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Zionist Apartheid policies in 1930 Palestine Jun 10, 2010
Conclusion based on what is below - Zionist apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund and not Jewishness of the immigrants is the problem in Palestine (as the country was called in 1930 when this report was written). Ironically the 'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' got on well with the Arab Palestinians, but seem to have succumbed to the Zionist policies and reverses these early successes.


Quoting from the Hope Simpson report of 1930
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/E3E ... 19004F057C

We have the following revelations -
1. The Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association had more colonies and land than the later Jewish National Fund colonies, which Hope Simpson called 'Zionist colonies'
2. The Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonists got on well with Arab Palestinians, and there was mutual benefit.
3. The Zionist colonies had racist rules in their articles of association and this led to the exclusion of Arabs from land owned by the Jewish National Fund.
4. Hope Simpson warned that the Zionist's were trying to get the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonies to adopt their rules (and subsequently, this indeed is what happened).

Bear in mind this is 1930 and Palestine is a separate entity from Transjordan (later renamed Jordan), Syria, Egypt etc. The report starts with a description of Palestine, the areas, geography, agriculture, industry etc.

It is notable that the majority of Jewish Colonies (with immigrants from Europe) was called the :
'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' - notable for the words 'Palestine' and 'Colonisation'.

What is a revelation is that despite these overt 'it does what it says on the tin' name, the colonists from Europe - Jewish immigrants - got on well with the Arab Palestinians. There was no 'Jihad' against the semitic brethren from Europe.

What Hope Simpson's report pinpoints is the institutionalised racism in the Zionist constitution which permanently excluded non-Jews from the benefit of the land they got control of. (He makes this point very clearly).

So, what follows are extracts - verbatim extracts - from the report to illustrate the above points.

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From Ch V, pg 41

THE P.I.C.A. SETTLEMENTS.
Of the various Jewish settlement agencies the largest and most important is the P.I.C.A., whose colonies number 34. This association commenced work in 1882, under the designation of the Jewish Colonisation Association (I.C.A.), and its operations since that date have been supported by generous expenditure on the part of Baron Edmond de Rothschild. The P.I.C.A. now owns 454,840 metric dunams of land.


the report makes a distinction between the Palestinian Jewish Colonisation Association (PICA) settlements and those they call:

pg 42
THE ZIONIST SETTLEMENTS.
The Jewish National Fund.The Jewish National Fund holds approximately 270,000 metric dunams. According to a statement submitted by the Jewish Agency and reproduced as Appendix 7 to this Report, there are 20 cooperative groups, 16 smallholders' settlements, 5 girls' groups, 4 Yemenite settlements, 2 agricultural settlement stations and 2 experimental stations. In addition, there are 9 settlements described as " supported ".
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pg 50 (This quote was posted in another thread, but I'm repeating here for continuity)

Note the graphic description of the good relations between PICA colonialisation and that of the Zionist organisation.

THE EFFECT OF THE JEWISH SETTLEMENT ON THE ARAB.

P.I.C.A.'s relations with the Arab.In discussing the question of the effect of Jewish Settlement on the Arab it is essential to differentiate between the P.I.C.A. colonisation and that of the Zionist Organisation.
In so far as the past policy of the P.I.C.A. is concerned, there can be no doubt that the Arab has profited largely by the installation of the colonies. Relations between the colonists and their Arab neighbours were excellent. In many cases, when land was bought by the P.I.C.A. for settlement, they combined with the development of the land for their own settlers similar development for the Arabs who previously occupied the land. All the cases which are now quoted by the Jewish authorities to establish the advantageous effect of Jewish colonisation on the Arabs of the neighbourhood, and which have been brought to notice forcibly and frequently during the course of this enquiry, are cases relating to colonies established by the P.I.C.A., before the KerenHayesod came into existence. In fact, the policy of the P.I.C.A. was one of great friendship for the Arab. Not only did they develop the Arab lands simultaneously with their own, when founding their colonies, but they employed the Arab to tend their plantations, cultivate their fields, to pluck their grapes and their oranges. As a general rule the P.I.C.A. colonisation was of unquestionable benefit to the Arabs of the vicinity.

It is also very noticeable, in travelling through the P.I.C.A. villages, to see the friendliness of the relations which exist between Jew and Arab. It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house. The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies.
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pg52 and 53 quote the apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund constitution:

The effect of the Jewish colonisation in Palestine on the existing population is very intimately affected by the conditions on which the various Jewish bodies hold, sell and lease their land.

The Constitution of the Jewish Agency: Land Holding and Employment Clauses.The Constitution of the Jewish Agency for Palestine was signed at Zurich on 14th August, 1920. Article 3 (d) and (e) read as follows :

" (d) Land is to be acquired as Jewish property and subject to the provisions of Article 10 of this Agreement, the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people.

" (e) The Agency shall promote agricultural colonisation based on Jewish labour, and in all works or undertakings carried out or furthered by the Agency, it shall be deemed to be a matter of principle that Jewish labour shall be employed . . . ."

