Looking 'Muslimish' - Beware!

Topic locked
  • Reply
Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 25, 2010
The episode in the video begins when, as John Cole put it, “some black guy made the mistake of looking Muslimish and was harassed and nearly assaulted by the collection of lily white mouth-breathers at the event . . . At about 25 seconds in, he quite astutely points out to the crowd that ‘All y’all dumb motherfuckers don’t even know my opinion on shit’.” As this African-American citizen (whom the videographer claims is a union carpenter who works at Ground Zero) is instructed to leave by what appears to be some sort of security or law enforcement official, the crowd proceeds to yell: ”he musta voted for Obama,” “Mohammed’s a pig,” and other assorted charming anti-mosque slogans. I really encourage everyone to watch this to see the toxicity this campaign has unleashed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN ... r_embedded
:shock:

Salon.com astutely points out that the the above shows that the opposition to Park 51 is really just about Islamophobia. (I feel like saying 'Duh!' - but, he has a point):

The “mosque” debate is not a “distraction”By Glenn Greenwald

Opponents of the Park51 Islamic community center held a rally yesterday in Lower Manhattan, and a 4-minute video, posted below, reveals the true sentiments behind this campaign. It has little to do with The Hallowed Ground of the World Trade Center — that’s just the pretext — and everything to do with animosity toward Muslims. I dislike the tactic of singling out one or two objectionable people or signs at a march or rally in order to disparage the event itself. That’s not what this video is. Rather, it shows the collective sentiment of those gathered, as well as what’s driving the broader national backlash against mosques and Muslims far beyond Ground Zero.

The episode in the video begins when, as John Cole put it, “some black guy made the mistake of looking Muslimish and was harassed and nearly assaulted by the collection of lily white mouth-breathers at the event . . . At about 25 seconds in, he quite astutely points out to the crowd that ‘All y’all dumb motherfuckers don’t even know my opinion on shit’.” As this African-American citizen (whom the videographer claims is a union carpenter who works at Ground Zero) is instructed to leave by what appears to be some sort of security or law enforcement official, the crowd proceeds to yell: ”he musta voted for Obama,” “Mohammed’s a pig,” and other assorted charming anti-mosque slogans. I really encourage everyone to watch this to see the toxicity this campaign has unleashed:



The New York Times article on this rally describes similar incidents, including how a student who carried a sign that simply read ”Religious tolerance is what makes America great” was threatened and told that “that if the police were not present, [he] would be in danger.” Does anyone believe that their real agenda is simply to have Park51 move a few blocks away to less Sacred ground, or that they’re amenable to some sort of Howard-Dean-envisioned compromise that accommodates everyone?

All of this underscores a point I’ve wanted to make for awhile. There’s been a tendency, which I find increasingly irritating, to dismiss this whole Park51 debate as some sort of petty, inconsequential August “distraction” from what Really Matters. Here’s Chuck Todd mocking the debate as a ”shiny metal object alert” and lamenting “the waste of time” he believes it to be, whileKatrina vanden Heuvel, in The Washington Post last week, condemned ”pundits and politicians [who] are working themselves into hysteria over a mosque near Ground Zero” on the ground that it won’t determine the outcome of the midterm elections. This impulse is understandable. If you chose to narrowly define the topic of the controversy as nothing more than the Manhattan address of Park 51, then obviously it pales in importance to the unemployment crisis, our ongoing wars, and countless other political issues.

But that’s an artificially narrow and misguided way of understanding what this dispute is about. The intense animosity toward Muslims driving this campaign extends far beyond Ground Zero, and manifests in all sorts of significant and dangerous ways. In June, The New York Times reported on a vicious opposition campaign against a proposed mosque in Staten Island. Earlier this month, Associated Press documented that “Muslims trying to build houses of worship in the nation’s heartland, far from the heated fight in New York over plans for a mosque near ground zero, are running into opponents even more hostile and aggressive.” And today, The Washington Post examines anti-mosque campaigns from communities around the nation and concludes that “the intense feelings driving that debate have surfaced in communities from California to Florida in recent months, raising questions about whether public attitudes toward Muslims have shifted.”

