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Sep 30, 2009
I just also wanted to point out that eh-oh seems to be addicted to giving misleading selective quotes - by selective, I specifically mean not giving the whole truth.

For example, compare what he said above and what was actually subsequently agreed to when establishing the groundrules:

shafique wrote:Cool, we are making progress.

I'm ok with you choosing the parameters - so you have said you want to cover 2001 to 2009. Fair enough.

You also want to count the nutters who didn't kill anyone but just plotted to kill - also fair enough, but it would be a bit difficult for me to count the numbers of nutters of other religions who are just plotting anarchy etc... but still, it's a valid challenge.

All I ask is that the numbers are kept separate - those who actually killed/carried out attacks and those 'reported' to be terrorists. As I pointed out the 'reported/suspected' terrorists tend to turn out to be just hype in many cases (eg Ricin plots).

We should then end up with absolute numbers of converts to Islam who have committed or are accused of plotting terrorist attacks.



So, now we've reminded eh-oh of the parameters (and it was such a long time ago) - let's await the updated count and hope we are not just given some more headlines about incidents that are more hype than reality.

The count is only one numpty terrorist who killed 26, compared with one Jewish terrorist who eh-oh refuses to condemn and one Catholic convert whose actions led to more than 100 times more deaths. Stats you see - exposes the fallacies of some fantasies.

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I see shafique is still having trouble abiding by the parameters in the OP.

I wonder if shafique had similar problems as a child drawing in the lines or just scribbling his crayon all over the picture?

In any event, if you have trouble reading my quote, just ask and I'm sure others will jump in and help.

I am more than happy to compare the number of terrorist attacks (thwarted ones included) of Muslim converts with the number of terror attacks (thwarted ones included) by converts to other faiths and then draw any conclusions from these numbers.


As I said, there are several helpful members on this forum and they might be kind enough to take pity on you and help you along if you're still not 'getting' it.

I've also given you an example of a Jewish Terrorist and asked you to condemn him as such - you refuse.


oh shafique!

Please do not move the goal posts. This thread is about *converts* to other religions who subsequently become religious nutters and carry out/attempt to carry out terror attacks.

Goldstein was not a convert to Judaism (although he might be confused with a convert to Islam). I can understand your desire to include him. After all, it must be pretty lonely for Muslims when only converts to Islam become religious nutters and carry out/attempt to carry out violent attacks.
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Still waiting for the updated count. Please save feigned indignation for another thread where it may be relevant.

But let me thank you for quoting me asking for numbers and confirming that you still haven't condemned the one Jewish terrorist example I gave (in this and other threads).

It has taken nine pages and yet the count is still one actual terrorist and 26 killed and a few other 'suspected' terrorists. All mouth, no trousers indeed. ;)

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shafique oh! Please do not shift the goal posts.

I am more than happy to compare the number of terrorist attacks (thwarted ones included) of Muslim converts with the number of terror attacks (thwarted ones included) by converts to other faiths and then draw any conclusions from these numbers.


That was what was agreed upon on another thread, remember?
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To compare the numbers you need to supply your numbers - is this really hard to comprehend? 'Again Again!' - I await your updated count. ;)

As it stands, you have one terrorist and 26 killed and a few more suspects. I have one Catholic convert and one Jewish terrorist - just to show that trying to extrapolate a view based on ONE terrorist is a bit silly.

You have repeated my phrase, 'all mouth, no trousers' a few times now - are you sure you understand what you are cutting and pasting?

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Ok, whilst I was waiting for you to expand the count to Asia, it appears you are still stuck at the count of one.

Given you've unilaterally expanded the scope to the Americas (when initially it was UK), let me give you some references for terror killings by converts to Christianity in Northern India.

The Violence in Tripura Continues

In our concern for the violence that takes place daily in India's Northeast region, here is a sample of the typical but atrocious news that comes out of the region due to the insurgency of the terrorist, militant Christian groups that act in the area. These groups, in their promotion of Christianity, continue to kill thousands of local people in their attempt to ban all Hindu practices and convert everyone into Christians.


