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Everything You Think You Know About Iran Is Wrong!!?? Sep 14, 2010
The other day I ran across an old Newsweek magazine (June 2009) with a funny picture of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the cover. The headline says, “Everything You Think You Know About Iran Is Wrong!!”

Is this still true about Iran???

Is Iran really that mysterious to the West??

What do you think Melika???

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I wonder how many people saw the cover and read : "Everything about Iran is wrong" ??

It certainly would explain a lot of things! :)


One thing Mel can probably help answer - did Ahmadinejad become the latest 'devil incarnate' for the US before or after he threatened to start selling oil in Euros. Saddam actually went through with this threat and we saw what happened to him and his country... has Iran been selling oil in Euros in any volumes recently?

I recall that after 9/11 Iran gave the US help and supported the Afghan campaign.. and that at the time negotiations were on-going about oil or gas pipelines.

..just asking. ;)

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shafique wrote:I wonder how many people saw the cover and read : "Everything about Iran is wrong" ??

It certainly would explain a lot of things! :)






Astute observation Shaf!

I didn’t notice that!

Maybe that’s what they actually wanted you to think!!!

As you know, the US media is good at that!!!

As to the reason why Saddam was removed:

Well.. I don’t think it was because he was thinking about switching to Euros. I think the objective was much, much bigger than that!!!

I can see that the objective is beginning to become more and more apparent with the passing of time!!!


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TJ - Saddam actually did sell oil in Euros, that was just a symptom that he was no longer 'our tough guy' in the region any longer.

For me the images of US soldiers guarding the ministry of oil when within eye-shot the museum was been looted said it all. ;)

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Pipelines. It's all about pipes.

Who runs and controls the flow of oil from the gulf is a key factor in the US policy.

"The Spice must flow..."

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One thing Mel can probably help answer - did Ahmadinejad become the latest 'devil incarnate' for the US before or after he threatened to start selling oil in Euros. Saddam actually went through with this threat and we saw what happened to him and his country... has Iran been selling oil in Euros in any volumes recently?


:lol: :lol: very very funny! So you think the only problem Ahmadinejad has is to sell the oil in Euros? well mind you nuclear programs threats by west has been started in the late years of Khatami's presidency! even before Ahmadinejad!

Honestly, I dont care about oil! because it doesnt make any difference for my nation who will buy it and what is the price. After all in this regime, the meony will go to Gazza and Hamas, or will be spent to buy weapons for revolutionary guard!

The other day I ran across an old Newsweek magazine (June 2009) with a funny picture of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on the cover. The headline says, “Everything You Think You Know About Iran Is Wrong!!”

Is this still true about Iran???

Is Iran really that mysterious to the West??

What do you think Melika???


he is liar, fake populist and has no shame! I dont know if this kind of personality is understandable by west! :wink:
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melika969 wrote:he is liar, fake populist and has no shame! I dont know if this kind of personality is understandable by west! :wink:


I think we call this personality type a 'politician' in the west. :mrgreen:

(But you didn't answer my question - did he become the bad guy only after Iran didn't agree to pipelines, threatened to sell oil in Euros etc?) ;)

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You are not gratfeul for your politicians, you have to live in a corrupted religious county, so u would get the sense of what are u talkin abt!

I did answer ur question! It s not about pipelines, it s about nuclear, which have even started before him, and well as he is very stupid and knows nothing abt international politics, he showed his real personality, which is a retard!
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You are right Mel, I haven't lived in corrupt religous countries before, but I have spent some time in a corrupt non-religious country (I spent 4 years in Zimbabwe).

I can't help but observe that Ahmadinejad is not the most extreme leader in the region - he can't fix elections like Mubarak does in Egypt (I mean it takes some chutzpah to call elections there fair) and doesn't have as many weird moments than Ghadaffi, or is not as extreme a religious regime as the Sauds - and he seems to be playing his cards well in regards to the Chinese.

But hey, what do I know? I believed all the historical accounts of the Shah being the son of a Cossack soldier who was put in place by Western powers when his father didn't play ball, and ran a dictatorial police state ... ;)

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LOL!!!! Son of Cossaq soldier?
ok some pics for you to compare:
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My wife lived and grew up in Iran during Reza Pahlavi. She escaped during the revolution, and is still happy every day for it. Sadly, she will be killed when she wants to go down to memory lane in her beloved Tehran.
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Reza Pahlavi? u mean ur wife grew and lived in Iran more than 60 years ago??

