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In a startling revelation, the former commander of Abu Ghraib prison testified that Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, former senior US military commander in Iraq, gave orders to cover up the cause of death for some female American soldiers serving in Iraq.

Last week, Col. Janis Karpinski told a panel of judges at the Commission of Inquiry for Crimes against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration in New York that several women had died of dehydration because they refused to drink liquids late in the day. They were afraid of being assaulted or even raped by male soldiers if they had to use the women’s latrine after dark.

The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn’t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom. “There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night,” Karpinski told retired US Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview.

It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers. So the women took matters into their own hands. They didn’t drink in the late afternoon so they wouldn’t have to urinate at night. They didn’t get raped. But some died of dehydration in the desert heat, Karpinski said.

Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition’s joint task force said in a briefing that “women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.”

“And rather than make everybody aware of that — because that’s shocking, and as a leader if that’s not shocking to you then you’re not much of a leader — what they told the surgeon to do is don’t brief those details anymore. And don’t say specifically that they’re women. You can provide that in a written report but don’t brief it in the open anymore.”

Soruce: http://susiemadrak.com/index.php?s=afra ... mit=Search

Hummm.... Western democracies at work.

The article to which you refer has no basis, it is just something that has been written by a poster and gives no links to the actual report.

On doing a MSN search i could find no official reference or report about this allegedged incident.

It was probably written and made up by some Loony.

Of course, the West is PERFECT and has NO faults...

This has to be a fake....

If the poster can substansiate its source i will stand corrected.

arniegang wrote:The article to which you refer has no basis.

if you really wana know the truth.. u would search well ...

check this dude

http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=10123

The links you are posting is just a collection of anti US freeks. rambling on. There are no links to the actual reports in the press or TV.

It is nice to deal with fact, as opposed to the rants of people with hatred.

Please post the articles in the press to which this refers.

For Western countries are infallable ofcourse...

I doubt any of you are soldiers, so let me give you a little insight.

We protect our fellow soldiers with our life, our purpose now is to get home safely.

If the latrines are in a dangerous position then they will be guarded to ensure female safety.

arniegang wrote:The links you are posting is just a collection of anti US freeks. rambling on. There are no links to the actual reports in the press or TV.

And So was the torturing and the killing of prisoners in US jails in Iraq and everywhere. This is how it started.. and time took care of making it a fact.!!!

the same also the story of WMD in IRAQ.!!!

And so on using the prohibited weapons in iraq untill the italian channel revealed it!!!!

And so the attempt of killing the italian journalist in iraq...!!!

and so on ...

The sun of truth cant be covered with a person's hand.

and your point is..................??

arniegang wrote:and your point is..................??

The things i have pointed out USED to be crap provided by anti war FREAKs - as u call them- .. its not facts.. no one could deny them any more.

intimacy

you have clearly "lost the plot". your lack of understanding of the simplistic of posts confirm this

i stated

The links you are posting is just a collection of anti US freeks.


This is not the same as you quoted

"Anti war freeks".


Indeed, your interpretation is the opposite of my meaning.

arniegang wrote:intimacy

you have clearly "lost the plot". your lack of understanding of the simplistic of posts confirm this

i stated

The links you are posting is just a collection of anti US freeks.


This is not the same as you quoted

"Anti war freeks".


Indeed, your interpretation is the opposite of my meaning.

No Dear, I didnt.

you have said that the reposts which i have posted are from "Anti war freaks". and i said and So the points above... when it was first published.. it was posted by "Anti war freaks" and now those freaks turn out to be telling the truth.

arniegang wrote:The links you are posting is just a collection of anti US freeks. rambling on. There are no links to the actual reports in the press or TV.

It is nice to deal with fact, as opposed to the rants of people with hatred.

Please post the articles in the press to which this refers.

Intimacy - can you not read ???


go back to start, read, and get your facts correct before enging your gob.

arniegang wrote:

Intimacy - can you not read ???


go back to start, read, and get your facts correct before enging your gob.

arniegang - cant you understand!!

Go back and read my post dude.

Intimacy, sorry to say that this can happen all over the world. Please stop just higlighting things the 'west' do.

If you're going to play it that way, what about the fanatics who don't care about killing their 'Muslim' brothers and sisters, just because they got in the way? What about what these people are doing to their own? Don't sling mud if you're not prepared to have similar things thrown back at you.