To belittle this issue as though it’s the equivalent of the media’s August fixation on shark attacks or Chandra Levy — or, worse, to want to ignore it because it’s harmful to the Democrats’ chances in November — is profoundly irresponsible. The Park51 conflict is driven by, and reflective of, a pervasive animosity toward a religious minority — one that has serious implications for how we conduct ourselves both domestically and internationally. Yesterday,ABC News’ Christiane Amanpour decided to let Americans hear about this dispute from actual Muslims behind the project (compare that, as Jay Rosen suggested, to David Gregory’s trite and typically homogeneous guest list of Rick Lazio and Jeffrey Goldberg and you see why there’s so much upset caused by Amanpour). One of those project organizers, Daisy Kahn, said this during her ABC interview:

This is like a metastasized anti-Semitism. That’s what we feel right now. It’s not even Islamophobia; it’s beyond Islamophobia. It’s hate of Muslims, and we are deeply concerned.
Can anyone watch the video of that disgusting hate rally and dispute that? That’s exactly why I’ve found this conflict so significant. If Park51 ends up moving or if opponents otherwise succeed in defeating it, it will seriouslybolster and validate the ugly premises at the heart of this campaign: that Muslims generally are responsible for 9/11, Terrorism justifies and even compels our restricting the equals rights and access of Americans Muslims, and more broadly, the animosity and suspicions towards Muslims generally are justified, or at least deserving of respect. As Aziz Poonawalla put it: “if the project does fail, then I think that the message that will be sent is that bigotry and fear of Muslims is not just permitted, it is effective.”

That’s exactly the message that will be sent, and that’s what makes this conflict so significant. Obviously, not all opponents of Park51 are as overtly hateful as those in that video — and not all opponents are themselves bigots — but the position they’ve adopted is inherently bigoted, as it seeks to impose guilt and blame on a large demographic group for the aberrational acts of a small number of individual members. And one thing is certain: if this campaign succeeds, it will proliferate and the sentiments driving it will become even more potent. Hatemongers always become emboldened when they triumph.

The animosity and hatred so visible here extends far beyond the location of mosques or even how we treat American Muslims. So many of our national abuses, crimes and other excesses of the last decade — torture, invasions, bombings, illegal surveillance, assassinations, renditions, disappearances, etc. etc. — are grounded in endless demonization of Muslims. A citizenry will submit to such policies only if they are vested with sufficient fear of an Enemy. There are, as always, a wide array of enemies capable of producing substantial fear (the Immigrants, the Gays, and, as that video reveals, the always-reliable racial minorities), but the leading Enemy over the last decade, in American political discourse, has been, and still is, the Muslim.

That’s why the population is willing to justify virtually anything that’s done to “them” without much resistance at all, and it’s why very few people demand evidence from the Government before believing accusations that someone is a Terrorist: after all, if they’re Muslim, that’s reason enough to believe it. Hence, the repeated, mindless mantra that those in Guantanamo — or those on the Government’s “hit list” — are Terrorists even in the absence of evidence and charges, and even in the presence of ample grounds for doubting the truth of those accusations.

And there’s no end in sight: the current hysteria over Iran at its core relies — just as the identical campaign against Iraq did — on the demonization of a whole new host of Muslim villains. A population that is constantly bombarded with tales of Muslim Evil (they want to kill your children and explode a nuclear suitcase in your neighborhood) will be filled with fear and hatred — sentiments always exacerbated during times of economic strife and uncertainty — and very well-primed to lash out. That’s the decade-long brew that has led to this purely irrational, hate-driven demand that they not be allowed to desecrate and infect the Sacred, Hallowed Space of Ground Zero (the religious terminology used to talk about 9/11 is both creepy and no accident). This “debate” over Park51 is many things. An inconsequential “distraction” from what Really Matters is not one of them.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html

shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 25, 2010
Funny how the loon sites aren't mentioning the clash against a protester holding a sign that read "I can draw Mohammed if you can build a mosque" by Islamic supremacist gangsters.

Or my favorite, Gay protesters who were attacked in Britain by Muslim fanatics while attending a 'pro-Palestine' rally.
event horizon
UAE, Dubai Forums Lord of the posts
User avatar
Posts: 5503

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - Beware! Aug 25, 2010
Young loon, you're surely not calling Salon.Com a 'loon site' are you? But I like your segway into a 'what aboutery' argument - very smoooth. ;)

Who says Americans can't be funny?

