WHY SOME... TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERSIAN GULF NAME TO OTHER?

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May 23, 2009
bezor wrote:“lovers of rhetoric and meaningless symbols”???

I guess the British went half way across the world to the Maldives (oh sorry Falklands) for vacation.

Have yet to meet a Britt not correcting me when I say Maldives. I know the Arab history of the land around The Persian Gulf. Do you know your Arab history or is it just what you heard from your family?

You should know that it is common for people migrating to other part of the world to remember their old land as something of an oasis.

But I see you have adapted the superior attitude of the British. They have deserved it. I admit to that. :D


hahaha!!!! I don't think you mean Maldives. Perhaps Las Malvinas? As I said, it's a shame that you still have not read the whole of this thread as you might have used the correct name which I already mentioned. I can imagine why you get corrected when you name islands that are in another hemisphere entirely.... :roll:

The Falkland Islands are populated by people who without exception wanted to remain British, not be Argentine. The Falkland Islands over the centuries in fact have belonged to various nations, but I think never to Argentina....your knowledge of this matter is obviously very poor indeed.

In any case, the matter of the occupation of land as sovereign territory is very different to the naming of bodies of water over which no country at all has sovereign rights. You are being a little silly mate. Stick to local matter and history where you may have more luck, although I still cannot believe that you think there were no Arabs in this region prior to formation of the Trucial States (also known as Trucial Oman) by the British. Exactly who do you think the British were governing when they came here? Asking me where I received my knowledge of history is no substitute for telling us what you think. So there were no Arabs in this region before the British came? I know the region was very sparsely populated, are you saying it was populated entirely by Persians? Please explain, as I am obviously confused.

My 'superiority' in terms of knowledge over you seems obvious, I claim no other superiority, and you are being offensive by saying that I do. I'm sorry that you feel my statement of clear facts leads to you to believe that I am doing anything other than pointing out your errors. It was after all you that criticised my post first.

I hope your understanding of the facts is improved now. No hard feelings from this side. ;)

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May 23, 2009
I wonder what dino's used to call it? Persian changed it to Persian gulf, now Arabs changing it to Arabian gulf... names change with time, get over it. :roll:
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bezor wrote:“lovers of rhetoric and meaningless symbols”???

I guess the British went half way across the world to the Maldives (oh sorry Falklands) for vacation.

Have yet to meet a Britt not correcting me when I say Maldives. I know the Arab history of the land around The Persian Gulf. Do you know your Arab history or is it just what you heard from your family?

You should know that it is common for people migrating to other part of the world to remember their old land as something of an oasis.

But I see you have adapted the superior attitude of the British. They have deserved it. I admit to that. :D


hahaha!!!! I don't think you mean Maldives. Perhaps Las Malvinas? As I said, it's a shame that you still have not read the whole of this thread as you might have used the correct name which I already mentioned. I can imagine why you get corrected when you name islands that are in another hemisphere entirely.... :roll:

The Falkland Islands are populated by people who without exception wanted to remain British, not be Argentine. The Falkland Islands over the centuries in fact have belonged to various nations, but I think never to Argentina....your knowledge of this matter is obviously very poor indeed.

In any case, the matter of the occupation of land as sovereign territory is very different to the naming of bodies of water over which no country at all has sovereign rights. You are being a little silly mate. Stick to local matter and history where you may have more luck, although I still cannot believe that you think there were no Arabs in this region prior to formation of the Trucial States (also known as Trucial Oman) by the British. Exactly who do you think the British were governing when they came here? Asking me where I received my knowledge of history is no substitute for telling us what you think. So there were no Arabs in this region before the British came? I know the region was very sparsely populated, are you saying it was populated entirely by Persians? Please explain, as I am obviously confused.

My 'superiority' in terms of knowledge over you seems obvious, I claim no other superiority, and you are being offensive by saying that I do. I'm sorry that you feel my statement of clear facts leads to you to believe that I am doing anything other than pointing out your errors. It was after all you that criticised my post first.

I hope your understanding of the facts is improved now. No hard feelings from this side. ;)



Sorry for printing the name wrong. It’s Malvinas. Was in a hurry.

I understand the dilemma of some Arabs regarding their efforts to create a new identity, especially the ones in EU and even more the second generation born in EU. Wanting the Persian Gulf to be Arabian seems to be part of it. Having been a teenager myself, I know things can be confusing. If it makes you feel better then go ahead and call it Arabian.