I think things are getting personal here...

when i say west.. i made it clear its the Governments.. not the ppl pals...

lets stop taking it personal.. and lets stop defending our selves.


Nothing is perfect.

Dear.. about the muslims who you are refering to i would tell u something.. let me post the whole article since no one read the link i have posted.


Suicide bombers in Iraq often drive American

BRYAN BENDER; The Boston Globe
Published: October 2nd, 2005 12:01 AM


WASHINGTON – The FBI’s counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of U.S.-based theft rings after discovering that some of the cars used in deadly bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians, probably were stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.
Inspector John Lewis, deputy assistant director of the FBI for counterterrorism, told the Boston Globe that the investigation hasn’t yielded any evidence that the cars were stolen specifically for suicide bombings.

But there is evidence, he said, that the cars were smuggled from the United States as part of a widespread criminal network that includes terrorists and insurgents.

Terrorism specialists think Iraqi insurgents prefer American stolen cars because they tend to be larger, blend in better with U.S. convoys and are harder to identify as stolen.

Cracking the theft rings and tracing the cars could help identify the leaders of insurgent forces in Iraq and shut down at least one of the means they use to attack the U.S.-led coalition and the Iraqi government, the officials said.

The inquiry began after coalition troops raided a bomb-making factory in Fallujah last November and found a sport utility vehicle registered in Texas that was being prepared for a bombing mission.

Investigators said they are comparing other cases in which cars evidently stolen in the United States wound up in Syria or other countries in the Middle East and into the hands of Iraqi insurgent groups – including al-Qaida in Iraq, led by Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Citing the sensitive nature of the ongoing inquiry, investigators wouldn’t say how many cases they have found, and FBI spokesman Edwin Cogswell in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

But Lewis said the origins of the cars in question were unearthed by tracing the vehicle identification numbers, or VINs – a standard production marker stamped on during manufacture – as well as through other forensic tools, such as auto parts.

Some of the cars can be easily identified, specialists said, while others have had their VINs ground down or have been fitted with fake ones.

Investigators believe the cars were stolen by local car thieves in U.S. cities, then smuggled to waiting ships at ports in Los Angeles, Seattle and Houston, among other cities. From there they are shipped to black-market dealers throughout the world, including in places like Syria, where foreign militants fighting in Iraq are thought to be traveling from countries across the region and where they gain critical logistical support.

“It is getting a tremendous amount of attention in the U.S. government,” said Steven Emerson, who runs the Investigative Project on Terrorism, a Washington research firm that consults for law enforcement and intelligence agencies. “We have gotten more calls on this than anything else in the last three or four weeks. (Car theft) is an unregulated market. Some of the proceeds are going to terrorists.”

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, more than 1 million cars were stolen from U.S. streets in 2003, the most recent statistics available.

Officials think the cars insurgents use were stolen from locations as varied as Virginia, Maryland, Texas and Florida.

The new disclosures are part of a pattern, according to government officials. U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies are finding more links between violent Islamic extremists groups and vast criminal enterprises such as drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, and car theft.

Although the federal government has cut off some of the terrorists’ access to money, including freezing bank accounts of suspect groups and individuals and pressuring Middle Eastern governments to terminate aid, terrorists have found means to raise cash, acquire weapons or gain other logistical help.

Facing greater scrutiny, terrorist groups create and sell fake documents to insurance fraud, according to the FBI and other law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

Investigators say the criminal activities terrorists use to raise money Taliban and al-Qaida followers are thought to be heavily involved in the expanding heroin trade in Afghanistan, and a U.S.-based cigarette smuggling ring was linked to Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.


http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nati ... 6155c.html


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STOP fooling your selves..... here are the link which has the Video.. Facts.. Documents... and facts and history..

http://www.archive.org/download/911theRoadtoTyranny/911theroadtotyranny.wmv

Its for free (245 MB)

and here is the website: http://www.archive.org/details/911theRoadtoTyranny

If u will not believe.. then.. its the old say which says: you can bring the horse to the water... but you cant force him to drink.

It's a good saying, and personally I've had a gutful of people blaming each other - does it have anything to do with us - not really. If everyone just tried to get along then things would be fine, I'm sick to death of people ranting about who did what to who - who cares!!!

So why don't we set an example and stop trying to justify or diss things and just get along?