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chevaliers-de-sion wrote:Turkish and American experts, however, are increasingly alarmed about the growing amount of danger on the fault lines between Muslims and Russians.

Two female suicide bombers killed 39 people and injured 63 on packed Moscow metro trains on Monday. Suspected suicide bombers killed at least 12 people in Russia’s North Caucasus

Two female suicide bombers will they aslo get 77 virgins ?

chevaliers-de-sion wrote:
Turkish and American experts, however, are increasingly alarmed about the growing amount of danger on the fault lines between Muslims and Russians.

Two female suicide bombers killed 39 people and injured 63 on packed Moscow metro trains on Monday. Suspected suicide bombers killed at least 12 people in Russia’s North Caucasus

Two female suicide bombers will they aslo get 77 virgins ?

Moderate Moslems say killing oneself, for any reason, is haram and takes the killer to Hell!

But that’s a good question CDS!!!

Tom Jones wrote:
Yeah, Shaf. I’d like to know too. Forget these girls, but what happens to other good Moslem women who go to Heaven?? Men get to enjoy virgins made especially for them. What about the women???

Qur'an
The houri are mentioned in several places in the Qur’an, although in plural no specifics are given as to the number of houries available. Likewise it does not appear from the Qur’an that only girls should be available;
both sexes are mentioned. And they are made available to all Muslims, not just martyrs.

"Thus shall it be. And We shall pair(zawajnahoom: pair them, marry them). Note zawj (lit., “a pair” or - according to the context - “one of a pair”) applies to either of the two sexes,a man to a woman and a woman to a man, as does the transitive verb zawaja, “he paired” or “joined”, i.e., one person with another)[31]them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye."[Chapter (Surah) Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke)(44):54][32]

"In these [gardens] will be mates of modest gaze [qasirat at-tarf: Lit., “such as restrain their gaze”, i.e., are of modest bearing and have eyes only for their mates (Tafsir Razi).This phrase applies to both genders.[4]], whom neither man nor invisible being will have touched ere then." [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent(55):56][33]

"[There the blest will live with their] companions pure and modest, in pavilions [splendid] [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent)(55):72][34]

"reclining on couches [of happiness] ranged in rows!” And [in that paradise] We shall mate them with companions pure, most beautiful of eye [Chapter (Surah) At-Tur (The Mount)(52):20][35]

Here are verses that refer to one’s spouse recreated in the hereafter:

"And [with them will be their] spouses, raised high: for, behold, We shall have brought them into being in a life renewed, having resurrected them as virgins [Chapter (Surah) Al-Waqi'a (The Event)(56):34-36][36]

And among His wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind [min anfusikum azwajan, Lit. “from among yourselves mates (spouses, one of the pair)”] so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think! ... And He it is who creates [all life] in the first instance, and then brings it forth anew: and most easy is this for Him, since His is the essence of all that is most sublime in the heavens and on earth, and He alone is almighty, truly wise. [Chapter (Surah) Ar-Rum (The Romans)(30):21...27][37]

There are also verses regarding both genders explicitly:

God has promised the believers, both men and women (Lit., waalmuminoona (male believers) waalmuminatu (female believers), gardens through which running waters flow, therein to abide, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual bliss: but God's goodly acceptance is the greatest [bliss of all] -for this, this is the triumph supreme! [Chapter (Surah) At-Taubah (The Repentance) (9):72][38]

As for anyone - be it man or woman [Lit., min (from) thakarin (male) aw (or) ontha (female)][16:97] - who does righteous deeds, and is a believer withal - him shall We most certainly cause to live a good life, and most certainly shall We grant unto such as these their reward in accordance with the best that they ever did. [Chapter (Surah) An-Nahl (The Bee) (16):97][39]

A verse regarding other companionship:

“And, O our Sustainer, bring them into the gardens of perpetual bliss which Thou hast promised them, together with the righteous from among their forebears, and their spouses, and their offspring - for, verily, Thou alone art almighty, truly wise [Chapter (Surah) Ghafir (The Forgiver)(40):8][40]

"72 Virgins"

The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that:
"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.[65]

Views
Margaret Nydell states that mainstream Muslims regard this belief about 72 virgins in the same way that mainstream Christians regard the belief that after death they will be issued with wings and a harp, and walk on clouds.[66]

Another interpretation of the relevant passages of the Qur'an is The Syro-Aramaic Reading Of The Qur'an written by Christoph Luxenberg. In respect of this particular point, Luxenberg argues that the relevant passage actually translates to a portrayal of paradise as a lush garden with pooling water and trees with rare fruit, including white raisins (considered to be delicacies at the time that the Qur'an was written), not virgin maidens.[67][68]

Regarding the above statement, Hafiz Salahuddin Yusuf has said: "The narration, which claims that everyone would have seventy-two wives has a weak chain of narrators." [49]

We will raise you into a form of which you have not the slightest knowledge.

chevaliers-de-sion wrote:Turkish and American experts, however, are increasingly alarmed about the growing amount of danger on the fault lines between Muslims and Russians.

melika969 wrote:According to the Qur'an, the ghilman are creatures who work in heaven, alongside their female counterparts called the houris, in the service of the righteous Muslims. The promise of this reward is repeated four different times in the Qur'an.

52:24 :There will circulate among them [servant] boys [especially] for them, as if they were pearls well-protected.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And there will circulate from all around them, for service, youths, delicate [in demeanour], of their own, as if, in terms of their beauty and immaculateness, they were hidden pearls, preserved inside shells, because when it [a pearl] is inside it, it is better than one that is not.

God has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of God; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon God in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than God? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.

shafique wrote:Perhaps 'Ghilman' are what 'eh' dreams of in his threads about Afghans liking boys like him!

The passage in context reads to me that in heaven there will be heavenly companions and also servants to wait on you hand and foot.

Also, isn't fascinating that 'eh' can on the one hand join forces with those who view the Jewish religious terrorist Baruch Goldstein as a 'glorious martyr' in the cause of religion and not condemn his actions, and on the other hand quote God saying Martyrs go to heaven and extrapolate that Islam condones terrorism.

Well, I guess that there is a thread called 'hypocrisy uncovered' in the religion section means we shouldn't be surprised.

Cheers,
Shafique

I personally don't think terrorists are martyrs - but those killed in the way of God are.

shafique wrote:God says Martyrs go to heaven.

What's wrong with that statement?

shafique wrote:Don't you think that those who kill babies and enslave virgins are doing God's work? What do you think happened to those Israelites who were killed when attacking the families of the virgins they enslaved - were they punished or were they rewarded for doing God's work?

The fanatics you side with also think that Baruch Goldstein is a martyr for religion.


I personally don't think terrorists are martyrs - but those killed in the way of God are. That's the main difference between me and the religious fanatics who share your view.