I have ever seen the Torah referred to. Jewish people live their lives based on the Torah as Muslims live their lives based on the Koran. I caught a partial discussion on the radio today about an Egyptian who has translated the Koran where he attempts to give a translation for the here and now - basically taking it out of the dark ages. He hasn't rewritten it, just gave it his interpretation through translation to help people - Muslims and non-Muslims. Apparently it will be quite a crowd-drawer and certainly will help non-Muslims to have a better understanding of Islam. (I will be looking for it as I am sure it will an interesting read.)
Mods: When I first joined DF I questioned one mod about behavior (posting comments). I was told "just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I can't participate and I am free to say what I want" (something to that effect). DF is a forum that gives alot of leeway to the members in their expression of speech. I have yet to see forums that have "fight club" and that is because they are strictly monitored. I have to say, what has been expressed on DF would have probably caused other forums to have been shut down (those operating in the UAE) either by choice or force. Every moderator here, those that actually exist, is at fault to one degree or another, sometimes more, sometimes less, and that includes threads that should have gone to fight club earlier than they did.