KerenKayemeth draft lease: Employment of Jewish labour only. I have been favoured with copies of the draft of the lease which it is proposed to execute in respect of all holdings granted by the KerenKayemeth (Jewish National Fund). The following is Article 23 of this lease :

" . . . . The lessee undertakes to execute all works connected with the cultivation of the holding only with Jewish labour. Failure to comply with this duty by the employment of nonJewish labour shall render the lessee liable to the payment of a compensation of ten Palestinian pounds for each default. The fact of the employment of nonJewish labour shall constitute adequate proof as to the damages and the amount thereof, and the right of the Fund to be paid the compensation referred to, and it shall not be necessary to serve on the lessee any notarial or other notice. Where the lessee has contravened the provisions of this Article three times the Fund may apply the right of restitution of the holding, without paying any compensation whatever."

The lease also provides that the holding shall never be held by any but a Jew. If the holder, being a Jew, dies, leaving as his heir a nonJew, the Fund shall obtain the right of restitution. Prior to the enforcement of the right of restitution, the Fund must give the heir three months' notice, within which period the heir shall transfer his rights to a Jew, otherwise the Fund may enforce the right of restitution and the heir may not oppose such enforcement.

KerenHayesod Agreements: Employment of labour.In the agreement for the repayment of advances made by the KerenHayesod (Palestine Foundation Fund) to settlers in the colonies in the Maritime Plain the following provisions are included :

" Article 7.The settler hereby undertakes that he will during the continuance of any of the said advances, reside upon the said agricultural holding and do all his farm work by himself or with the aid of his family, and that, if and whenever he may be obliged to hire help, he will hire Jewish workmen only."

In the similar agreement for the Emek colonies there is a provision as follows :
" Article 11.The settler undertakes to work the said holding personally, or with the aid of his family, and not to hire any outside labour except Jewish labourers."


pg 54:
Zionist policy in regard to Arabs in their colonies.The above quoted provisions sufficiently illustrate the Zionist policy with regard to the Arabs in their colonies. Attempts are constantly being made to establish the advantage which Jewish settlement has brought to the Arab..... The provisions quoted above, which are included in legal documents binding on every settler in a Zionist colony, are not compatible with the sentiments publicly expressed.

i.e. The Zionists SAY that they are bringing benefits to the Arabs, but their constitutions and practices don't match their spin. (And this is 1930 remember!!)
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The effect of the apartheid policy:


The effect of the Zionist colonisation policy on the Arab. Actually the result of the purchase of land in Palestine by the Jewish National Fund has been that land has been extraterritorialised. It ceases to be land from which the Arab can gain any advantage either now or at any time in the future.

Not only can he never hope to lease or to cultivate it, but, by the stringent provisions of the lease of the Jewish National Fund, he is deprived for ever from employment on that land. Nor can anyone help him by purchasing the land and restoring it to common use. The land is in mortmain and inalienable. It is for this reason that Arabs discount the professions of friendship and good will on the part of the Zionists in view of the policy which the Zionist Organisation deliberately adopted.


Here are the reasons the Zionists gave for their apartheid policies:

Reasons for the exclusion of the Arab.

Attempts were made to ascertain the reasons for these drastic provisions directed to exclude every Arab from the land purchased. The Executive of the General Federation of Jewish Labour were perfectly frank on the subject. They pointed out that the Jewish colonies were founded and established by Jewish capital, and that the subscriptions of which this capital is composed were given with the intention that Jews should emigrate to Palestine and be settled therethat these subscriptions would never have been given had it been thought that they would be employed to support Arab labourersthat it was the business of the Zionist Organisation to cause immigration into Palestine of as many Jews as possible, and that, if Arabs were employed, posts would thus be filled up for which Jews might have immigratedthat the position of agricultural labourer in the colonies, when occupied by a Jew, serves as a training for the immigrant and prepares him to take over a holding himself at a later dateand, finally, that if these posts were left open to the ordinary competition of the labour market, the standard of life of the Jewish labourer would be liable to fall to the lower standard of the Arab.


The problem though, is that the apartheid policies are illegal (well, against Article 6 of the Mandate):

Policy contrary to Article 6 of Mandate.

All these arguments are thoroughly logical, and have a basis in fact. They are, however, irrelevant, in view of the provisions of Article 6 of the Mandate. The principle of the persistent and deliberate boycott of Arab labour in the Zionist colonies is not only contrary to the provisions of that article of the Mandate, but it is in addition a constant and increasing source of danger to the country.

At the moment this .policy is confined to the Zionist colonies, but the General Federation of Jewish Labour is using every effort to ensure that it shall be extended to the colonies of the P.I.C.A., and this with some considerable success. Great pressure is. being brought to bear on the old P.I.C.A. colonies in the Maritime Plain and its neighbourhoodpressure which in one instance at least has compelled police intervention. As a symptom of that pressure may be cited the construction of a labour Kvutzoth (communal colony) on the outskirts of the P.I.C.A. village of Nessziona. It is certain that the employers of that village will not be able to resist the arguments of the General Federation, reinforced by the appeals of the vigorous labour colony at its gates.

That this replacement of Arab labour by Jewish labour is a definite policy of the Zionist Organisation is also evident from the following quotation, taken from '' A Guide to Jewish Palestine '', published by the Head Office of the KerenKayemeth Leisrael The Jewish National Fundand the KerenHayesod, at Jerusalem in 1930 :

" .... up to the end of the war the old plantation settlements employed practically only Arab workers. The transfer of Jewish labourers into the old villages has been a source of constant care of the Zionist Executive, which latterly succeeded in placing approximately 6,500 workers in these centres, chiefly in the form of Havuroth, i.e., closely organised groups, which contract with farmers for specific pieces of work, and are themselves settled on small farms. Under this category come also the Yemenite settlements near the plantation villages . . . . "
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And finally, Hope Simpson's warning:

(pg 55)
It will be a matter of great regret if the friendly spirit which characterised the relations between the Jewish employer in the P.I.C.A. villages and his Arab employees, to which reference was already been made, were to disappear. Unless there is some change of spirit in the policy of the Zionist Organisation it seems inevitable that the General Federation of Jewish Labour, which dominates that policy, will succeed in extending its principles to all the Jewish colonies in Palestine.

