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This is such a nice video to get the V10 thrill of the latest BMW 2009 M5 while driving. You can hear the power coming from the barking sound alone. Its an awesome powerhouse.

(first wait for the advertisement to pass)

http://www.motortrend.com/av/features/1 ... index.html

Any sugarmommies around?

Robby needs some of this 'lovin'.
M3 V8 will do just fine also

The 2009 M5 is one of he most eagerly awaited cars here. Its gonna find stiff competition from the Cadillac CTS-V and because of the nature of the market here the new Merc E-350( V6 3.5 litres). Pricing is gonna play an important role here.

Besides the Camaro has officially been sighted on Dubai's roads, so before long expect some VIP guest list to be delivered the first models.
The Nissan GTR( not yet officially launched) is already owned by quite a few.

U should get ur a$$ down here. With ur qualifications, if you nail a job, a V6 could be yours in no time.

I find the Audi S8 to be the ultimate V10

Misery Called Life wrote:
U should get ur a$$ down here. With ur qualifications, if you nail a job, a V6 could be yours in no time.

The bad part is, job first, car second.

The good part is, I already have a BMW straight six. A E36 2.0 liter 150hp Coupé Executive. Its a very smooth six cilinder.

My dream still is the E92/E93 M3 or the E63 M6. Still far from my bed though.

The M5 is the best car for the money.

How else can you beat on 430's, 360's, gallardo's etc. and still have room for the kids and golf clubs?

Fcuking hate BMWs specially the M series wow If I pay 40,000 $ US extra over the regular 540i I will reach 100kph 2 seconds faster and will be able to take a corner 5 kph faster.WOW!. Also not to mention the fact the 5 series has always been the ugliest BMWs lineup until now and is only beaten in uglyness by the new X6

Get proper muscle like the vettes, vipers and the new absolutely to die for will give up my left nut for it 2010 Camaro *drool*

Nothing beats the sound of an american V8 gurguling. That itself is priceless.

Oh an not to forget the new GT-R R 35, Yowza that is one mean mother, I take than over a pretend sports car namely the BMW M's or Merc AMG's

desertdudeshj wrote:Fcuking hate BMWs specially the M series wow If I pay 40,000 $ US extra over the regular 540i I will reach 100kph 2 seconds faster and will be able to take a corner 5 kph faster.WOW!. Also not to mention the fact the 5 series has always been the ugliest BMWs lineup until now and is only beaten in uglyness by the new X6

Get proper muscle like the vettes, vipers and the new absolutely to die for will give up my left nut for it 2010 Camaro *drool*

Nothing beats the sound of an american V8 gurguling. That itself is priceless.

Oh an not to forget the new GT-R R 35, Yowza that is one mean mother, I take than over a pretend sports car namely the BMW M's or Merc AMG's

Proper muscle HAAH. C'mon dude, you must be kidding.

The engines alone have more power than a gurguling gaz guzler will ever produce. BMW V8 and V10 engines are engineered and manufactured at their Formula 1 laboratories. 8300rpm in a production engine !! The piston nearly exits the cilinder block with those speeds!! Its top end of technological material capability. Its top notch engineering with a engineered sound where your bullocks would want to grow from immediately if you hear it next to you.

No DD, you don't have the feeling for fine art thats for sure. Where an American muscle car gives up on the highway at 180 km/h by rammbling to pieces, or losing a gearbox or throw its bearings out from under... a German BMW or Mercator will show you how its done. They are engineered to keep going under all types of internal stresses intermitted by that foot on the throttle.

No DD, you first need the experience the fine art of a balanced BMW before you talk about the simple (failed GM, Ford and Chrysler) guzzlers that never heard of innovation.



Cheers mate

M5 is a better engineered, better performing car than any american POS, bar the z06.

But Can your Z06 fit golf clubs and 2 hoes in the back?

Thats the thing, your choices are so baised because you just can't see past the badges anymore. You wouldn't know a god car if it came and rammed you in the rear end.

Anything with a BMW, MERC or Porsche Badge at it has to be good and expensive. Yes BMW and Merc did make good cars and once and their build quality was lengendary. But have you actually driven or owned any thing from this century. Its like they were put together using kids gum. Door panels start peeling, dashboards start to go wobbly. Not to mention the over engineered electrics, array of sensors and ecus start to act up. Then your very sleek and smart car is just a dumb fcuk left stranded on the roadside. Because the LED in the dashwent out and the main ECU went into critical error mode and shut itself down Maybe these hunk a junks do well im the european climate but here usually melt away in a couple of years

I've usually seen europeans have this sort of mentality. If BMW put four wheels on a turd and stuck a badge in front it would considered exotic !

