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I see we're playing musical chairs once more:

Do you agree with Matthew that Pilate was not to blame and that the responsibility lies with the Jews who say'We will be responsible for his death. We accept for ourselves and for our children any punishment for his death'.

Are you going to change your question again, for the fifteenth time?

Bump:

Yet another fantasy eh-oh?

Why are you avoiding the question?

Cheers,
Shafique

I'm not avoiding the question. You keep changing the question.

Go through the thread to see if I answered it already.

You are avoiding the question oh sheikh. Why is that so?

shafique wrote:I have asked you whether your Bible contains Matthew's words or not.

Perhaps your Bible is in ancient Greek and you haven't looked at the translation?

Matthew says clearly that Pilate does not take the blame for the killing of Jesus. Here are Pilate's words (again):

Then Pilate said, "I am not guilty of this man's death. You are the ones that are doing it!" All the people answered, "We will be responsible for his death. We accept for ourselves and for our children any punishment for his death."

Cheers,
Shafique


How is 'I am not guilty' equal to 'I am guilty'????

Cheers,
Shafique

I like how I've answered/addressed numerous questions of yours, often more multiple times, throughout this thread but you claim that I'm avoiding questions.

LoL.

Do you want to again claim that Paul was categorical on blaming the Jews for Jesus' death, oh scholar of the New Testament?

Wanna claim that Matthew said the Jews are guilty of crucifying Jesus as opposed to Matthew recording what a group of Jews say?

Dear sheikh,

Another epic failure of comprehension.

My question was quite clear - it was about Matthew saying PILATE (let me repeat PILATE) not being to blame. He is categoric about this. Pilate says he is not guilty.

The question was, whether your Bible contains this categoric statement of Matthew and whether you disown this message and blame Pilate. It is clear that Matthew blames the Jews and their progeny - for he records what they say. We can quibble over whether it was the Jews present or Jews generally, but the question was pretty clear - do you agree with Matthew when he absolves PILATE (yes, PILATE - P I L A T E) of the blame.

That's PILATE, in case you missed it.

Why avoid this question, sheikh?

Cheers,
Shafique

bump - why the evasion? The question about Pilate is very clear.. where's the answer to the question?

Did you check the thread to make sure your question has not already been answered?

Ok, I'll play.

Yes, I checked the thread. You have not answered the question about whether you agree with MATTHEW that PILATE is NOT, I repeat, NOT to blame for killing Jesus.

You keep referring to 'authorities' or that the apostles creed says Pilate caused Jesus to suffer - but never have you come out and said whether Matthew is right to absolve Pilate of blame and that the responsibility lies with the Jews.

Re-read the title of this thread. Is it Pilate or is it the Jews who are responsible? Matthew clearly absolves Pilate, you clearly are running scared (dare I say 'chicken'?) of answering this question.

(Not to mention the question about Rapture!)

Cheers,
Shafique

Bump:

Is Pilate absolved of responsibility as Matthew says or do you think Matthew is a liar?

Cheers,
Shafique

Are you sure I didn't already answer this question?

What do you think?

Fascinating - don't you think every reader of this thread will think you are chicken in your studied avoidance of a simple question?

I mean, it's not difficult, is it? Do you, or do you not, agree with Matthew that Pilate is NOT to blame?

Cheers,
Shafique

Hey, eh -

Do you agree with these Israelis on who killed Jesus?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ek5G633 ... r_embedded

Cheers,
Shafique

'eh' - did you ever get round to watching the video?

which video?

This video.

shafique wrote:Hey, eh -

Do you agree with these Israelis on who killed Jesus?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ek5G633 ... r_embedded

Still waiting for an answer.