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Have you seen the low temperatures across the world on www.iceagenow.com ?
Not much global warming in evidence!!

I have not read that article but others. Some think global warming leads to an ice age. When enough ice has melted it cools down the oceans which affect the world climate. The astmosphere then gets cooler as well bringing the start of an new ice age. Who knows? There is alot of science that is theory only and not fact.

But there is NO global warming ! NASA temperature data shows that.

The global warming effect you are talking about is if enough of the Greenland ice-cap melts to push too much fressh water into the North Atlantic , thereby finishing the Gulf Stream current which flows from the Caribbean towards NW Europe and gives us mild weather. we are at 52 degrees north in Wales, and on same latitude as Nova Scotia. Only the Gulf Stream keeps us mild.

However, I regard Global warming /climate change as grossly exaggerated or even totally false.

We had a SCORCHING summer in the UK 50 years ago in 1959 and another in 1976. No mention of "global warming" then !!

The USA and Canada had a very cold winter last winter . The UK had a long snowy , cold spell, as well .

Where is the warming??

Sun spots are the MAIN ruler of climate on Earth . There are not many of them at present.

RedKite wrote:But there is NO global warming ! NASA temperature data shows that.

The global warming effect you are talking about is if enough of the Greenland ice-cap melts to push too much fressh water into the North Atlantic , thereby finishing the Gulf Stream current which flows from the Caribbean towards NW Europe and gives us mild weather. we are at 52 degrees north in Wales, and on same latitude as Nova Scotia. Only the Gulf Stream keeps us mild.

However, I regard Global warming /climate change as grossly exaggerated or even totally false.

We had a SCORCHING summer in the UK 50 years ago in 1959 and another in 1976. No mention of "global warming" then !!

The USA and Canada had a very cold winter last winter . The UK had a long snowy , cold spell, as well .

Where is the warming??

Sun spots are the MAIN ruler of climate on Earth . There are not many of them at present.

could it be, an actual post from RK without a plug !


Ok I'll be game and hop in.

For once I agree with RK. The whole global warming thing is a scam and all this go green revolution could be a lame attempt to free the western world from its dependance on oil ( conspricary theory maybe ? ) and to create useless green industries.

The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests, shall we chop them down. All man made green house gases are a fraction of what is produced by nature and nature has been doing this since the begining of time.

In the seventies it was the new Ice age is comming and now within 30 years its melting ? There will always be people who claim doomsday is around the corner, only this time the world is being gay and actually listening to them.

Everyday there is a new doomsday theory to, meteor colisions, to the planets aligning and whacking us out of orbit

Global warming is just another mellenium bug. maybe in the next 30 years the earth would be spliting in to two ?

Even if something is happening a look into history shows the earth has always gone through these climatic cycles why shoukd it stop now. Its all due course in nature.

I'm no scientist but I do know one thing for sure. The north west passage has been a shortcut that many ships have wanted to use. People figured it would never be accessible. So much ice has melted now that it will soon be open year around. Satellite pictures from Nasa show the ice melting. It's not made up. Canada is putting in a deep sea base as everyone now wants to claim the artic. There is alot of resources up there. The so called experts said it would take 30 years for the amount of ice to melt that has disappeared in the last 2 years. So you can say its all hocus pocus or actually look at the facts. That's up to you. Oil tankers are being built right now to navigate the passage. Where do some of you people live? On the moon? It's pretty common knowledge and yet some still have their head stuck in the ground like an ostrich.

Sorry Canucky, I just don't fall for media terror tactics. Facts what facts ? The amount of facts, studies and theories you can come up for global warming there are twice the amount against it.

Like I said in the 70's it was that the world is freezing and a new Ice age in upon us. Now its the exact opposite and you bet ya lil canucky behind in the next 30 it will be something else.

SARS anyone ?

lol I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I just watch the news and like that we have advanced technology like satellites to see the earth. Maybe it will turn around in 20 years. I have no idea. But ice has melted that has not before in 10,000 years. Have a look yourself. Next someone will be telling us man has never landed on the moon either and it was just trick photography.

http://tinyurl.com/p7az3g

There is a link in the article that has a video you can watch from Nasa.