Truth of the matter is these people made good cars like the top end Merc S series and the budget E190's still going strong. And BMW a decent one every now and then too. But not anymore.

Yes the americans have their faults too, but atleast they don't pretend to be somnething they are not and dont cost an arm and a leg for 1 second less.

For the price of M5 I can buy a couple of CR8s and smoke the M5 to kingdom come and still have change left over for a corolla.

You really don't want to talk shop about cars with someone whos been in the industry for sometime and is a petrol head and not to mention cars are his hobby, passion and work.

Thats the thing, your choices are so baised because you just can't see past the badges anymore. You wouldn't know a god car if it came and rammed you in the rear end.

Anything with a BMW, MERC or Porsche Badge at it has to be good and expensive. Yes BMW and Merc did make good cars and once and their build quality was lengendary. But have you actually driven or owned any thing from this century. Its like they were put together using kids gum. Door panels start peeling, dashboards start to go wobbly. Not to mention the over engineered electrics, array of sensors and ecus start to act up. Then your very sleek and smart car is just a dumb fcuk left stranded on the roadside. Because the LED in the dashwent out and the main ECU went into critical error mode and shut itself down Maybe these hunk a junks do well im the european climate but here usually melt away in a couple of years

I've usually seen europeans have this sort of mentality. If BMW put four wheels on a turd and stuck a badge in front it would considered exotic !

Truth of the matter is these people made good cars like the top end Merc S series and the budget E190's still going strong. And BMW a decent one every now and then too. But not anymore.

Yes the americans have their faults too, but atleast they don't pretend to be somnething they are not and dont cost an arm and a leg for 1 second less.

For the price of M5 I can buy a couple of CR8s and smoke the M5 to kingdom come and still have change left over for a corolla.

You really don't want to talk shop about cars with someone whos been in the industry for sometime and is a petrol head and not to mention cars are his hobby, passion and work.

desertdudeshj wrote:Thats the thing, your choices are so baised because you just can't see past the badges anymore. You wouldn't know a god car if it came and rammed you in the rear end.

Anything with a BMW, MERC or Porsche Badge at it has to be good and expensive. Yes BMW and Merc did make good cars and once and their build quality was lengendary. But have you actually driven or owned any thing from this century. Its like they were put together using kids gum. Door panels start peeling, dashboards start to go wobbly. Not to mention the over engineered electrics, array of sensors and ecus start to act up. Then your very sleek and smart car is just a dumb fcuk left stranded on the roadside. Because the LED in the dashwent out and the main ECU went into critical error mode and shut itself down Maybe these hunk a junks do well im the european climate but here usually melt away in a couple of years

I've usually seen europeans have this sort of mentality. If BMW put four wheels on a turd and stuck a badge in front it would considered exotic !

Truth of the matter is these people made good cars like the top end Merc S series and the budget E190's still going strong. And BMW a decent one every now and then too. But not anymore.

Yes the americans have their faults too, but atleast they don't pretend to be somnething they are not and dont cost an arm and a leg for 1 second less.

For the price of M5 I can buy a couple of CR8s and smoke the M5 to kingdom come and still have change left over for a corolla.

You really don't want to talk shop about cars with someone whos been in the industry for sometime and is a petrol head and not to mention cars are his hobby, passion and work.

Allright we're going here! This is an interesting discussion and trust me, I know my share of what I talk about. So bring it on DD

First of all, you are right. It aint all black and white like that. There's grey also.

BMW and especially the S-Class Merc's have issues with electronics. Way to many tricks and shit that got to their reputation(s). But, if you're a leading car manufacturer, its necessary to acknowledge some mistakes and actually learn from them. And if there are two brands in the world that follow Strict German Protocol in engineering practices (read: discipline), then it would be BMW and Mercedes Benz.

