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Verses From The Glorious Qur'an...

Attempt the Ascent, Free a Slave, Qur'an: Surah 90 Al-Balad (The City): Nay, I swear by this city... We verily have created man in an atmosphere... But he hath not attempted the Ascent, Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! It is to free a slave, And to feed in the day of hunger, An orphan near of kin, Or some poor wretch in misery. And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity.

Marry: Slaves and Maid Servants; Emancipation, Qur'an 24:27-34 Surah An-Nur (Light): Tell the believing men... And tell the believing women... And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware. And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing of emancipation, write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, Lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful...

Free Slaves, Qur'an 2:177 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow): It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing.

Prefer Marriage to a Believing Slave, Qur'an 2:221 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow): Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth thus His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.

Expiation of Breaking Sworn Oath, Qur'an 5:89 Surah Al Ma'idah (The Table Spread): Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three day fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths...

Set Free a Believing Slave, Qur'an 4:92 Surah An-Nisa (Women): It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless it be by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.

Free a Slave, Qur'an 58:3-4 Surah Al-Mujadilah (She That Disputeth): Those who put away their wives by saying they are as their mothers and afterward would go back on that which they have said; the penalty in that case is the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. Unto this ye are exhorted; and Allah is informed of what ye do. And he who findeth not the wherewithal, let him fast for two successive months before they touch one another; and for him who is unable to do so the penance is the feeding of sixty needy ones. This, that ye may put trust in Allah and His messenger. Such are the limits imposed by Allah; and for disbelievers is a painful doom.

Those who wish to understand the specific and broader meaning of the verses of the Qur'an, it is recommended that they should also read commentary on these subjects and verses. The English readers will find either Yusuf Ali's or Maududi's commentaries a good source. Allama Yususf Ali presents the meaning Ayah (verse) by Ayah with detailed footnotes for relevant words in each verse and includes a detailed index of the topics mentioned in the Qur'an. Maulana Maududi's work covers commentary for each Surah (chapter) of the Holy Qur'an.

Pickthall writes in his foreward of 1930: "... The Qur'an cannot be translated. ... The book is here rendered almost literally and every effort has been made to choose befitting language. But the result is not the Glorious Qur'an, that inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy. It is only an attempt to present the meaning of the Qur'an-and peradventure something of the charm in English. It can never take the place of the Qur'an in Arabic, nor is it meant to do so. ..."

"The Holy Qur'an," Text, Translation and Commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, 1934. (Latest Publisher: Amana Publications, Beltsville, MD, USA; Title: "The Meaning of the Holy Qur'an," 1992). A pocket edition of Yusuf Ali's translation is also available in contemporary English.

"The Meaning of the Glorious Koran," An Explanatory Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, a Mentor Book Publication. (Also available as: "The Meaning of the Glorious Koran," by Marmaduke Pickthall, Dorset Press, N.Y. and several Islamic book publishers; Published by several publishers since 1930). Note: The Mentor publication (451 MJ1529 195) contains a few errors/omissions, e.g., in Surah 72: the last part of Verse 2 should read "we ascribe no partner unto our Lord", and Surah 68: Verse 22 should read "straight" road instead of "beaten" road. In case of any doubt, the reader is advised to check with a copy from an Islamic publisher and also check with an Islamic scholar for the meaning directly from the Arabic original.

For the serious readers of the meaning of the Qur'an in English, it is recommended that it should be read along with a good commentary to comprehend the essential meaning and scope of verses. Either Yusuf Ali's or Maududi's commentaries are a good starting point. The former presents the meaning Ayah (verse) by Ayah with footnotes and includes a detailed index of the topics mentioned in the Qur'an, while the latter presents commentaries for each Surah (chapter) of the Qur'an.

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Raping slave women in Islam is Okay?

When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-a-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.
But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)

This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.”
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Simple question - does the Koran allow for concubinage or not?

Yes or no.
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The answer is in the articles I linked..Why don't your read and reason Mr.sheikh the crusader...
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I totally agree with you that this is allowed in Islam:

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.


I disagree, however, that a master must free his unmarried slave if he gets her pregnant. The Koran does not say this anywhere.
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I disagree, however, that a master must free his unmarried slave if he gets her pregnant

So you wished either slavery to continue or master to get married as many pregnant slaves as possible..
hmmm I can see polygamist spirit of Eh showing through here..
Which one do you prefer Eh? Freeing or polygamy or slavery..
Eh is there are room in your mind for a free woman to be the only weded wife of a master? :D

The Koran does not say this anywhere.

Ok we muslims will ask God to revitalise Quran every year to suit Eh's needs.. :wink:
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Hey Berrin - perhaps eh thinks we all have female slaves! :)

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shafique wrote:Hey Berrin - perhaps eh thinks we all have female slaves! :)

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Do you agree or disagree with the facts that a Muslim master may take concubines (have relations outside of marriage)?
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I disagree, however, that a master must free his unmarried slave if he gets her pregnant

So you wished either slavery to continue or master to get married as many pregnant slaves as possible..
hmmm I can see polygamist spirit of Eh showing through here..
Which one do you prefer Eh? Freeing or polygamy or slavery..
Eh is there are room in your mind for a free woman to be the only weded wife of a master? :D

The Koran does not say this anywhere.

Ok we muslims will ask God to revitalise Quran every year to suit Eh's needs.. :wink:


Nope - I wish for Muslims to follow the Koran. And I don't see any passage that says for a master to free his slave-girl after he knocks her up.

That's why I'm suspicious about the views of Muslim 'scholars' if they are not backed up with evidence from the Koran.
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I see... now we have a polygamist Eh.. Brilliant...
Eh does this mean that you agree with marriage up to 4 wifes or more? I need to know this incase the master has more than 4 slaves and they got all pregnant?
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Actually, I misread your paragraph. The author doesn't say that if a Muslim master gets his slave-girl pregnant, he'll have to marry her.