Or u meant MohammadReza Pahlavi?
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Lol, yes the last Pahlavi. :oops:
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Reza was the Cossack soldier who came to power in a coup, his son was the second and last Pahlavi and who was put into power when Reza was given the elbow. He was the Ghadaffi of his day, I guess - but perhaps with more bling.

Reza banned the veil and forced women to unveil.. how times have changed indeed in Iran! ;)

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I adore him for banning the veil, and not let mullahs to brainwash people why they should wear it!like Ataturk in Tureky, Reza shah established universities, brought first planes, first trains, and tehcnology to Iran!
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trains - that reminds me of the saying 'Mussolini made the trains run on time'!

Actually, to be fair, Reza did a lot to help build up the infrastructure of Iran, but he was deposed by the West for wanting to look after his people more than help the West - a story which was to be repeated with Mossadegh.

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and who was the enemy of Mosadegh? Another Mullah! Ayat ollah Kashani, which gave bazari people lectures against him, and let the Coup d'état happen!

btw, I thought we are talking abt Shah and Ahmadinejad, what is ur deal with west?
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I thought this thread was about what the West's view of Iran (TJ asked this specifically) and the questions/info are dealing what people think they know about Iran....

Who was the enemy of Mossadegh? Well the coup that overthrew him was supported by the CIA. duh.

As for Reza Shah:
Reza Shah's main critics were the so-called "new intelligencia", often educated in Europe, for whom the Shah "was not a state-builder but an `oriental despot` ... not a reformer but a plutocrat strengthening the landed upper class; not a real nationalist but a jack-booted Cossack trained by the Tsarists and brought to power by British imperialists

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Abrahamian, A History of Modern Iran (2008), p.96
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Who was the enemy of Mossadegh? Well the coup that overthrew him was supported by the CIA. duh.


Wanna read about Shaban Jafari and Ayatollah Abol-Ghasem Kashani ?
Not from ur "loon" websites ofcourse!! :lol:

Reza Shah's main critics were the so-called "new intelligencia", often educated in Europe, for whom the Shah "was not a state-builder but an `oriental despot` ... not a reformer but a plutocrat strengthening the landed upper class; not a real nationalist but a jack-booted Cossack trained by the Tsarists and brought to power by British imperialists


So what?! the man brought glory, nationalism, progress, technology, science, money and respect for the persians! well we are very gratefull to British imperialsts if they are responsible for it!
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Ok, happy to be educated about who deposed Mossadegh.

This is the info from Wiki -

Plot to depose Mosaddegh

Soldiers surround the Parliament building in Tehran on 19 August 1953.The government of the United Kingdom had grown increasingly distressed over Mosaddegh's policies and were especially bitter over the loss of their control of the Iranian oil industry. Repeated attempts to reach a settlement had failed.

Unable to resolve the issue single handedly due to its post-World War II problems, Britain looked towards the United States to settle the issue. Initially America had opposed British policies. After American mediation had failed several times to bring about a settlement, American Secretary of State Dean Acheson concluded that the British were "destructive and determined on a rule or ruin policy in Iran."[34] By early 1953, however, Dwight D. Eisenhower won the presidential election in the United States and a change in US policy toward Iran ensued.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_M ... _Mosaddegh

Is this information wrong, and it wasn't the Brits and Yanks who organised the coup because he nationalised the Oil?

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Reza Shah's main critics were the so-called "new intelligencia", often educated in Europe, for whom the Shah "was not a state-builder but an `oriental despot` ... not a reformer but a plutocrat strengthening the landed upper class; not a real nationalist but a jack-booted Cossack trained by the Tsarists and brought to power by British imperialists


So what?! the man brought glory, nationalism, progress, technology, science, money and respect for the persians! well we are very gratefull to British imperialsts if they are responsible for it!


It appears that 'Mussolini made the trains run on time' was very appropriate!

You say 'so what' to a description of Reza being a 'jack-booted Cossack trained by Tsarists asn brought to power by British Imperialists' - and largely because he created a Western paradise for the ruling and middle classes? Hmm.