The present position, precluding any employment of Arabs in the Zionist colonies, is undesirable, from the point of view both of justice and of the good government of the country. As long as these provisions exist in the Constitution of the Zionist Organisation, in the lease of the KerenKayemeth and in the agreement of the KerenHayesod it cannot be regarded as desirable that large areas of land should be transferred to the Jewish National Fund. It is impossible to view with equanimity the extension of an enclave in Palestine from which all Arabs are excluded. The Arab population already regards the transfer of lands to Zionist hands with dismay and alarm. These cannot be dismissed as baseless in the light of the Zionist policy which is described above.




Conclusion - Zionist apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund and not Jewishness of the immigrants was a problem. Ironically the 'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' got on well with the Arab Palestinians, but seem to have succumbed to the Zionist policies and reverses these early successes.


It is hard to see how the pro-Israeli posters will spin the above facts, but I'm sure they will have a good go.

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It is worth bearing in mind that subsequent to this report, immigration from Europe was curtailed by Britain.

The Zionist reaction was to resort to violence and give birth to the modern day terrorist organisation. This culiminated in the King David Hotel bombing and atrocities such as booby-trapping the bodies of British soldiers that the terrorists had killed. The terrorists then turned their attention to Palestinian residents - notably the 'war crime' at Deir Yassin in 1948 - by the Irgun, whose leader states on record that the slaughter of the villagers was intended to induce panic amongst the Arabs.

What is enlightening is that in 1930 the seeds of the later troubles had been planted and predicted, but there was still hope that the practices of the 'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' may prevail over the apartheid Zionist policies. That was not to be.

What is further enlightening is that Hope-Simpson put a spotlight on the hypocrisy of the Zionists - contrasting their spin and their actions, in relation to treatment of Arab citizens of Palestine.

Therefore the current day tactics have a long pedigree.

What is less surprising is that all the summaries of this detailed report have sought to air-brush these important facts out. Recall that I only went to read this report after FD cited it for the passing reference that illegal immigration by Arabs also took place prior to 1930 (which the report does indeed say), but on immigration it gives clear statistics on Arab vs European immigration and pinpoints the problem as to one of Zionist practice. I don't blame FD for not knowing this, as I suspect he picked up the reference from a website which only showed the selective spin that suits the Zionist message.

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Oh dear, the inaccuracies in your summary post deserve their own separate threads.

Do you ever get tired of pretending to be an expert on issues you have very basic to fragmentary knowledge of, just wondering?

That reminds me of when you were pontificating on the Bible but mistook who the actual author was - apparently you were not aware that Jesus did not author any of the Epistles.

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But commenting on the mistakes you made would be a waste of time.

Criticisms of the report have already been posted as well as criticisms of your over reliance of the report, therefore ignoring all other information that has been presented.

Using the word apartheid to describe the policies of private land owners in hiring Jews is absurd. It was not government policy, but the practice of small business owners. Jews could hire Arabs if they wanted and there is no doubt that Arab employers could have hired their unemployed Arab brethren to work the fields of the rapidly expanding citrus and date fields.

The other thread already has links to websites that have dealt with the Hope Simpson report. This thread is nothing more than a way for you to drop power words like 'apartheid' or 'fascism'. Ignoring that using apartheid in this thread is anachronistic, there is no doubt that Arabs in Palestine hired only Arab labor.

My other question has still gone unanswered, as well. How would halting Jewish immigration help to reduce the small percentage of Arabs who were unemployed at the time? I am still baffled at the logic that Jews arriving in Palestine would increase unemployment even if they only hired Jews.

Ironically I don't see any calls of apartheid against Black small business owners in the US who hire only Black workers and I don't see anyone calling Black community leaders who call on Black businesses to hire only Blacks racists.
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I'm quoting the report and stating the fact that I could not find these parts of the report on the summaries available on sites you've quoted.

You seem to be inventing an alternative reality in which you are refuting 'arguments' or 'mistakes' I've made by imagining that a. I've made mistakes and that b. your links to web sites corrects these mistakes.

Here, I've quoted verbatim the Zionist colonial regulations and how in 1930 they had apartheid as an explicit policy (contrasting it with the benign Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association). When you find a 'mistake' or a refutation of these facts, please post it - we aren't clairvoyant and can't see into your fantasies where you have re-written history. (I mean, you weren't even aware of this aspect of the report until you read it this week)

The problem was not with Europeans immigrating and settling in the colonies set up by the Palestinian Jewish Colonisation Association - there the Arabs and Jews did get along and the Arabs did benefit from the immigration.

The problem is with the apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund. This was in 1930 - before WWII and the Holocaust!

You really want to have your cake and eat it. You point to instances where Jewish immigration was good for Arabs (points not denied), but ignore that it was the apartheid policies which denied Arabs this earlier benefit that caused the problems.