Hindu Genocide in Tripura
By S. Aravindan Neelakandan
"I came not to bring peace, but a sword" – Jesus Christ

For seven-year-old Shreema, 13th Jan 2002 was a special Sunday. All through the year, the girl had awaited the dawn of this day. For, that was the day one goes out and purchases new clothes, new toys and sweets, as the next day would be Makar Sankranthi -- the harvest festival celebrated throughout India. The Singicherra Bazar was bustling with activity. Like Shreema's family there were many people looking forward to a happy Makar Sankranthi. But they didn't realise that they were violating a fatwa issued by the Baptist Church-created Christian Al-Qaeda, the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT). Nor did they know that they would pay with their lives for celebrating a heathen festival of their motherland.
Shreema would never again celebrate Makar Sankranthi. She died, along with sixteen others, on the spot as 13 terrorists of the NLFT encircled the people shopping for the festival and fired indiscriminately. The soldiers of Christ have done again in Tripura what they have been doing for centuries to heathens throughout the world.

The Baptist Church of Tripura is not just the ideological mentor of the NLFT; it also supplies the NLFT with arms and ammunition for the soldiers of the holy crusade. Never mind that the holy war involves killing infants and torching the huts of 'heathen Hindoos'. The NLFT does all these to bring to the infidels the peace and love of Christ. So, when Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was arrested by the Tripura police he had rather curious tools for evangelisation, which included along with the gospel 50 gelatin sticks, 5 kg of potassium and 2 kg of sulphur and other ingredients for making explosives. Mr. Halam confessed that his activities for the saving the heathen souls involved buying and supplying explosives to the NLFT over the past two years. Another church official, Jatna Koloi, who was also arrested, admitted that he received training in guerrilla warfare at an NLFT base last year. Surely, gelatin and AK-47s have more efficiency when it comes to bringing the light of the only revealed truth to the disbelievers suffering in 'spiritual darkness'. Those who are in doubt can check it out with another great light-bearer of the other 'only true book', Osama bin Laden (that is, when and if the prophet of terror is captured).

The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by proselytizers from New Zealand 60 years ago. Despite their efforts, even until 1980, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. Then the Church used one of its most efficient and time-tested weapons of evangelisation -- creating racial and ethnic divide among the people. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, engineered by the Church, the NLFT was born -- but not without the midwife role of the Baptist Church. From its very inception, the NLFT has been advancing the cause of Christianity through armed persuasion. Every trace of indigenous culture is being eliminated through violent means. Every resisting group is made to bleed its way to extinction.

The case of Jamatya tribals provides a telling example. These tribals have strong spiritual leaders and a network of social service organisations headed by their religious leaders. These indigenous sects are neither exclusive nor expansionist. The Baptist Church has always failed miserably in its conversion efforts with regard to this well-knit community. Hence, it is no wonder that the NLFT has made Jamatya institutions and their religious leaders the targets of their attacks. In the August of 2000, religious leaders of the Jamatya community like Jaulushmoni Jamatya and Shanti Kumar Tripura were killed by the NLFT, and Jamatya families were uprooted from their homelands and made refugees. The death threats issued by the NLFT to the inmates of these institutions have already forced the closure of 11 Jamatya institutions like schools and orphanages, set up by the slain religious leaders in various parts of Tripura4. Interestingly, these tribals are not close-minded fanatics. For one thing, they do not mind teaching the theory of evolution in their schools.