Those faults and errors are mostly engineered out of the system already, logically. And yes, the 1 series is produced cheaper than a family 3 series or a 5 to 7 series or 6 series sports coupé. You can buy any options you want to upgrade, but thats a market too... thats where the real money is made (aftermarket, customization). I presume its daily business for you (although jobless like me )

Anyways, sure there are nice American brands, but in the end, I rather pay something more for a car that drives 15 years without too many recurring maintenance issues (and I'm not talking about racing, but normal driving) together with economical fuel usage numbers (especially important in Europe with fuel prices around $7.50 per gallon (US) of fuel)

If you pay my gasoline prices here in Holland, you start thinking about endurance and economical performance. Even a M5 V10 guzzles way less than the Average American Muscle. And recent BMW engine updates (Merc also) have 15 to 20 percent increases in power with 10 to 20 percent decreases in fuel consumption.

Now thats what I call proper engineering and use of technology (piezo injection systems etc)

Wanna talk more about specific engine technology now? My passion starts dripping....

RobbyG wrote: I rather pay something more for a car that drives 15 years without too many recurring maintenance issues

In a hurry now so will try to keep it short.

All I can say regarding this is what I see in real life and not paper. There are a hell lot of Older BMW's and Merc's ( Anywhere from late 80's to late 90's ) on the road here and then the Newer models a few years old. And a real lack of 2000ish models. Specially BMW's. Now the real test is will we still well running 2009's and 10's 10 to 15 yrs from now. I seriously doubt it !

Now like I say I will tell it like I see it and not what the manufacturer say about his own product.
"Those faults and errors are mostly engineered out of the system already" No not really If I could tell you the stories I've seen with these friends cars from BMW X5's to CL 55's it would need a new subforum. And majority are not mechanical 90% are electronics and ECU malfunctions. And I'm talking new cars here not some 5th hand abused cars. Car which were taken off the dealers floor and have been with one person throughout and well cared for.

To have these you need to be good friends with the super expensive stealers or a very expensive indy.

Maybe they function well in european climate but not really very well in the desert heat here. And please don't tell me about R&D and the climate testing the major manufacturers do. I've myself have been personally involved in these tests from porsche to nissan here. A couple of days of bashing a new car really cant replicate long term enviroment and temperature usage. Even the F 117 stealth bomber failed here !

As for economy in milage terms of these big engined cars all new cars basically boast similar figures, weather it be the germans, americans or japanese. So that does not even count and plus if you can afford a 80k US $ car I think that will be least of your worries.

desertdudeshj wrote:

RobbyG wrote: I rather pay something more for a car that drives 15 years without too many recurring maintenance issues

In a hurry now so will try to keep it short.

All I can say regarding this is what I see in real life and not paper. There are a hell lot of Older BMW's and Merc's ( Anywhere from late 80's to late 90's ) on the road here and then the Newer models a few years old. And a real lack of 2000ish models. Specially BMW's. Now the real test is will we still well running 2009's and 10's 10 to 15 yrs from now. I seriously doubt it !

Now like I say I will tell it like I see it and not what the manufacturer say about his own product.
"Those faults and errors are mostly engineered out of the system already" No not really If I could tell you the stories I've seen with these friends cars from BMW X5's to CL 55's it would need a new subforum. And majority are not mechanical 90% are electronics and ECU malfunctions. And I'm talking new cars here not some 5th hand abused cars. Car which were taken off the dealers floor and have been with one person throughout and well cared for.

To have these you need to be good friends with the super expensive stealers or a very expensive indy.

Maybe they function well in european climate but not really very well in the desert heat here. And please don't tell me about R&D and the climate testing the major manufacturers do. I've myself have been personally involved in these tests from porsche to nissan here. A couple of days of bashing a new car really cant replicate long term enviroment and temperature usage. Even the F 117 stealth bomber failed here !

As for economy in milage terms of these big engined cars all new cars basically boast similar figures, weather it be the germans, americans or japanese. So that does not even count and plus if you can afford a 80k US $ car I think that will be least of your worries.

I can't disagree with common sense and experience. So I'll give you credit for that.

The Desert is way different than Europe and like you said, the electrical part covers the most of errors in cars today, while I was focussing more on the mechanical part when I said, buying a car for 15 years for the xtra money. I also don't like the total dependance of car electronics on the maintenance item. We become to dependable on dealers and pro's that aren't really cheap like you implied.

Having credited you for that, I still believe that mechanically speaking and from an engineering standpoint (also electrical) I find BMW and Mercedes the best around. The real stories of car crap come from France

I get a headache already when thinking about Peugeot and its 'crappy' engineering...
However....electronically very reliable