I also see a weak attempt to equate the Zionist apartheid policies (which were also illegal) with US employment practices. Wow.

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Stuck on repeating-yourself-mode, today?


The problem is with the apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund.


What was the problem, exactly?

How would halting Jewish immigration improve Arab unemployment ?

I also see a weak attempt to equate the Zionist apartheid policies (which were also illegal) with US employment practices. Wow.


I see a weak attempt to equate apartheid with employment policies of private landowners.

Next you'll be saying that if Jim Jones doesn't hire the kid with freckles to mow his lawn, he'll be practicing apartheid.

yeah.
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So, let me get this straight.

The racist/apartheid policies quoted above don't bother you - and you are asking what the problem is with the policies?

Well, Hope-Simpson covers this in detail and I posted this above:
dubai-politics-talk/zionist-apartheid-policies-1930-palestine-t42211.html#p339563

1. he explains what the effect of the apartheid policy was
2. He points out it is illegal (contrary to the mandate)
3.He warns that this is also unjust and will cause problems:

The present position, precluding any employment of Arabs in the Zionist colonies, is undesirable, from the point of view both of justice and of the good government of the country [Shafique: Note he refers to Palestine as a country!].

As long as these provisions exist in the Constitution of the Zionist Organisation, in the lease of the KerenKayemeth and in the agreement of the KerenHayesod it cannot be regarded as desirable that large areas of land should be transferred to the Jewish National Fund.

It is impossible to view with equanimity the extension of an enclave in Palestine from which all Arabs are excluded. The Arab population already regards the transfer of lands to Zionist hands with dismay and alarm. These cannot be dismissed as baseless in the light of the Zionist policy which is described above.


And this was at a time when the Jewish National Fund had less land than that of the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association!

Facts dear boy, facts.

Hope Simpson is also explcit in his analysis and conclusion on why the European Zionist immigration should stop and what the effect on employment of Arabs would be. The report has clearly labelled sections dealing with exactly this point - you can easily refer to them.


I have to say, though, congratulations to you on not denying the elephant in the room here. The tensions between Arab Palestinians (Muslim and Christian) and the European immigrants is now shown with empirical evidence to be based on disenfranchisement rather than religion -for the PICA colonists did indeed get on well with their non-Jewish neighbours, but the Zionists chose the path of apartheid.

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shafique wrote:This was in 1930 - before WWII and the Holocaust!


And after the Arab Jaffa and Hebron progroms of 1921 and 1929 against Jews.

Private companies in South Africa are also free to only hire black or white employees.
And I donot consider the current South African government as apartheid because of the The Black Economic Empowerment.

Lets not forget that the report advocates a transfer of populations.
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You're not trying to justify the apartheid policies by any chance are you FD? Surely not.

Yes, I agree that the report in 1930 was conducted after the Jaffa and Hebron riots - but was not specifically about the riots (previous commissions were). The report was commissioned for the reason given in the opening paragraph (and graphically describes the good relations Arabs and Jews had in the PICA colonies- IN 1930 - he explicitly makes the point that the race relations/tensions therefore stemmed from the racist attitudes/actions and not from a religious or other motivation on the Arabs part).

Opening paragraph:
In accordance with Your Lordship's instructions I proceeded to Palestine in order to examine on the spot the questions of immigration, land settlement and development on which you desired that I should report.


However, you are right - there is indeed racial discrimination in South Africa at the time - which makes the analysis and warning by Hope Simpson all the more relevant.

What seems to have been air-brushed out of Zionist history though, is the fact that the first colonists weren't racist and got on well with the Arabs. The Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association eventually were forced to adopt the racist agenda of the Jewish National Fund - and the rest is history, as they say.

But in 1930, before the Holocaust, we see one group of Colonists with a racist agenda, one without - and we see that the practice of saying one thing and doing another has already begun. And we can't blame Hitler for this.

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Lesch's article is an amplification of the thesis propagated by Arab Palestinians and anti-Zionists since the inception of the Zionist movement, that Zionist settlement of Palestine was aimed at dislocating the Arabs and would have that effect. The unspoken reasoning behind the thesis was that Palestine was like a full box. If one person was put into the box, another would have to be taken out. The idea spread rapidly among the Arabs of Palestine, who managed to convince the British as well, and caused them to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. That was the result of anti-Zionism and its impact.

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Zionism and its Impact on Displacement of Arab Farmers

In 1936, a commission of inquiry found that 654 Palestinian families had lost their lands as the result of Zionist purchases, out of a total of 61,408 Arab families that owned or tenanted land. In other words, slightly over 1%. These families lost 46,633 dunams of land, which is less than 1% of the 6,440,000 dunams of land in Palestine that were deemed to be arable.4 That was the extent of the dispossession.

The land purchase used to dramatize the dispossession of the Arabs of the Galilee was the purchase of the Sursuk lands in the Valley of Jezreel. The Sursuks were absentee landlords who lived in Beirut. Much of the land had fallen into disuse, and was unirrigated. The claims of the Arabs of dispossession by this purchase were examined by Sir John Hope Simpson in 1930. The Simpson commission was set up to examine the causes of the riots of 1929. Very likely it was clear from the start that its purpose was to blame the riots on Zionist immigration, and to justify a finding that would require curtailment of Jewish immigration to Palestine. This they did. However, despite having every motivation to blame the Zionists for "dispossession" of Palestinian Arabs, Simpson wrote:

Government responsibility towards Arab cultivators.—The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay. It was not their business, but the business of the Government to see to it that the position of the Arabs was not adversely affected by the transaction. In Article 6 of the Mandate it is the duty of the Administration of Palestine to ensure that the rights and position of the Arabs are not prejudiced by Jewish immigration. It is doubtful whether, in the matter of the Sursock lands, this Article of the Mandate received sufficient consideration.5

Thus, contrary to the assertions of Lesch and others, the Zionists did take into account the existence of the Arab population, and did consider their needs and the demands of justice and compromise.