The greatest challenge to the Bible inspired mission of the NLFT comes from the Sangh Parivar's Banbasi Kalyan Kendra. The dedicated life workers of RSS have started empowering the tribals by running many educational institutions which while empowering them through imparting secular technical education also retain their tribal cultural and spiritual identity. Rather than making them disown their roots, the Kendra made the tribals feel proud of their culture. It even conducts national level tribal sports festivals. If the NLFT is to carve out a kingdom for Christ out of the secular republic of India, it has to make sure that the Kendra activities are stopped at all costs. In July 2000, armed NLFT militants torched a residential school and students hostel run by the Seva Mission in the remote Ananda Bazar area of North Tripura. They had also taken hostage four RSS life workers. These RSS workers were all in their sixties. The crime committed by these old men was that they had dared to run educational institutions for tribals while preserving the tribals' culture. Later, all four were killed by the NLFT.

The NLFT has been an active partner of the Baptist Church in winning converts to the Christian creed. They have killed tribal priests to threaten communities and effect mass conversions. But those tactics have obviously backfired. In 2001 alone, the NLFT killed more than 20 Hindus who refused to 'accept the love of Christ'. They also torched to death a Hindu family sleeping in a hut. In 2001, community chiefs and religious heads of 19 tribes formed the 'Tribal Culture Protection Committee' to counter the threat posed by the NLFT7. Despite the NLFT taking all possible steps to enforce conversions, the conversions are still slow. Frustrated, the NLFT has now begun an all out war against Hindu tribals. They have issued fatwas against infidel activities. These fatwas prohibit people from celebrating festivals like Durga Pooja and Makar Sankranthi, listening to Indian music, watching Indian TV channels and films, and prohibit women from wearing bangles or sporting bindis, etc. Just a year before the NLFT started all these atrocities in India, the Southern Baptist Church of the United States of America had given a clarion call to bring the light of the gospel to “millions of Hindus and Jews lost in the darkness” of their religions.

Shreema, the seven-year-old girl from Tripura, died with bullets pumped into her tender body. Her crime was that she violated the Christian fatwa which prohibited her from celebrating an Indian festival. She was not just a victim of barbaric terrorism but she is also a martyr for Indian culture, a culture that has preserved thousands of tribal customs from barbaric persecution. Yet, she will not make it to the glossy covers of the weekly magazines of English speaking Indian media. Unsubstantiated, fabricated stories of Hindu fundamentalists (an oxymoron) killing Christian priests have been making their headlines. However, these fabrications have their use. They do help in the covering up of such acts of Christian love like killing in cold blood a seven-year-old girl or burning a family to death


http://www.stephen-knapp.com/thirteen_y ... ripura.htm

Note that the site above lists all the news reports of those killed by the Christian terrorists, by year.

I'll tot up the total killed and give you a summary of those killed.


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The list of terror acts by the 'Christian Al-Qaeda' as they are sometimes called, is here:
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/NLFT_tl.htm

I make a count of around 32 killed in 2001, in around 20 different incidents.

I submit that my count now stands at considerably more than 20, and that killings/terrorist acts by Christian converts is considerably more than eh-ohs solitary numpty terrorist!!

Note that one of their objectives is to forcibly convert Hindus to Christianity!

To confirm that converts are part of this terrorist organisation - this BBC report states that the conversions to Christianity took place mostly after 1980 (prior to that, only a few thousand were converted). The story also explains how the church was complicit in supplying explosives.:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/717775.stm

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Cool - it looks like you have an example or two.

Care to post where it says converts carried out any of these attacks, including any involvement in the attacks that killed 32 people in 2001?

I know of a Philippine Islamic terror organisation that has at least 50-100 active converts amongst its ranks.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they easily kill more than 32 people per year.
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Here's a BBC article about the Philippine Isalmist terror group, that is made up of converts to Islam:


Philippines arrests key militants
Authorities in the Philippines say they have arrested at least eight suspected militants accused of having links with past attacks in the country's south.

One of those detained was Ahmad Santos, the head of a group of Islamic converts called the Rajah Solaiman Movement.

A military spokesman said the suspects were arrested in pre-dawn raids in the southern city of Zamboanga.