Since we seem unable to understand each other, I suggest we both think what we want and be happy about it. No hard feelings from this side either and good luck.
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May 23, 2009
Yes it may be really about young nations trying to create an Arab identity, as Arab countries seem to have trouble uniting, politically. So perhaps it's not only about pride. Thanks for the thought, which I really hadn't considered.

Personally I call it Persian Gulf anyway :)
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Speedhump wrote:Yes it may be really about young nations trying to create an Arab identity, as Arab countries seem to have trouble uniting, politically. So perhaps it's not only about pride. Thanks for the thought, which I really hadn't considered.

Personally I call it Persian Gulf anyway :)


Creating identity is the key reason behind this dispute.

Iran's international isolation among the upcoming economic GCC block is a driver for that reason.
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May 23, 2009
Wow it took us 5 pages of cr*p to finally come up with the answer? :D :D
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Speedhump wrote:Wow it took us 5 pages of cr*p to finally come up with the answer? :D :D


Some cameldrivers are slower than others ;)

This should have been in your enyclopedia by now :D
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May 23, 2009
I'm including you with the slowcoaches, dear toiletclogger...the topic was WHY SOME... TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERSIAN GULF NAME TO OTHER? and you only just came up with the answer too (after bezor actually) :D :P 8)
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Speedhump wrote:I'm including you with the slowcoaches, dear toiletclogger...the topic was WHY SOME... TRYING TO CHANGE THE PERSIAN GULF NAME TO OTHER? and you only just came up with the answer too (after bezor actually) :D :P 8)


Because I think this topic was another 'fun' topic.

After 2200 years of Persian Gulf, the Arabs (since 100 years) try to gain some identity by renaming it Arabian Gulf, but historically speaking, its still the Persian Gulf in my eyes.

I do understand the momentum of Irans economic isolation together with 50 years of GCC rise, that this issue rises to the occassion.
Economic power just raises ones competitiveness and mankinds demanding nature. Perhaps Iran will one day step forward and put the heels in the sand and locks every economic driver in the region.

Wanna bet it will be renamed Persian Gulf again ;)
In the meantime: Lets keep both parties happy and name the northern part: Persian Gulf and the southern part: Arabian Gulf.

Everybody happy :idea:
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May 23, 2009
Everybody happy...not sure, you and I are of course...but this matter obviously hits some sensitive nerves if you look thru the posts!

Not just a fun post for some :!: :D
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May 24, 2009
6000 years of Persian Gulf ? Don't think so! How long have the Persians been in Persia?

The English only left Germany for Britain 1500 years ago.....and spoke GERMANIC.

Today's English only dates back 600 years.

Whatever the Persians called it was a term in their own language.
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May 24, 2009
RedKite wrote:6000 years of Persian Gulf ? Don't think so! How long have the Persians been in Persia?

The English only left Germany for Britain 1500 years ago.....and spoke GERMANIC.

Today's English only dates back 600 years.

Whatever the Persians called it was a term in their own language.


I did some further webresearch and the Persian Gulf has an Iranian identity for some 2200 years. I edited from 6000 (shout) to 2200 (determined).

Nonetheless its Persian Gulf with respect to history.

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Hi Robby ,
How's it going? I'd like to know how long the Netherlands has been "Holland" ??

I mean places like Friesland ; Utrecht ; Mastricht etc .
How long have they been in "Holland"??
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RedKite wrote:Hi Robby ,
How's it going? I'd like to know how long the Netherlands has been "Holland" ??

I mean places like Friesland ; Utrecht ; Mastricht etc .
How long have they been in "Holland"??


Allright Red Kite,

For once and for all, I'll explain it ágain: ;)

Official international name is: The Netherlands
Historical influences of the VOC fleets that explored the worldseas sailing from coastal "Holland", (provinces Noord-Holland and South-Holland) are known with the Spanish fleet as "Ollandes".
The French name us: Les Pays-Bas.

Our countries economic centre named 'Randstad' is spread across Noordholland and Zuidholland (provinces). Amsterdam (capital) is located in Noordholland.

Holland is historically allowed.
The Netherlands is politically correct :D

....sigh 8)
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