Moreover, Simpson quotes from a letter by Yehoshua Hankin, the Zionist land agent, who stated:

" . . . . Had we desired to disregard the interests of such workers of the land as are dependent, directly or indirectly, upon lands of the landlords, we could have acquired large and unlimited areas, but in the course of our conversation I have pointed out to you that this has not been our policy and that, when acquiring lands, it is our ardent wish not to prejudice or do harm to the interests of anybody. "



shafique wrote:and we see that the practice of saying one thing and doing another has already begun.


Yes, kind of like quoting Hamas politicians writing editorials to Westerners about the holocaust and Hamas officials in Gaza saying quite another thing.

However, in the case of Jewish immigration to Palestine, we see improvements to the Palestinian economy that can only be explained by the presence of the Jews:

Zionism and its Impact on Arab Economy

Despite the claims of the Mufti and his supporters, Arabs prospered in mandatory Palestine, whether because of improved British administration, or because of Zionist investment. Zionist investment in industry in Palestine was considerable and was noted by the British in their mandatory reports. True, the investment resulted only in creation of industries owned by Jews, but these industries also employed Arabs and did business with Arab businesses. Lesch claims that Jewish enterprises employed few Arabs. She does not mention that Arab enterprises employed almost no Jews at all.

The Simpson Report5 of 1930 noted:

Of existing industrial establishments 1,236, with a total capital in excess of one million pounds were in existence before the War. Since the War therefore the number of establishments had increased up to the date of the Industrial Census by 2,269 or 183 per cent, and the capital by two and a half million pounds, or 250 per cent. This is a very material increase and it is [i]almost entirely due to the importation of Jewish capital and the immigration of a Jewish population. [/i]


Zionism and its Impact:
Economic Performance and Standards of Living In Middle East Economies: 1932-1936 6


Per Capita Industrial Per Capita Net Productivity
Income Daily Wages Consumption Per Agricultural
of Foodstuff Workerd

Egypt 12 NA 16.0 90.1

Syria 13 50-310 19.0 97.6

Iraq 10 40-60 13.8 93.2

Transjordan NA NA NA 90.1

Arab 19 70-500 22.9 186.3
Palestinians


Clearly there is no evidence in the above figures to suggest that anyone was dispossessing the Palestinian Arabs or impoverishing them or wrecking their society. The greater prosperity of the Arabs of Palestine, was at least compatible with, and very possibly, it was in large measure due to, Zionism and its impact.

In 1922, there were 22,000 dunams of Arab land producing citrus crops. In 1940, there were 140,000 dunams of Arab citrus land, mostly producing crop for export in Palestine. In 1931 Arabs had 332,000 dunams of olive groves and apple orchards. By 1942 they had 832,000 dunams under cultivation.7

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The causes of Rural Arab Landlessness

The causes of landlessness among rural Arabs in Palestine were examined in detail by Kenneth Stein.11 They had little or nothing to do with Zionist settlement. Archaic land laws and the ill-begotten Tanzimat reform favored large and prosperous classes, who had been gradually buying up the land of smallholders. The devastation wrought by the Turks during World War I contributed to the indebtedness of smallholders, who were being forced to sell to rich magnates. They were also pressed by importation of inexpensive foreign agricultural produce. The extent of landlessness was also deliberately exaggerated by Hope Simpson, by erroneous interpretation of data. 12




http://www.zionism-israel.com/impact_of_zionism.htm

Simpson was laboring under a misunderstanding of the causes for why the Pal-Arabs lost their jobs. According to Yehoshia Henkin, the Jews were careful to buy land where there were very few Pal-Arabs living on. In the cases where there were Arab squatters, they were generously paid off by the Jews and, in many cases, after payment they still continued to squat on Jewish owned land. In any event, it was not an obligation for the Jews to compensate illegal squatters but the Jews still paid the Arabs. The was the responsibility of the British, even Simpson acknowledged this in his report where he begrudgingly 'praised' what the Jews had done.

The facts also show that the immediate effects of Jewish land purchases, something that you started a thread on, were overblown. Only one percent of Arabs were displaced as a result of Zionist land purchases. And that's ignoring that the Zionists compensated the Arabs.

The Zionists brought their modern agricultural techniques with them to Palestine and the Pal-Arab landowners benefited greatly from Western methods of agriculture and farming. Overall, the economy of Palestine improved dramatically since the end of the Great War, Jews were the ones who invested into Palestine, not Pal-Arabs, and every category for standard of living showed that Pal-Arabs were doing better than their neighbors (and even Eastern Europeans).
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The origin of the conflict is the clash between Arab Nationalism and jewish self-determination. Arab nationalism resulted in severe surpression of minorities in Morocco, Syria and Iraq just to name a few, and the embracement of nazism. Arab nationalism also resulted in the Jaffa and Hebron progroms.