He alleged that they had been planning bomb attacks in predominantly Christian cities around the Philippines.

Weapons, explosives and maps of the capital, Manila, were reportedly seized during the raid.

According to police intelligence officials, the Rajah Solaiman group is believed to have forged an alliance with two al-Qaeda-linked organisations - Philippine-based Abu Sayyaf and the regional militant group Jemaah Islamiah (JI).

Converts to Islam

"This is definitely a big catch," said Lt Gen Edilberto Adan, commander of the army's Southern Command.

Ahmad Santos - also known as Hilarion del Rosario - is believed to have founded the Rajah Solaiman Movement in the late 1990s, after he converted to Islam.

He is then thought to have received bomb training from members of JI on the island of Mindanao.

Members of the Rajah Solaiman group are also suspected to have been involved in the sinking of a ferry near Manila in 2004 - an attack that killed more than 100 people.

Abu Sayyaf has claimed responsibility for that attack, but one of the self-confessed bombers was a Muslim convert from the Rajah Solaiman Movement.

According to security officials, converts are often used to carry out attacks in the Philippines because they can easily blend in with the majority Christian population.

The authorities are concerned that the emergence of convert groups such as the Rajah Solaiman Movement could expand the reach and strength of Abu Sayyaf and JI.
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It looks like the numbers are adding up. Glad we don't disagree that the NLFT are Christian terrorists.

If you read the info I provided, you'll find that these guys are converts from Hinduism - so fits your criteria. One of their aims is to forcibly convert people to Christianity.

It appears you have named terrorists for your list, so it should make your job easier to count the confirmed converts and the numbers of their victims to add to your list of one numpty and x suspects.

Note that my 32 odd deaths are only for 2001, we have 7 more years to add up.. as per the link. So, why don't you tot up the terrorists and victims in Phillipines etc to add to your one British numpty, and I'll do the same for the years 2002 to 2008 (there are so many reports, I'll have to set up a spreadsheet to count the incidents, numbers killed and numbers injured).


I guess your numbers will be lower - so you should be finished before me, (I've given you the link with the list of attacks that I'll be using, so you can verify my figures). I also think we should stick to confirmed attacks by groups, rather than attacks 'suspected' to be carried out - don't you?

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If you read the info I provided, you'll find that these guys are converts from Hinduism


Great - I may have missed it. Where does the link say that converts belong to the National Liberation Front of Tripura?

Perhaps you're thinking of people, animists and Christians, forcibly converted to Islam in the Sudan who were later used to attack their former tribes and villages?

Here is one high profile example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bok

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,, ... 71c,0.html

While it is, to my knowledge, an accepted claim that forced converts to Islam in the Sudan are then used to attack the villages they grew up in, or at least similar villages, I am unaware that there are converts who belong to the National Liberation Front of Tripura.

Perhaps you have specific examples in mind, such as the sinking of a ferry carried out by converts to Islam in the Philippines, the bombing of a Synagogue or a British convert who succesfully blew himself up on a train in London.
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No problems, go back to my posts and you'll see the background to the Tripuran Christians - they are all converts from Hinduism, most converted since 1980, and the first conversions to the Baptist church taking place around 60 years ago.

What is interesting is that the Church is complicit in supplying the explosives etc, and that the Church is funded by Australian and European benefactors. Shocking stuff - Christian terrorists being given support from abroad.

I guess the Indian army is justified to go and bomb Sydney because they give succour to terrorists! ;)

So, let me just tabulate the numbers from the list of terror attacks I gave earlier and then we'll have an updated list for my side - giving numbers of Christian convert terrorists, their victims - both killed and injured.

I'll just stick with actual terrorist attacks - you will need to include 'suspected' terrorists to bolster your count, but I won't bother as I'll have my hands full counting actual attacks.

I won't pester you to update your count - as the onus is now on me to update my count for 2001 to 2009 (my count of 32 for 2001 was a quick estimate).