I should introduce you to the white colonials of Africa who still pine for the 'good old days' (they are mostly dying out though).

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hehe, first of all ur obsession with Mosadeq is very interesting to me!

Second, they needed local people's support to do sth like that, they needed clerics for speeches and some strong bazari people to supprt them in their way!

Thats why I referred you to Kashani and Jafari!

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Reza Shah's main critics were the so-called "new intelligencia", often educated in Europe, for whom the Shah "was not a state-builder but an `oriental despot` ... not a reformer but a plutocrat strengthening the landed upper class; not a real nationalist but a jack-booted Cossack trained by the Tsarists and brought to power by British imperialists


So what?! the man brought glory, nationalism, progress, technology, science, money and respect for the persians! well we are very gratefull to British imperialsts if they are responsible for it!


It appears that 'Mussolini made the trains run on time' was very appropriate!

You say 'so what' to a description of Reza being a 'jack-booted Cossack trained by Tsarists asn brought to power by British Imperialists' - and largely because he created a Western paradise for the ruling and middle classes? Hmm.

I should introduce you to the white colonials of Africa who still pine for the 'good old days' (they are mostly dying out though).

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It seems we are not going on a same track!or u want to pretend so!! All ur efforts is to downgrade Pahlavis family, Reza shah and Mohammadreza shah, and ofcourse to upgrade the Ahmadinejad (which is very difficult :lol: )!

I explained the reasons why we respect the Pahlavis, despite of where they came from, I m not a supprter of any kingdom, but I can see their differences,

so What s ur problem?
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Mossadegh's overthrow by the CIA on behalf of the UK is one of the great examples of a country not being allowed to do what is best for its people..

The fact that the CIA used locals to do the dirty work isn't news - the criticism of Reza was that he was installed by the West (and then deposed by them).

For the coup, wiki states this clearly:
The pro-monarchy leadership, chosen, hidden and finally unleashed at the right moment by the CIA team, led by retired army General and former Minister of Interior in Mosaddegh's cabinet, Fazlollah Zahedi joined with underworld figures such as the Rashidian brothers and local strongman Shaban Jafari,[48] to gain the upper hand on 19 August 1953 (28 Mordad).


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The fact that the CIA used locals to do the dirty work isn't news - the criticism of Reza was that he was installed by the West (and then deposed by them).


oh maybe it s not very important to u , because he was a fellow cleric! :lol:

the criticism of Reza was that he was installed by the West (and then deposed by them).


yes yes yes, you have repeated that millions of times, I have no objection against it, but what he did was the best for the country and thats what counts now! ok?
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Have you heard the expression 'I'm alright jack?'
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I'm_all_right,_Jack ;)

And it is news to me that Reza or Mossadegh were clerics! I think you're now rambling Mel -take a chill pill. - It is clear you are a big fan of the Pahlavis even though they were puppets of the West (or is it because they were puppets? :)

But don't get me wrong - I agree that Reza Shah did indeed pour in money on infrastructure etc, but the issue is he only was allowed to do as much as the West allowed him to do. Had he not been deposed, and had Mossadegh succeeded, the British elite would be poorer and the Iranians richer. As it was, the 'chosen' subjects of Pahlavis got to live the good life and nowadays are very similar to the 'whenwe's of Africa. (And similar to the Cuban exiles)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whenwe

But I am still amazed that the last Shah is idolised despite the utterances like the one below, and the savage brutality of his SAVAK thugs (not helped by the fact they were trained by the CIA and Mossad!):
With Iran's great oil wealth, Mohammad Reza Shah became the pre-eminent leader of the Middle East, and self-styled "Guardian" of the Persian Gulf. In 1961 he defended his autocratic rule, saying `when Iranians learn to behave like Swedes, I will behave like the King of Sweden.`


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi

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Writing at the time of the Shah's overthrow, TIME magazine described SAVAK as having "long been Iran's most hated and feared institution" which had "tortured and murdered thousands of the Shah's opponents."[24] Federation of American Scientists (FAS) also found it guilty of "the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners" and symbolizing "the Shah's rule from 1963-79." The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails." [25] According to a former CIA analyst on Iran,[26][27] Jesse J. Leaf, SAVAK was trained in torture techniques by the CIA. An example of the public image of the SAVAK in Iran as all-pervasive and fear-inducing, is "a much enjoyed joke" during the Pahlavi regime, where an Iranian Muslim is questioned by angels on the first night after his (the Iranian's) death:

"Who is your God?"
"His Majesty, the Shahanshah!" (King of Kings in Persian)
"What is your religion?"
"The White Revolution."
"What is your holy book?"
"His Majesty's book, The White Revolution."
The angels raise their clubs to beat the infidel. God appears, stops them and asks the deceased, "What is the matter with you?!"
The man replies, "Sorry God. I thought these two might be SAVAK agents"[28]

:shock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

But that's just me.. drawing a parallel between previous Western interventions in Iran and the current demonisation.

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I dont even open your stupid links, when u trying to be funny!

And it is news to me that Reza or Mossadegh were clerics! I think you're now rambling Mel -take a chill pill. - It is clear you are a big fan of the Pahlavis even though they were puppets of the West (or is it because they were puppets?


To answer this, as I said u just repeating urself and not paying attention to the history! I never said Reza Shah or Mosasadegh were clerics! I said Kashani was! If u had a clue of Arabic language, you would undestand it of his name! Ayatollah Kashani! but all u do is trying to stick to ur "West is bad" websites! :lol:

But that's just me.. drawing a parallel between previous Western interventions in Iran and the current demonisation.


Of course!!!! It s just you and people with your mind! go wipe off Israel out of the world and spread Islamic government to take all of us to heaven!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Stil can not help but laughing, that u think Iran is in a path of progress and success right now and BAD WEST is trying to stop it! YEA RIGHT! :lol:
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Chubby knows best, melika.

Dontchya know?
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melika969 wrote:I dont even open your stupid links, when u trying to be funny!


That explains a lot. However, I quoted the bits that made my point - the links were mainly to show where the info came from.

So, in summary - you don't dispute the facts that Reza Shah was initially a Western Puppet and then replaced by his son the West when he decided to be less of a puppet.

You also have no answer to the historical fact that it was the CIA who were behind the coup to overthrow Mossadegh, who did it on behalf of the Brits who did not like the fact he wanted to use Oil for the benefit of Iranians.

You have not addressed the fact that the last Shah was a brutal dictator who terrorised his population using the SAVAK, and viewed the population as undeserving of democracy because they were inferior to Swedes.

Yet he was great because he could throw great parties for his friends and spent some of the wealth of Iran on the Iranian people.

I guess the different view points of the Shah's regime depends on whether you benefited from the crumbs off his table or were the ones who were targetted by the Mossad & CIA trained SAVAK (intellectuals, opposition politicians, students etc)


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melika969 wrote:I dont even open your stupid links, when u trying to be funny!


That explains a lot. However, I quoted the bits that made my point - the links were mainly to show where the info came from.



So till when u wanna live in denial shaf, my comment was about the

Have you heard the expression 'I'm alright jack?'
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I'm_all_right,_Jack


I have addressed ur other points before, so please give it a rest!

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I dont know why I can not edit my own posts here, please one of the Mods edit my picture posts, it can be dangerous for my safety, I wanted to show them for one days under my name!

Shaf, ur logic makes no sense, brutal dictator? SAVAK? Parties for his friends? You sound like my histoy books in high school and Berrin of course!

I will let this to other people to read and judge, because u are helpless!
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[quote="melika969Shaf, ur logis makes no sense, brutal dictator? SAVAK? Parties for his friends? You sound like my histoy books in high school and Berrin of course!
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Ok, perhaps what I read about SAVAK is wrong then (I gave another quote above, here's another):
SAVAK (Persian: ساواک, short for سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Sazeman-e Ettela'at va Amniyat-e Keshvar, National Intelligence and Security Organization) was the domestic security and intelligence service established by Iran's Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi with the help of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency and Israel's Mossad.

SAVAK operated beginning in 1957 and ending in 1979 when Pahlavi was overthrown. SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[1


I had expected a supporter of the Shah to explain why this description of a brutal dictator (who did not want democracy for his people) was wrong, but all I seem to get is 'but he did some things good as well' or the bizare argument that I'm like a cleric :?

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