Zionism isn't racist its nationalistic.
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Simpson was laboring under a misunderstanding of the causes for why the Pal-Arabs lost their jobs. According to Yehoshia Henkin, the Jews were careful to buy land where there were very few Pal-Arabs living on.


Nice attempt.

Fact still remains, the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonies did not have the apartheid policies detailed above of the Jewish National Fund (which neither eh or FD have disputed, but rather sought to excuse), and in 1930 had good relations with their Arab neighbours.

As I said, in 1930, before the Holocaust, we see one group of Colonists with a racist agenda, one without - and we see that the practice of saying one thing and doing another has already begun. And we can't blame Hitler for this.

Cutting and pasting the attempts to airbrush these facts out of documented history is funny to watch - please continue (just let me know when you actually address the Apartheid policies and excuses quoted). ;)

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Re: Zionist Apartheid policies in 1930 Palestine Jun 11, 2010
*Yawn*

When you don't have an argument, the next best thing is to ignore the opposing arguments.

You've already been informed that very few Pal-Arabs were directly effected by Jewish land purchases (and we also know that out of a population of one million Arabs, only 4.000 were unemployed). Further, the Arabs who were squatters on Jewish land were generously paid by the Jews, not by the Government.

So, we're back to the old chestnut that the Jews had to have hired Arabs to work the land. As opposed to, you know, who ever they darn well pleased - it's not like they owned the land and it's not like it was their money to use as they pleased or anything.

But hey, maybe the next time Bob Smith doesn't hire the kid with freckles to mow his yard, you can go to his door and accuse him of practicing apartheid!

Oh, and let me know how the Arabs were affected by the practice of Jewish landowners hiring only Jewish labor. And please explain how halting legal Jewish immigration would have resulted in Arab unemployment (less than 1%) going down.
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Interesting interpretation that I'm ignoring arguments.

I'm actually still waiting for any evidence that the conclusions brought out in the Hope-Simpson report of 1930 listed below, are not supported by the report generally or the specific quotes I gave.

I've not even seen any argument/evidence/quote that disputes the specific numbered conclusions below.

shafique wrote:Conclusion based on what is below - Zionist apartheid policies of the Jewish National Fund and not Jewishness of the immigrants is the problem in Palestine (as the country was called in 1930 when this report was written). Ironically the 'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' got on well with the Arab Palestinians, but seem to have succumbed to the Zionist policies and reverses these early successes.


Quoting from the Hope Simpson report of 1930
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/E3E ... 19004F057C

We have the following revelations -
1. The Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association had more colonies and land than the later Jewish National Fund colonies, which Hope Simpson called 'Zionist colonies'
2. The Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonists got on well with Arab Palestinians, and there was mutual benefit.
3. The Zionist colonies had racist rules in their articles of association and this led to the exclusion of Arabs from land owned by the Jewish National Fund.
4. Hope Simpson warned that the Zionist's were trying to get the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonies to adopt their rules (and subsequently, this indeed is what happened).
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It is notable that the majority of Jewish Colonies (with immigrants from Europe) was called the :
'Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association' - notable for the words 'Palestine' and 'Colonisation'.

What is a revelation is that despite these overt 'it does what it says on the tin' name, the colonists from Europe - Jewish immigrants - got on well with the Arab Palestinians. There was no 'Jihad' against the semitic brethren from Europe.


When you have some evidence against conclusions 1 to 4, let me know and I'll respond.

Until then, it appears you wish to tackle other issues and therefore tacitly agree that you can't dispute the quotes and conclusions of the first few posts.

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You should pay attention more. Your third point has been addressed so often now that I'm seriously starting to question whether you are able to read - or if you just type out scripted responses.

3. The Zionist colonies had racist rules in their articles of association and this led to the exclusion of Arabs from land owned by the Jewish National Fund.


Whatever 'exclusion' that affected the Pal-Arabs was minimal, to say the least. Unemployment among Pal-Arabs was under five percent, one percent of Arab squatters lost the land they were squatting on (but were paid generously by the Jews, which they were not obligated to do).

We have a quote from one spokesman speaking for the JNF saying that it was not the policy of the Jews to buy lands where there were many Arabs who were tied directly to the lands. Considering the above, I can safely say that his words are believable, unlike another 'spokesman' from Hamas making wild claims to naive Westerners.

So, this seems to boil down to Jewish immigrants owning land and using their money however they wished.

Last I checked, private citizens are *not* the government. If these Jewish landowners wanted to spend their money purchasing pink flamingos, no one would have made a fuss.

Oh, and remind me again how the policies of the JNF hurt Arab unemployment and the Palestinian economy ?

I want to know how halting Jewish immigration would have helped reduce Arab unemployment. But you seem to be avoiding my question.
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So, there's no disagreement that the Zionist apartheid policies were accurately quoted. You just think the 'exclusion'/apartheid is 'minimal'. Hmm.

Your excuses for the apartheid policies of the Zionist colonists (as opposed to the integrationist policy of the majority Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association colonists) are no more convincing as the ones given by the Zionists in 1930 in the report and quoted above. Hope-Simpson's findings are also still relevant - the excuses for the apartheid policy are irrelevant and the policy itself is illegal and of course immoral.