Well Ice melts and its no big mystery. Like I said its all natures due course. What is pathetic is fear mongering and tyring to make a quick buck out of it.

Think about it. If 100% undeniable proof was there that its all a sham do you think they would make it public ? All the green revolution, billions spent in the green industry and research. The millions employed in this created sector. It would be some serious egg in the face.

Not to mention a lot of people are minting a lot of money from this green crap.

Well in Canada we are probally not big on the green kick either. There is only one country at the moment that has more known reserves than us. The Chinese have invested heavily recently in ours.

http://tinyurl.com/ntfchf

GOING GREEN and RUMORS:

Industries start their own rumors to put the fear in people to generate revenue.

What is happening to the air and our environment is being studied by scientists and through research it has been proven that there has been a shift in the quality of our environment. There has to be with all the chemicals that are used in everything we eat and products made. Of course the US government has controlled the use of pesticides by limiting the amount that can be used when spraying. They also allow for a certain percentage of absorption into the food, which in turn is ingested, of course it's a "healthy" allowance. Pesticides used on all food grown pollute the air and the body. When products containing high chemical doses are disposed of, by burning or deterioration, the gases released pollute the air and the earth. This is man's doing, not nature.

So is "going green" necessary or not? If it was, governments would need to act and eliminate. To do that would mean the end to some things and stict control on other things. It would also mean hurting some very big businesses. So to keep a balance, government is telling you what you can do, eg. going green, while you are being poisoned slowly.

On rumors: this brings to mind when the clock was to strike midnight, 31 December, leaving 1999 behind and entering into 2000 there was a "rumor" that all the computers all over the world were going to go haywire because a virus would strike servers and what have you. This rumor started a couple of months prior to the end of 1999. And what hit the market?? Programs that would prevent your computer from shutting down and the loss of all information. And then what happened to those computers that weren't "protected" when the clock struck midnite? Nothing!!!! It all boiled down to it being a scam and people panicking based on a rumor. And where did this rumor stem from? Well let's just say that companies that created these programs - which hit the market pretty fast - made a lot of money.

How many pharaceutical companies started rumors about certain explosions of diseases and had the meds to prevent the spread or infection and people ran out getting innoculated? In the USA it takes years for meds to be approved before hitting the market, but in those instances it takes days or weeks. How many people suffered side effects, children born with birth defects because of those rumors? Thalidomide anyone? Pharma companies make money and their stocks increase in value.

It comes down to one basic thing: BIG BUSINESS and MONEY. This is the world we live in.

Couldn't have set it better my self.

Although I am agaisnt polution and cutting down trees.

oohh..

Before writing this I get a feeling where its all heading


AL GORE - carbon credits anyone ?

desertdudeshj wrote:

RedKite wrote:The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests,
.

Desertdude - you sure about that? Trees and plants photosynthesise and turn CO2 into O2.....

harrypic wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:

RedKite wrote:The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests,
.

Desertdude - you sure about that? Trees and plants photosynthesise and turn CO2 into O2.....

Yes I'm sure about that and very well aware of photosynthesis

desertdudeshj wrote:

harrypic wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:

RedKite wrote:The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests,
.

Desertdude - you sure about that? Trees and plants photosynthesise and turn CO2 into O2.....

Yes I'm sure about that and very well aware of photosynthesis

So how can they be the biggest producers of CO2 when they absorb CO2?

I'm scratching my head over that remark as well. Do people just post anything, or do they actually read on the subject?

I did NOT say that the biggest producers of CO2 are rain forests. Desert Dude said that.
Trees take in CO2 during photosynthesis and give out oxygen,thereby trapping carbon.
Mammals need O2 to breathe obviously, so the more trees the better.
Plankton in our oceans is the BIGGEST trapper of CO2 ,because the oceans , are so vast.
A HUGE problem is the population explosion in the 3rd world. The world has over 6.5 BILLION people now , with massive populations or population growths in Africa,China, India, SE Asia, Brazil , Bangladesh etc.
The people who cannot afford the children have the biggest families. Italy, Spain and Greece which used to have high birth rates ,are now amongst the lowest in the world.