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No problems, go back to my posts and you'll see the background to the Tripuran Christians - they are all converts from Hinduism, most converted since 1980, and the first conversions to the Baptist church taking place around 60 years ago.


Why get facts in the way of a good story??? A quick look on Wikipedia shows that there are approximately 102,000 Christians in the Indian state of Tripura, with your article saying that the Baptist Church of Tripuran has a few thousand converts (the article does not state if all of these converts are Hindus or if many converts are from different Christian sects and, therefore, do not count as a conversion from one religion to another).

Interesting enough, I notice that you conflate the NFLT with the Baptist Church - apparently unaware that the native Christian population, who are not converts, probably make up the bulk of the NFLT.

I can understand if you are confused - hey, after this thread and the obvious trend of converts to Islam who become radical zealots, I can understand your frustration of having to include a non convert Jewish man and a prime minister who can scarcely be viewed as a radical religious fundamentalist.

As I've said, it must get lonely for Muslims when only converts to Islam are the ones who try to blow things up.
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I guess the above was written before you conceded that the NFLT are converts to Christianity and therefore that my facts were indeed straight.

No probs - we all grab onto tit-bits of info when we think it reinforces our view.

It is interesting though that the 100k Christians are pretty recent converts - and that the NFLT is trying to convert people by force. As these guys were Hindu or Tribal before, it is funny that you're trying to link them to Islam.. but not totally unexpected. ;)

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Here's an article I stumbled upon of Jihad groups in India training converts to Islam to become Jihadists:

On 26 July 2006, Indian Express carried a report on MNP indulging in ‘conversion’ and conducting classes in the name of 'Arivagam' to brainwash new converts, especially scheduled castes, to train and recruit them to Jihadi squads. The MNP is reportedly active in places close to the Kerala border (Theni, Coimbatore, etc), so it can connect with Kerala-based NDF easily. Investigations of Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad, Delhi and Mumbai blasts reveal that Kerala has been a permanent and save haven and a training ground for Islamic terrorists who have been sent on Jihadi missions from Kerala to Kashmir. Just last month, the TMMK inaugurated its political wing in the name of “Manithaneya Makkal Katchi” meaning “Humane People Party”! The leaders of these outfits have also participated in the Calicut conference.


http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisp ... spx?id=439

I wonder how many of these Jihad squads were involved in the Jihad attacks listed in the article?

Also, an article on the growing numbers of Muslim converts in Britain who join the ranks of al-Qaeda:

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/AlQ ... 3667425.jp

The article says that hundreds, possibly as many as 1500, of white Britons have joined the ranks of al-Qaeda and other radicalized militant groups:

HUNDREDS of British non-Muslims have been recruited by al-Qaeda to wage war against the West, senior security sources warned last night.
As many as 1,500 white Britons are believed to have converted to Islam for the purpose of funding, planning and carrying out surprise terror attacks inside the UK, according to one MI5 source.

Lord Carlile, the Government's independent reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation, said many of the converts had been targeted by radical Muslims while serving prison terms.

Security experts say the growing secret army of white terrorists poses a particularly serious threat as they are far less likely to be detected than members of the Asian community.

Since the 7/7 and 21/7 London bombings, police and intelligence services have had considerable success in identifying, disrupting and stopping extremist plots. As a result, groups such as al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen have been forced to change tack. Converting white non-Muslims has been one response.

The trend is well established in the United States. American-born Adam Gadahn is one of the FBI's top 10 most-wanted terrorists after converting to Islam and rising through al-Qaeda's ranks to become a prominent spokesman.

One British security source last night told Scotland on Sunday: "There could be anything up to 1,500 converts to the fundamentalist cause across Britain. They pose a real potential danger to our domestic security because, obviously, these people blend in and do not raise any flags.

"The exact figure of those who have converted to Islam and turned to terror is not precisely known. Not everyone who converts becomes radicalised and it may be that just two-fifths go down that path, but it remains a significant and dangerous problem."