There's no disagreement that the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association immigrants did not have an apartheid policy and those European Jewish immigrants got on well with the Arabs. The difference is that the Zionist immigrants wanted apartheid. Let's recall that these same Zionists resorted to terrorism to protest that Britain wasn't letting them bring in even more immigrants, and the same Zionists then committed war crimes against the Arabs. The seeds of this problem were sown before WWII and don't stem from a relgious animosity (by Muslims against Jews), but rather by Arabs against Zionists.

Arabs got on well with the Palestinian Jewish Colonisation Association immigrants, who were in the majority in 1930. Unfortunately the Zionists did eventually get to take over the PICA colonies, and the rest is history.


As for the effect of the apartheid policies -this is what the report says:
The effect of the Zionist colonisation policy on the Arab.

Actually the result of the purchase of land in Palestine by the Jewish National Fund has been that land has been extraterritorialised. It ceases to be land from which the Arab can gain any advantage either now or at any time in the future.

Not only can he never hope to lease or to cultivate it, but, by the stringent provisions of the lease of the Jewish National Fund, he is deprived for ever from employment on that land. Nor can anyone help him by purchasing the land and restoring it to common use. The land is in mortmain and inalienable. It is for this reason that Arabs discount the professions of friendship and good will on the part of the Zionists in view of the policy which the Zionist Organisation deliberately adopted.



Do you disagree with Hope-Simpson that the racist policies were also illegal - because they went against the Mandate? He states what he concludes the apartheid policy will be:

Policy contrary to Article 6 of Mandate.

.. The principle of the persistent and deliberate boycott of Arab labour in the Zionist colonies is not only contrary to the provisions of that article of the Mandate, but it is in addition a constant and increasing source of danger to the country.


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Re: Zionist Apartheid policies in 1930 Palestine Jun 13, 2010
Here we go again. More scripted responses where I doubt you're actually addressing something I wrote.

So, there's no disagreement that the Zionist apartheid policies were accurately quoted. You just think the 'exclusion'/apartheid is 'minimal'. Hmm.


Actually, the entire point of my previous posts is that the actions of private owners of landing in choosing who to hire is *not* apartheid.

Private citizens aren't the government.

Learn to read, snowball.

the excuses for the apartheid policy are irrelevant and the policy itself is illegal and of course immoral


Tell that to small black business owners across the United States that they are immoral for hiring only black or non-white workers.

The seeds of this problem were sown before WWII and don't stem from a relgious animosity (by Muslims against Jews), but rather by Arabs against Zionists.


That's why there was a 33 day long pogrom against the native Jewish population in Palestine before there were any European Jews to immigrate there.

Our North Korean minister of propaganda has spoken.

Unfortunately the Zionists did eventually get to take over the PICA colonies, and the rest is history.


Ironically, the JNF became the main player as a result of Pal-Arab terrorism in the 1936-9 rebellion.

Ever get tired of making a mockery of yourself, snowball?

Do you disagree with Hope-Simpson that the racist policies were also illegal - because they went against the Mandate? He states what he concludes the apartheid policy will be:


So, what we have are Zionists who bought up land (legally) from Arab landlords, etc. As we learned already, one percent of Arabs were directly affected by the land purchases but they were generously compensated by the Zionists (something the illegal Arab immigrants didn't do when they took jobs from the native Arab workers).

The British did not remove illegal squatters on Jewish land. So, often times Arabs continued to squat on Jewish land until 1948 when they were told to leave, *after* they were compensated by the Jews.

As far as not hiring Arab workers, I see that you still have not answered my question. Farming was not a profitable career for the Pal-Arab. During this time, Arabs were leaving the rural farms of Palestine and moving to the urban centers to work as unskilled laborers.

In short, Arabs living on Jewish land were paid money that they would not have acquired if they continued living on the land. And forget about those not living on the land who supposedly would have been hired to harvest the crop, wouldn't have happened.

So, the Jews come around, buy land, pay the people living on the land a tidy sum. My question is, how would halting Jewish immigration and preventing Jews from buying more land to hire only Jewish workers have helped lower Arab unemployment ?

This question has been asked more times than I care to count, yet I still have not received so much as a tepid acknowledgment of my question. Let me know ahead of time when you come up with an answer so I don't spit soda on my keyboard in laughter.
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So, reading your responses carefully shows that you don't dispute that the Zionist colonists had racist policies, but that you don't like these being called 'apartheid policies' because at the time they weren't part of the government.

With all due respect, re-read the title of this thread. The evidence has been produced and not refuted, shows that in 1930 (before the Holocaust) Zionist colonials were causing trouble by imposing racist policies which went against morals and the law (they violated the Mandate).

I didn't see any scintilla of an attempt to address this point in your posts - just excuses why the Zionists should not be criticised for their apartheid policy. (Apartheid meaning literally 'separation' and specifically racial separation - both of which literally apply in these explicit policies).

But excuses apart, the fact that there is no dispute that Zionists did have apartheid policies in 1930 based on race, and that Hope-Simpson rightly forecast that this was dangerous for the country of Palestine, is the point I wanted to make in this thread.

Happy to start a new thread and discuss Hope-Simpsons findings about the effect of employment as a result of the immigration up to 1930.