The 3rd world people will want cars, fridges, freezers etc....all the electricity/fossil using goods of the developed world.
A major problem is arising.

HOWEVER, I think that ice-melt due to man is exaggerated. Who says that it is the greatest ice-melt for 10000 YEARS?
During the MEDIAEVAL WARM PERIOD from about AD 800 to AD 1400, grapes were grown almost as far north as Scotland and Greenland was farmed by the Vikings. You can't farm Greenland today anything like that.
How do you know that sea passages were not open? They must have been in the Warm Period..

Then the Little Ice Age of 1600 to 1850 saw the THAMES FREEZE HARD in winter and ICE FAIRS held on the ice.

That was down to SUN SPOTS and Icelandic volcanic activity that threw millions of toones of fine dust into the atmosphere, cutting out the sun's rays and cooling Europe.

One reason that the NORTH EAST passage around Siberia is opening in SUMMER is better, stronger ice-breaking ships and satellite photos for guidance are better.

Arctic ice has been melting in summer but GAINING again in winter . Check www.iceagenow.com again.

harrypic wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:

RedKite wrote:The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests,
.

Desertdude - you sure about that? Trees and plants photosynthesise and turn CO2 into O2.....

plants capture the Carbon in the atmosphere, and release the oxygen. carbon from atmposphere and hydrogen from water are the bricks that make up plants.
The biggest producers of gas that create the greenhouse effect are the cows human feed on, each one farts 16 gal of methane everyday , and methane is 20 times more potent than carbon dioxyde.

I've heard that before about cows. About time they start capturing that methane then. We can burn it in cars. Invent something that will do that and you can probally retire. Could be money in the "backend" of a cow. lol

This is nonsense!!

The biggest global warming "gas" is WATER VAPOUR in the atmosphere, not CO2 .
CO 2 is VERY small, but super-hyped !!

Where the hell is the global WARMING? NASA stats say there has been none for over a decade.

Look at temperature stats for USA etc on www.iceagenow.com !!

WHERE is the global warming?
The Arctic may be melting in summer around the edges , but it re-freezes in winter.

Trees and PLANKTON in the vast oceans trap CO2 from the atmosphere , anyway. The oceans are the MOST important factor.

As for cows......more comes from BURPING than F*RTING !!


I've seen it on farming programmes on TV.

Anyway, what about the population explosion of PEOPLE to 6.5 BILLION in a short time?

Canuck ,

You mention SEA ICE. Look at this from www.iceagenow.com and the Sunday Telegraph in UK.:-


Arctic sea-ice 500,000 square kilometers (190,000 sq miles) more than at this time last year
By Christopher Booker
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05 Sep 09 – Excerpts - “BBC viewers were treated last week to the bizarre spectacle of Mr Ban Ki-moon standing on an Arctic ice-floe making a series of statements so laughable that it was hard to believe such a man can be Secretary-General of the UN. Thanks to global warming, he claimed, "100 billion tons" of polar ice are melting each year, so that within 30 years the Arctic could be "ice-free". This was supported by a WWF claim that the ice is melting so fast that, by 2100, sea-levels could rise by 1.2 metres (four feet), which would lead to "floods affecting a quarter of the world".

“Everything about this oft-repeated item was propaganda of the silliest kind. Standing 700 miles from the Pole, as near as the stubbornly present ice would allow his ship to go, Mr Ban seemed unaware that, although some 10 million square kilometres (3.8 million square miles) of sea-ice melts each summer, each September the Arctic starts to freeze again. And the extent of the ice now is 500,000 sq km (190,000 sq miles) greater than it was this time last year – which was, in turn, 500,000 sq km more than in September 2007, the lowest point recently recorded (see the Cryosphere Today website). By April, after months of darkness, it will be back up to 14 million sq km (5.4 million sq m) or more.