Did you go on the march?

Cheers,
Shafique
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 25, 2010
Less funny news:

Police: Cab Driver Stabbed By Passenger Who Asked “Are You Muslim?”
As of late Tuesday, no charges had been filed.

Both the driver and the passenger were taken to Bellevue Hospital.
By: NY1 News

A city cab driver is in the hospital after being stabbed by a passenger who allegedly asked if he was Muslim, police tell NY1.

Investigators with the New York City Police Department say it all began Monday night when a 21-year-old man hailed a cab at 24th Street and Second Avenue in Manhattan.

Police say the passenger asked the driver, “Are you Muslim?” When the driver said yes the passenger pulled a
knife and slashed him in the throat, arm and lip.


The 43-year-old driver was able to lock the passenger in the back of the cab and call 911.

http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_st ... u-muslim--
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
Video of lynch mob killing two teenage paki brothers
The video, broadcast on paki news channels, shows a lynch mob taking turns to savagely beat the two boys with sticks, drawing blood from them before dragging and hanging their dead bodies from a nearby pole.

But perhaps just as shocking is that none of the dozens of people and police watching tried to stop the vicious attack.
It is now thought the boys, who were on their way to play cricket


Over the past two years, police and even soldiers have been caught on video beating suspects. In 2008, in two separate incidents in less than a week, crowds set fire to suspected robbers in the southern city of Karachi.

Anyone recognize how the middle east was a MUCH more peaceful, civil and prosperous place under Christian Colonialism.

And we're supposed to send aid to people like this? Maybe when they've learnt decent and civil behaviour and stop funding terrorism in the name of religion, they'll be worthy of our help.
chevaliers-de-sion
Dubai forums Addict
User avatar
Posts: 296
Location: USofA/EU

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
the article and the video both arent pleasant , i think its provoking and many muslims even "ideals " will start hating american. i am confused now and I started already hating americans , specially tea bags.
mesheditor
Dubai Forums Talker
Posts: 193

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
mesheditor wrote:the article and the video both arent pleasant , i think its provoking and many muslims even "ideals " will start hating american. i am confused now and I started already hating americans , specially tea bags.


Interesting point.

Sounds like you're saying that shafique is inciting hatred of Americans and Israelis by posting these types of one sided stories.

Perhaps you're not the only one who now hates Americans, Christians and Jews after reading the rantings on Loonwatch.com or shafique's screed on this site and has been incited to carry out acts of violence:

Three days later, a young Jewish woman who wore a complaint after being assaulted in a large area of Toulouse. . The victim claimed to have been taken to task by two teenagers who accused him of buying food during fasting.

The young woman would then argued that she was Jewish, which would only intensify the anger of his attackers, who, after having called a “dirty Jew”, allegedly hit on the head, by the heavy fall.

A vigil attended the scene without intervening. When questioned by investigators about the reasons for its passivity, the man explained that he respected Ramadan and so was anxious to leave in order to eat, from the sunset.


http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=25211

Two Somali Muslim men attacked a popular Somali church leader in the Ethiopian capital of Addis Ababa Aug. 21, according to a Washington-based Christian human rights group.

Mohamed Ali Garas, a convert from Islam, was hit on the head with a wooden club and then knocked to the ground where he was kicked in the chest and stomach, according to International Christian Concern (ICC). The Muslims fled after a neighbor appeared on the scene.

Local police are investigating the attack.

According to ICC, Garas is currently being treated at Meghbar Senai Hospital in the Shola neighborhood of Addis Ababa. Garas’ kneecap seems to be damaged and he will undergo more exams and x-rays to find out the extent.

Garas told ICC that the attackers purposefully hit him on his right leg, apparently knowing that he had broken his right thigh bone seven years ago in an accident. His broken bone has been healing for the last three years since he had reconstructive surgery.

Garas fled to Ethiopia from Somaliland five years ago after authorities there attempted to arrest him; he later moved to a new neighborhood in Addis Ababa about a month ago after some Somali Muslim men had threatened to physically attack him.

