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The so-called orthodox Muslim belief that a Jesus-look-alike was crucified instead of Hadhrat Jesusas, and that Hadhrat Jesusas was raised to heaven, to descend a later day, has no support in the Holy Quran. The origin of this popular belief is from Christian sources, as will be shown in a future article.

The Quran is quite clear that Hadhrat Jesusas has passed away, and gives no support to the concept of Hadhrat Jesusas physically going to heaven. Some specific verses will now be considered:

* "Jesus said, I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be and has enjoined on me prayer and alms-giving so long as I live. He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed. Peace was on me the day I was born, and peace there shall be on the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again." (19:31-4)

The verse shows Hadhrat Jesusas must have died, and could not exist in heaven with his physical body:

o If he was still alive, he would have to give alms in heaven, but who would need alms there?
o If he would descend again to earth alive, he would have to follow the Jewish prescriptions on both prayer and alms-giving - and could not be a follower of Islamic law.
o Did his mother accompany him to heaven physically? How could he otherwise behave like a dutiful son towards her?
* "Keep in mind when God will say to Jesus, son of Mary: Didst thou say to people: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? - and he will answer, Holy art Thou, I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou who art the Knower of hidden things. I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me: Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things." (5:117-8)

The verse proves that:

o The corruption of Christian doctrine took place after the death of Hadhrat Jesusas. If Hadhrat Jesusas is still alive, as some Muslims believe, then Christianity must still be pure.
o The same Hadhrat Jesusas will not appear a second time in this world, as he would then become aware that Christians had now taken his mother as Divine, and could not, therefore plead ignorance in front of God's judgment seat.

* The Quran says about persons or beings worshiped as God: "They are dead, not living; and they know not when they will be raised." (16:21)

If Hadhrat Jesusas is alive, as some Muslims believe, he must be God

Dear Mr Irshad and Mr Rashid,

I wish to combine replies to two posts in one reply, as I do not want to
repeat myself. I trust that this is alright.

1. Mr Irshad has not denied the fact that thousands of prophecies of the
Promised Messiah, as, were fulfilled literally.

2. People can read what I actually said about Prophets Noah and Jonas (Nuh
and Yunus, as) and judge whether I ever said they made +false+ prophecies. I
said that if you selectively quote the prophecies they made or apply the
prophecies too literally, then and only then can anyone say the prophecies
were not fulfilled.

3. I maintain that all the examples given by Mr Irshad and Mr Rashid fall
into this category (i.e. they quote out of context, selectively)

4. Mr Rashid maintains that a solar eclipse can only take place at a new
moon and has made the assertion that the solar eclipse of 6th April 1894
took place not in Ramadhan but in the following month. I would like to see
the evidence of this.

Fortunately Mr Rashid has chosen to make an assertion that can be very
easily checked - by giving us all the date on which Eid ul Fitr was
celebrated in 1894. Was it before or after April 6th?

If he does not know, then I can give him the dates and assure every true
seeker that both eclipses were in Ramadhan and as a result many, many people
accepted the truth of the Promised Messiah, as.

I do not have much time to devote to this forum as I am doing a lot of work
inviting people to the true Islam of the Prophet Muhammad, the Khatamal
Anbiya - Ahmadiyat in Islam.

The Quran clearly states that the false prophets will not suceed and that
right is distinct from wrong.

I can only imagine the frustration of Mr Rashid and Mr Irshad at the thought
that since their web sites have become operational, the Ahmadiyya Muslim
community has more than doubled in size. Last year to July there were more
than 5 million (yes 5 MILLION) people who joined the Ahmadiyya Muslim
community. This year, Inshallah, 10 Million will join.

Mr Rashid's and Mr Irshad's arguments are tired and old and serve only to
sharpen our own faith when we have to investigate the allegations and see
the truth of the Promised Messiah, as.

But for sincere Muslims the way that Allah is showing signs in favour of his
chosen Jamaat is enough (and it is enough for the millions flocking to take
bai'at to the Messiah sent by Allah).

So, I hope that Mr Rashid will at least be honest enough to admit that 6th
April 1894 was in Ramadhan and that this great prophecy and sign of Allah
did take place.

Wasalaam,
Shafique

shafique wrote:So, I take it that you agree with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad that it was Jesus who was put on the cross.
Interesting that.

Ok - now let's see if you can answer a simple question - Do you believe in Rapture? Yes or No?

shafique wrote:I get it, I think you believe I'm this guy:

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shafique ... 1335878275



Nah - perhaps this is me:
Welcome to Shafique's Vulgar Display of Power
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/shafique/

But then again, perhaps this is me..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafique_Ahmed




Cheers,
Shafique

Ahmadi Muslims hold the unique belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) survived the crucifixion and travelled towards India to continue his ministry among the Lost Tribes of Israel. Furthermore, they claim that his tomb, containing his body, has been recently re-discovered in India where it can be seen to this day. Ahmadi Muslims also assert that this belief is not only upheld by the Holy Quran and the Sayings of Muhammad (sa), but even by the Holy Bible itself.

Crucifixion of Jesus
The disbelievers of Jesus wished to bring about his death upon the cross for the purpose of calling him accursed in accordance with the pronouncement in Deut 21:23 which declares, "he that is hanged is accursed of God." His death on the cross would thus confirm him as a false Messiah. Islam contradicts the assertion that Jesus died an accursed death on the cross.

Thus, Ahmadi Muslims believe that God frustrated the plan of the disbelievers of Jesus. Although Jesus was nailed to the cross, he did not perish on it. He was removed from the cross in a state of unconsciousness (Qur'an 4:158). The Gospels, too, provide extensive evidence of his escape from the accursed death on the cross.

According to Islam, Jesus did not preach salvation through atonement of sins by his death on the cross. This philosophy of someone atoning for the sins of another is emphatically rejected in the Old Testament as well (Deut. 24:16, Ezekiel 18:2 and 20).

Ahmadi Muslims believe that Jesus came under the care of his devoted followers after he was removed from the cross. He was placed in the tomb where he recovered from his ordeal. The Gospels too describe that Jesus was still in his earthly body of flesh and bones after emerging from the tomb (Luke 24:39). An analysis of the post-crucifixion period described in the Gospels reveals that Jesus led a low-profile existence. He hurriedly traveled away from the locality of the crucifixion (Qur'an 23:51; Matt 28:10, Mark 16:7).

Now, can you confirm if that poster I quoted was you?

event horizon wrote:

Now, can you confirm if that poster I quoted was you?

Is the question difficult for you, shafique?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' would suffice here.