Carlile said he was not aware of specific numbers, but confirmed to Scotland on Sunday that Whitehall was aware of the new threat and was actively tackling it. He said: "These people are an issue and are potentially very dangerous. There have been cases of non-Muslims converting before, and of these, Richard Reid, the so-called Shoebomber, is the most obvious example.

"They are more difficult to detect and the security services are right to place some focus on this issue."

Carlile said the majority of converts were targeted when they were in prison: "These (converts] are outside the standard type of profile which most police forces would have of a terrorist, which is male, young, and of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance. That is why they are so potentially dangerous."

Carlile added: "The Home Office has a lot of money, millions of pounds, which is being put forward for communities and fighting radicalisation. There is no question how tackling this issue is best achieved: it is achieved at a community level."

Security experts say radical Muslims in prison have become adept at identifying potential new recruits to their cause. Those in custody for the first time, the young and the lonely are particularly susceptible.

Initially, the approach is made to comfort, console and support, with very little reference, if any, to religion.

However, after several 'chats', the conversation will be turned towards the subject and, gradually, over a period of weeks or months, it is possible to complete the conversion.

Robert Leiken, director of the Immigration and National Security Programme and a specialist on European Muslims based at the Nixon Centre in Washington DC, said: "To me, the figure of 1,500 seems reasonable as many, perhaps less than a third, will actually go on to become radicals.

"New religious recruits always tend to be more zealous than those who have grown up with that specific religion."

Edwin Bakker, a Dutch-based security specialist, has studied at length the issue of radical conversions. He said: "The question is relevant and timely. Newcomers to Islam are extra-sensitive to perceived discrimination of Muslims and Islam-bashing.

"They feel they have to defend Islam – one of the essential concepts of Jihad – and they feel they have to prove themselves as newcomers."

But one of Scotland's leading Muslims disputed the claims of radicalisation, saying Islam's strict moral code made it unattractive to many westerners.

Bashir Maan added: "I do not know of any Islamist terror group in Scotland and, considering as a Muslim a person must pray five times daily, abstain from drinking (and] sex outside marriage, adhere to strict dietary and many other rules, it is impossible to convert to Islam a young person brought up in this very liberal society.

"I agree that the security services must be vigilant and keep their eye on everybody, but I think in this case they seem to be over-reacting."


http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/AlQ ... 3667425.jp

It's really only a matter of time before these White convert Jihadists carry out attacks - if they haven't already, such as Europe's first female suicide bomber.

So many Western converts to Islam, so many jihad radicals.
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Happy for you to continue to post articles here, but please don't overlook the fact I'm waiting for your updated count over in the 'results' page.

So far, you are lagging quite a way behind with your solitary 'one' numpty terrorist count. I'm at around a conservative 170 and that's only after 3 year's - so the final count may be over 500.. (and that's just in northern India).


The stats aren't looking too good for your argument! It appears that on current stats, Christianity is throwing up more convert terrorists than Islam is. Oh dear - the Fox News brigade will be reeling and I predict even more hype-driven headlines before we get acknowledgment of this fact. ;)

But, as I said, the 'results' thread will settle this argument with statistics.

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It helps to read posts. I've already provided a list of attacks carried out by western converts to Islam - they include a sniping spree, synagogue bombing, suicide bombings and some random shootings, grenade lobbings.

We can also add to that the ferry sinking and Valentine's day bombings by the Philippine Jihad terror group that is made up entirely of converts.

I'm still working the Indian angle right now. The article I posted of Indian convert jihadists and their implication to half a dozen jihad terror attacks on Indian soil will take a while to sift through.
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shafique wrote:Happy for you to continue to post articles here, but please don't overlook the fact I'm waiting for your updated count over in the 'results' page.
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But, as I said, the 'results' thread will settle this argument with statistics.

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