According to ICC, Somalia Christians living in Ethiopia, including those living the capital city, are coming under increased attack from Somali Muslims.

On July 16, five Somali Muslims beat a Somali Christian convert in Addis Ababa. Also, on September 20, 2008 Muslims beat a 35-year-old Somali Christian leader.


http://www.worthynews.com/8992-muslim-m ... n-ethiopia

OBIGNY, France (AFP) – A letter containing bullets and death threats to Jews was sent to a synagogue in a northern Paris suburb, where an infamous transit camp for Jews was set up during World War II, sources said.

The letter to the synagogue in Drancy also bore a swastika, said Sammy Ghozlan, head of a national body monitoring anti-semitism.

He said the letter had been sent on August 14 and discovered on Tuesday after the summer break.

He urged authorities to "beef up security in all places of worship" ahead of the Jewish New Year next month. Ghozlan said a similar letter had been sent to a synagogue in Stains, another northern suburb, but this claim could not be verified by AFP.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100825/wl ... 0825003710

:shock:
event horizon
UAE, Dubai Forums Lord of the posts
User avatar
Posts: 5503

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - Beware! Aug 26, 2010
What is the other side to the story of a taxi driver's throat being slashed in NY for being a Muslim then eh?

I'm pretty certain that the rise in Islamophobic attacks is due to the likes of Geller and Spencer, and not those who are opposing them.

But then again, you seem to rush to the old Loon tactics of 1. blaming the victims and 2. 'what aboutery' arguments. Why am I not surprised? (And blaming Loonwatch.com when I posted stories from salon and Ny1 is just funny)

Not a word of condemnation of those who hate Muslims - for that would be to criticise your own views.

Cheers,
Shafique
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
LoL !

Funny how the loons crow over Spencer 'falsely' portraying/misrepresenting Islam by highlighting stories of Islamic extremism and supremacism when this forum and the rags you copy/paste from are a mad-watch for everything Israel or the West does.

Really, you can't get this dumb if you tried.
event horizon
UAE, Dubai Forums Lord of the posts
User avatar
Posts: 5503

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - Beware! Aug 26, 2010
Spencer is a treasure trove of humour, it has to be said.

I understand fully why you're so frustrated these days - it can't be nice to have your extremist views (and those of your friends) exposed.

Cheers,
Shafique
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
Another anti-Muslim hate crime within 24 hours!! :shock:

Mosque vandalized by the American Nationalist Brotherhood (ANB), this time it is explicitly connected to the so-called “mosque at Ground Zero.” Loons and their message is having results

Vandalism at Madera Islamic center called hate crime
by Eddie Jimenez

Image

Vandalism to a Madera Islamic center and signs found on the property are being investigated as a hate crime, the Madera County Sheriff’s Department said today.

A brick was thrown at the building Friday and three signs were found at Masjid Madera, 16634 Road 26, during two other incidences since Aug. 18, said Erica Stuart, Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman. Two of the signs were found on the center’s property Tuesday afternoon.

The signs read “No Temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero. ANB,” “Wake up America, the Enemy is here. ANB” and “American Nationalist Brotherhood.”

Earlier reports said the brick went through a window. The sheriff’s department said later today that it struck a wall.

Anyone with information about the case is asked to call the Sheriff’s Department at (559) 675-7770 or Crime Stoppers at (559) 498-STOP.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/08/25/205 ... enter.html
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - beware! Aug 26, 2010
Anyone with information about the case is asked to call the Sheriff’s Department at (559) 675-7770 or Crime Stoppers at (559) 498-STOP.


As there is a "reward!"
chevaliers-de-sion
Dubai forums Addict
User avatar
Posts: 296
Location: USofA/EU

  • Reply
Re: Looking 'Muslimish' - Beware! Aug 26, 2010
^How much would we get if we handed over an ANB member?

eh - there's a business opportunity for you, you could rat out on the friends you don't particularly like! :)

Cheers,
Shafique
shafique
Dubai Shadow Wolf
User avatar
Posts: 13442

posting in Dubai Politics TalkForum Rules

Return to Dubai Politics Talk


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Last post