Read that again: “The extent of the ice now is 500,000 sq km
(190,000 sq miles) greater than it was this time last year – which
was, in turn, 500,000 sq km more than in September 2007.”

And did you catch the fact that the ship was still 700 miles from
the Pole because there was so much ice?

“Mr Ban seems equally unaware that, even if all that sea-ice were to melt, this would no more raise sea-levels than a cube of ice melting in a gin and tonic increases the volume of liquid in the glass. If he is relying for his "100 billion tons" on land ice melting in Antarctica and Greenland, he should note that much of their ice sheets are growing rather than shrinking. His "100 billion tons" is fantasy.”

See entire great article, entitled “Arctic ice proves to be slippery stuff”
Was that headline trying to disguise the fact that there’s a half-million
square kilometers more ice now than there was a year ago at this time?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... ce-proves- to-be-slippery-stuff.html
Thanks to Ray Lynch in Dublin for this link

capsicum wrote:

harrypic wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:

RedKite wrote:The biggest producer of Co2 are the rain forests,
.

Desertdude - you sure about that? Trees and plants photosynthesise and turn CO2 into O2.....

plants capture the Carbon in the atmosphere, and release the oxygen. carbon from atmposphere and hydrogen from water are the bricks that make up plants.
The biggest producers of gas that create the greenhouse effect are the cows human feed on, each one farts 16 gal of methane everyday , and methane is 20 times more potent than carbon dioxyde.

Absolutely correct - but what has that to do with Rainforests being the biggest producers of CO2? Cows eat grass, not rainforests.

Is that the best retort you can do after 3 days of thinking one

This is confusing, yet it's schoolboy stuff.

PLANTS ABSORB CARBON DIOXIDE DURING PHOTOSYNTHESIS , USE THE CARBON TO BUILD THE PLANT .......AND GIVE OUT THE OXYGEN !!

ANIMALS BREATHE IN OXYGEN AND BREATHE OUT CO2.
CATTLE EMIT METHANE FROM THE GUT IN BURPS AND FAR*S .
PEOPLE FA*T METHANE TOO !!

GRASS AND RAINFORESTS ABSORB CO2 DURING PHOTOSYNTHESIS !!
LIGHT IS NEEDED TOO....HENCE PHOTO .........SYNTHESIS!!

RedKite wrote:This is confusing, yet it's schoolboy stuff.

PLANTS ABSORB CARBON DIOXIDE DURING PHOTOSYNTHESIS , USE THE CARBON TO BUILD THE PLANT .......AND GIVE OUT THE OXYGEN !!

ANIMALS BREATHE IN OXYGEN AND BREATHE OUT CO2.
CATTLE EMIT METHANE FROM THE GUT IN BURPS AND FAR*S .
PEOPLE FA*T METHANE TOO !!

GRASS AND RAINFORESTS ABSORB CO2 DURING PHOTOSYNTHESIS !!
LIGHT IS NEEDED TOO....HENCE PHOTO .........SYNTHESIS!!

Only confusing to some...

No ice melting? Just ask the people that went through the North West passage. Guess they know nothing because all the experts on the matter are here in the forums. lol What a joke.

http://tinyurl.com/maafw6

It was said that the North EAST passage has never been ice free before..........yet small ships were getting through in summer 70 YEARS ago and at various times before and after.

There is a lot of GW EXAGGERATION and SPIN!!

Look at Al Gore !! That hypocrite burns MORE electricity at his Nashville, Tennessee mansion ......than many a large VILLAGE in the UK !!

Canuck,

It says on the top of your video link North EAST passage navigated...not north WEST!!

Here's a link for the retarded who could not be bothered to even look on a map and see they both go through the same place when they meet up. The ice is melting. If you refuse to believe satellite pictures showing that, then you are brain dead. lol

http://icons-pe.wxug.com/data/climate_images/N_passages_w_names.gif