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event horizon wrote:

(Surely not another 'all mouth, no trousers' moment coming up??)

Of course not.

Excellent - so you will now show me where:

Uhmm, you said the exact opposite when you claimed I had stated that the Koran says Jesus was crucified.

event horizon wrote: My post and your response to my post is absolutely clear that you misread my post and thought I had said that Jesus was crucified in the Koran.

Ok, let's have a look at your post and my response, and see where I claimed eh-oh believed the Quran says Jesus was crucified...

event horizon wrote:I'll post again and perhaps this time you can comment on your off the wall response (assuming you are correct, then your response makes no sense whatsoever):

I wrote:

event horizon wrote:That's news to me. Historians tend to reject the Koran's claim that Jesus was not crucified and the Jews crucified someone else instead. But this is nothing new,the Koran contains so many historical and scientific mistakes that any one who took the Koran literally would be viewed as foolish by any enlightened Westerner.

Then you responded:

shafique wrote:You really must do at least a bit of your homework eh-oh - really, the other boys and girls in your classes must be so frustrated with you!

God is emphatic in the Quran that Jesus was not killed by the Jews. You yourself have quoted the verse before .. but let me repeat it for you.

A bit of a strange response if you did not think I had said that Jesus was crucified according to the Koran.

Huh?

How is me stating the fact that God emphatically denies Jesus was killed by the Jews got anything to do with what you believe about the Quran?

event horizon wrote:What exactly am I to do my homework on and why would you follow that statement up by telling me that the Koran does not say that Jesus was crucified when I had already said that in the previous post?

You should have done your homework about the point I made - that God +emphatically+ denies the Jews killed Jesus ('surely they killed him not').

The context was I was asking you whether you believed in the 18th century Christian view that the Bible was correct to blame the Jews for killing of Jesus, or whether you agreed with this statement of God (that the Jews didn't kill Jesus)

event horizon wrote:C'mon. You don't really expect anyone to believe you now anymore than your non-answer in regards to whether the shafique I quoted from a yahoo message board was you, do you?

Hey, I was just asking you to back up your claim that I had said you believed the Quran says Jesus was crucified. You have FAILED to show that I did - so, I guess I would be justified in calling you a liar, but as it's Christmas I'll just chuckle at the fact that you confused a statement of fact 'God emphatically denies Jews killed Jesus in the Quran' with an imaginary 'eh-oh, you believe the Quran says Jesus was crucified'!!

All mouth, no trousers again. Sigh.

Cheers,
Shafique

Huh?

How is me stating the fact that God emphatically denies Jesus was killed by the Jews got anything to do with what you believe about the Quran?

Well, it probably might have something to do with the fact that I said so myself in the previous post to yours. Odd that you would repeat the claim, even odder that you would tell this to me when I had just said so and oddest that you would tell me that I needed to do my homework.

You should have done your homework about the point I made - that God +emphatically+ denies the Jews killed Jesus ('surely they killed him not').

Cool - so you admit that you didn't read my post or you misread it. Since I never said that the Koran claims that Jews killed Jesus (in fact, I said the exact opposite), we both agree that your response for me to do my homework was based on your misunderstanding of what I wrote.

Hey, I was just asking you to back up your claim that I had said you believed the Quran says Jesus was crucified. You have FAILED to show that I did

Nope, don't think so. Your response was very clear that you believed that I had said that Jesus was crucified according to the Koran.

event horizon wrote:That's news to me. Historians tend to reject the Koran's claim that Jesus was not crucified and the Jews crucified someone else instead. But this is nothing new,the Koran contains so many historical and scientific mistakes that any one who took the Koran literally would be viewed as foolish by any enlightened Westerner.

shafique wrote:You really must do at least a bit of your homework eh-oh - really, the other boys and girls in your classes must be so frustrated with you!

God is emphatic in the Quran that Jesus was not killed by the Jews. You yourself have quoted the verse before .. but let me repeat it for you.

Let's break the two posts down a bit for a closer examination of what I wrote and how shafique replied to it.

I said that Jesus was not crucified according to the Koran.

Shafique responds that I should really do my homework and then he says....that Jesus was not crucified according to the Koran.

I don't see where the confusion is. Shafique clearly believed I had said that Jesus was crucified according to the Koran and he came into the thread to 'correct' my belief. Hence he told me to do my homework and then said that the Koran does not say that Jesus was crucified - which I had just said so myself in the post before his.

So, shafique either sees a point in repeating what was stated by myself and add that I need to do my homework on something he agrees with me on or he misread my post.

So which is it, did you a) agree with my post but felt the need to restate something (along with a comment that I should do my homework on something you agree with me on) or b) you misread my post and you are too proud to admit it?

Which is it? a or b?

This is the aim of Jihad with the Jews and the Christians and it is not to force them to become Muslims and adopt the `Islamic Way of Life.' They should be forced to pay Jizyah in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way, while they should become their subjects and pay jizyah. jizyah is paid by those non-Muslims who live as Zimmis (proteges) in an Islamic State, in exchange for the security and protection granted to them by it

Thanks again for the link to the quote. You know who you are.

event horizon wrote:

Huh?

How is me stating the fact that God emphatically denies Jesus was killed by the Jews got anything to do with what you believe about the Quran?

Well, it probably might have something to do with the fact that I said so myself in the previous post to yours.

In other words, you can't back up you claim (you can't find a quote that says you believe the Quran states that Jesus was crucified - but can only find a quote where I remind you of what God says in the Quran - that the Jews did not kill Jesus - this is a separate quotation from 'Jesus was not crucified')

So, another case of 'All mouth, no trousers' after all!

Cheers,
Shafique

In other words, you can't back up you claim

In other words, you can't exactly answer my question of why you would tell someone that the Koran does not say that Jesus was crucified when that was already mentioned in the post you had addressed.

but can only find a quote where I remind you of what God says in the Quran

Thanks for the reminder. I thought I had said that in the post just before you responded, but perhaps you thought I may have forgotten what I had written?

event horizon wrote:That's news to me. Historians tend to reject the Koran's claim that Jesus was not crucified and the Jews crucified someone else instead. But this is nothing new,the Koran contains so many historical and scientific mistakes that any one who took the Koran literally would be viewed as foolish by any enlightened Westerner.

Again, thanks for the reminder, that makes a whole lot of sense now that I re-read my post. I clearly could have forgotten what I had written and mistakenly believed that the Koran says that Jesus was crucified if it wasn't for your response telling me what the Koran says.

Well, my challenge to you was quite simple - quote me saying what you accused me of.

Since you haven't - I repeat, this is another 'all mouth, no trousers' moment.

Cheers,
Shafique