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What he doesn’t probably know that those zionist colonials were part of “the jewish underground” defence forces. Had he known a bit of knowledge about underground forces activities then it would be clearly evident that they had racist, zionist, apartheid like policies to get hold of -so to speak- promised lands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmach
http://www.zionism-israel.com/Haganah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://www.haaretz.com/news/colin-firth ... d-1.263319
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Berrin - it is indeed interesting to see how the Zionist organisations developed after 1930 and how they resorted to terrorism against the British (including booby trapping soldiers they killed, and blowing up the King David hotel).

But whilst that transition is relatively well known, the fact that in 1930 the Zionists were the minority colonists and the majority of European Jewish immigrants belonged to the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association is less well known. The revelation that the majority of Jewish immigrants got on well with their Arab neighbours because they did not have the apartheid policy of the JNF (Zionists as Hope-Simpson labels them), is the 'inconvenient truth' that doesn't seem to make an appearance in any pro-Israeli website that summarises Hope-Simpson report of 1930.

At least it is now clear that the friction between the European Zionist immigrants was not over religion, but rather over the Zionists' apartheid policies and actions. The more enlightened Palestine Jewish Colonisation European Immigrants chose to be good citizens and the Arab Palestinians, in 1930, got on well with these Jewish Europeans immigrants.

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But excuses apart, the fact that there is no dispute that Zionists did have apartheid policies in 1930 based on race, and that Hope-Simpson rightly forecast that this was dangerous for the country of Palestine, is the point I wanted to make in this thread.


Did someone log on under my screen name and churn out a post that would lead you to believe that ?

I thought my posts were clear that the second part of your statement is what's in dispute.

Illicit (illegal) Arab immigration offered little benefit to the Pal-Arab whereas Zionist immigration undoubtedly benefited the Pal-Arabs. And that includes members of PICA since they were Zionists, by definition, as well. It could hardly be said that illegal Arab immigration affected fewer Arabs than Zionist land purchases, too.

As for the Jews legally buying land and compensating the Arabs, the belief that they hurt the Pal-Arabs in any way seems to be completely overblown. Unless you believe that slightly more than one percent of people in a particular field of work being directly affected is a lot to you (ignoring their compensation).

-- Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:00 am --

Berrin wrote:What he doesn’t probably know that those zionist colonials were part of “the jewish underground” defence forces. Had he known a bit of knowledge about underground forces activities then it would be clearly evident that they had racist, zionist, apartheid like policies to get hold of -so to speak- promised lands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmach
http://www.zionism-israel.com/Haganah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
http://www.haaretz.com/news/colin-firth ... d-1.263319



What's actually interesting is that the Arabs were the first to carry out terror attacks, including the first ones to use the now infamous 'car bomb'.

But hey, I forget I'm talking to North Korea's minister of propaganda, where fantasy versions of history are told with a straight face.
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I understand your strong desire to move the subject on to the Zionist spin about immigration.

However, I did invite you to look at the title of this thread and realise that no amount of bluster will disguise the fact you are now just trying to excuse the Apartheid Policies of the Zionist colonials (who were in the minority) in 1930.

We can certainly move on to the terrorism that the Zionists resorted once the British didn't let them have their way, but that is another discussion for another thread.

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This week the Israeli High Court ruled that ultra-religious Jews could not impose apartheid in their school BETWEEN groups of Jews. Now, if there are Jews who are being racist to other Jews - one shudders to think what these Jews think of Arabs! (Kudos to the Israeli High Court for saying that the segregation should not occur - but the parents aren't budging and are saying they're willing to be locked up).



Here's some of the background
The Ashkenazi students of the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yaakov girls' school in Immanuel stayed home on Wednesday, yet again, as part of an organized protest against the decision by the Education Ministry and High Court to end the segregation between Sephardi and Ashkenazi students.
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"It's like putting Americans and Africans together. They can't study together with such huge mental differences," he said. ( :shock: :shock: )
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"It's better for everyone to have separate study programs. This way each student keeps his identity - just like you wouldn't play Mizrahi and classical music on the same radio show," another resident said.

The school has 215 students from first to eighth grade, 35 percent of whom are Sephardi.

"It's a disgrace to this place, the ministry must intervene to stop the segregation once and for all," the father of one Mizrahi student said. "The Ashkenazis think they're more intelligent than we are, but what really bugs them is our skin color."


http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/ashkenazi-parent-sephardi-girls-have-a-bad-influence-on-our-girls-1.1513

And the court ruling article from yesterday:
Court tells Ashkenazi parents in Immanuel settlement to return their daughters to school with Sephardi students, or face two-week jail sentence.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/high-court-to-west-bank-parents-desegregate-school-or-face-jail-time-1.296299


Aren't these Ashkenazi not just living up to the ideals of the 1930's Zionists?

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Well, a quarter (28%) of Israeli Jews are from mixed marriages.

But I guess we should believe some spin from a religious fanatic.

Anyways, any comment on the statistical errors in the hope simpson report ???
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event horizon wrote:Well, a quarter (28%) of Israeli Jews are from mixed marriages.

But I guess we should believe some spin from a religious fanatic.

Anyways, any comment on the statistical errors in the hope simpson report ???


And the other 72% are from family.
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event horizon wrote:Well, a quarter (28%) of Israeli Jews are from mixed marriages.


As the Hope Simpson report showed, in 1930 the majority of the Jewish immigrants weren't racist and were living well with the Arabs. It is the Zionists who insisted on their apartheid rules and spoiled it for then majority.

As I said, it appears that there are still those who are willing to go to prison instead of giving up apartheid (and this is WITHIN the Jewish community!)

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