So, I guess we don't have to worry about that hypothetical, now do we?
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shafique wrote:Hey Berrin - perhaps eh thinks we all have female slaves! :)

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Do you agree or disagree with the facts that a Muslim master may take concubines (have relations outside of marriage)?


I've been pretty clear - Islam does not allow s.ex outside of marriage - i.e. it does not condone adultery, which is your assertion.

Therefore, I categorically deny any assertion that Islam condones the taking of concubines. If only s.ex within marriage is condoned (and slaves are among those who God says Muslim men are allowed to marry), then your assertion that Islam allows adultery looks very, very, very foolish. All Mouth, No Trousers - no less.


But then again, perhaps you think Berrin and I have harems full of slave women? You've had stranger fantasies! :bigsmurf:
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I see you've had to ignore the passages in the Koran which clearly state that a Muslim does not need to be chaste with his wife *or* his slaves.

Why are you ignoring the obvious? Are the facts and conclusions - including the mainstream Muslim interpretation of the Koran, too difficult for you to accept?
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Au contraire mon ami - I'm tackling head on your initial allegation that Islam condones adultery by pointing out the fact that God does not condone any s.ex outside of marriage and noting the fact you still refuse to quote the verses where God talks about adultery.

All Mouth, No Trousers - yet again.

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No, you still have not tackled this passage 'head-on'.

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]


You need to do that.
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Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

I keep bringing you back to the fact that your assertion that God allows s.ex outside marriage is based on just a fantasy that requires you to ignore what God actually says about adultery.

To date, you have failed to even quote these verses.

All Mouth, No Trousers.

Again.

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You claimed that you have addressed the verse I have been quoting head on.

You have not done so.

If you believe that you have done so, then by all means, re-quote or link to the original post where you have actually addressed the passage that says Muslim do not need to guard their chastity around their wives or their slaves.

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
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I've repeatedly stated that you need to tackle your initial allegation that God allows adultery in Islam by quoting the verses where God talks about adultery.

You have thus far failed to do that.

I've tackled this verse head on by stating it does not say s.ex outside marriage is ok.

Ergo, All Mouth, No Trousers. Again.

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I already explained what I meant when I said that Islam institutionalizes adultery. I said that polygamy and concubinage are simply another form of adultery - I see no difference so, to my mind, the Koran does condone adultery in these situations.

I didn't say nor imply that Islam allows adultery in other cases. Even though I was clear in what I said and I repeated myself several times, this seemed to have been too subtle for you to have picked up on.

Now that I've already explained myself for the half-dozenth time, it's your turn to address the verses in the Koran that allow for men to have concubines:

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]


Do you agree or disagree with Allah that Muslim men do not need to guard their chastity around their wives *and* their slave (girls)?
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Yes, I understand you've clearly stated your belief about Islam and adultery.

My comments about 'All Mouth, No Trousers' relates to your inability to address what God actually says about adultery and your reliance on a verse which does not say that Muslims may have s.ex outside of marriage.

What did you think I was referring to when I said:
All Mouth, No Trousers. Again.

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We've already addressed the verses on adultery and 'whoredom' on another thread. The Koran says to lash (unmarried) fornicators and to imprison women who are lewd - for the rest of their lives.

Obviously, this instruction does not include men who take a second or third or fourth wife or have concubines. I was merely pointing out that polygamy and adultery/fornication are really the same thing.

Now, you need to address the verse in the Koran I keep quoting:

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
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You seem to be confusing your fantasies with a simple request to quote what God has to say about adultery if you want to back up your claim that Islam allows adultery.

All Mouth... you know the rest..

;)
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What is with this citing what the Koran says of adultery?

I've already said that to my mind, polygamy is just another form of adultery. That's my view and the views of most non-Muslims alive these days.

Ditto with concubinage. However, the Koran does not consider polygamy nor concubinage as forms of adultery/fornication.

So, your request/point is moot. The Koranic prohibition of adultery does not cover polygamy or concubinage. It simply does not allow Muslim men to have girlfriends on the side - just second/third/fourth wives and slave girls.

Now, it's your turn to address the following passage that allows men to have relations with slave-girls:

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
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You say Islam allows adultery, yet avoid the verses where God talks about adultery.

All Mouth...

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Concubinage and polygamy is not seen as adultery by the author(s) of the Koran. In Islam, physical relationships between men and women are forbidden outside of polygamy/monogamy and concubinage.

Now you need to address the passage in the Koran allowing for concubinage:

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
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Still not quoting what God says about adultery, but now seeking to change the definition of adultery. Hmmm.

All mouth, no trousers indeed.

How fun it is to watch eh caught out in another fantasy! :bigsmurf:

It should have been quite straightforward to quote God saying that s.ex outside marriage is ok in Islam - but the failure and repetitions are fun to read.

But given that you are more extreme than Bin Laden and condone the enslavement of Virgins for 'the use' of the Israelites who slaughtered their families, I guess fantasising about what Islam says about adultery is the least of your worries!

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event horizon wrote:Concubinage and polygamy is not seen as adultery by the author(s) of the Koran. In Islam, physical relationships between men and women are forbidden outside of polygamy/monogamy and concubinage.

Now you need to address the passage in the Koran allowing for concubinage:

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]


Are you having trouble addressing this passage?
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Nope.

Just pointing out the funny fact that your claim that God allows s.ex outside marriage is not supported by the Quran, precisely because the God forbids adultery and does not say in the verse you keep repeating that Muslims can have s.ex outside marriage.

All Mouth. No Trousers. Again.
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“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]


What could the highlighted verse above possibly mean?
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