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In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters but did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome?

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them.


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 25817.html

Johann Hari, but of course. Who else can dream up such crap. Did he observe all this from a tour bus? Seems to be the way he gets his stories.
The only use I would have for the publication Independent is to use it for puppy training or to line the bottom of a bird cage.

Bora Bora wrote:Johann Hari, but of course. Who else can dream up such crap. Did he observe all this from a tour bus? Seems to be the way he gets his stories.
The only use I would have for the publication Independent is to use it for puppy training or to line the bottom of a bird cage.

You obvioulsy know this excellent journalist personally.

Dreamed up crap eh? I believe the even the Gulf News has followed up Mr Hari's revealing article.

Anyway, I'm not surprised you're unaware of The Independent's standing as a quality British newspaper - considering you didn't know that France is a Western country.

Gulf News, right up there with The Independent. That's saying alot. Catch up with the times Del. That debate is well behind us. France=Western Europe.

If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

Del wrote:In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters but did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome?

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them.


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 25817.html

good to know that and it could be a factor as well for what's happening there.

but the main reason pirates have emerged is the desperation of survival. the whole population there has be exterminated to stop piracy if the idiot leaders fighting there with arms cannot see the root reason and find solution for that.

Bora Bora wrote:Gulf News, right up there with The Independent. That's saying alot. Catch up with the times Del. That debate is well behind us. France=Western Europe.

France is a Western country.

Bora Bora wrote:Johann Hari, but of course. Who else can dream up such crap. Did he observe all this from a tour bus? Seems to be the way he gets his stories.
The only use I would have for the publication Independent is to use it for puppy training or to line the bottom of a bird cage.

Yes it seems the man has totally left the planet, mentally. and the newspaper is of course tripe as you rightly say.

With a name like his it's a great shame he can still so closely manage to identify his poisonous scribblings with the UK.

From his own website:
"Since he began work as a journalist, Johann has been attacked in print by the National Review, the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, John Pilger, Daniel Craig, Peter Oborne, Private Eye, the Socialist Worker, Cristina Odone, Jon Gaunt, the Spectator, Andrew Neil, Mark Steyn, the British National Party, Medialens, al Muhajaroun and Richard Littlejohn. 'Prince' Turki Al-Faisal, the Saudi Ambassador to Britain, has accused Johann of "waging a private jihad against the House of Saud". (He's right). Johann has been called 'Maoist' by Nick Cohen, "Stalinist" by Noam Chomsky, 'Horrible Hari' by Niall Ferguson, "an uppity little queer" by Bruce Anderson, 'a drug addict' by George Galloway, "fat" by the Dalai Lama and "a c*nt" by Busted."
http://www.johannhari.com/about.php

You see? It's all about profile. he doesn't care what he writes as long as it's as emotionally super-charged as possible and he gets talked about. That's his credo. Unfortunately people love to read good horror stories and prefer actually to believe them to be the truth 'in toto'. It's the weak side of human nature. We have a few of those sheep right here.

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

Speedhump wrote:Yes it seems the man has totally left the planet, mentally. and the newspaper is of course tripe as you rightly say.

With a name like his it's a great shame he can still so closely manage to identify his poisonous scribblings with the UK.

From his own website:
"Since he began work as a journalist, Johann has been attacked in print by the National Review, the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, John Pilger, Daniel Craig, Peter Oborne, Private Eye, the Socialist Worker, Cristina Odone, Jon Gaunt, the Spectator, Andrew Neil, Mark Steyn, the British National Party, Medialens, al Muhajaroun and Richard Littlejohn. 'Prince' Turki Al-Faisal, the Saudi Ambassador to Britain, has accused Johann of "waging a private jihad against the House of Saud". (He's right). Johann has been called 'Maoist' by Nick Cohen, "Stalinist" by Noam Chomsky, 'Horrible Hari' by Niall Ferguson, "an uppity little queer" by Bruce Anderson, 'a drug addict' by George Galloway, "fat" by the Dalai Lama and "a c*nt" by Busted."
http://www.johannhari.com/about.php

You see? It's all about profile. he doesn't care what he writes as long as it's as emotionally super-charged as possible and he gets talked about. That's his credo. Unfortunately people love to read good horror stories and prefer actually to believe them to be the truth 'in toto'. It's the weak side of human nature. We have a few of those sheep right here.

It's called shooting the messenger.

Or are you implying that European ships aren't dumping toxic waste off the east coast of Africa? I remember this being an issue years before pirates arrived on the scene.

"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

And their word is good? They are still holding over 200 people for ramson. The revenge story was not exclusive to Sky News. Change the change once in a while, other than to your cartoon station.

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

You can't blame them for threatening to show no mercy to US civilians (merchant mariners) they capture? You reached a new peak today.

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

wasn't my question.

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Speedhump wrote:"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

I doubt if you bothered to read the article, but the amount of dumpers has increased over the years.

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

I doubt if you bothered to read the article, but the amount of dumpers has increased over the years.

OK what point are you making here? I just said that Somalis took money for allowing waste to be dumped and started a precedent. Reply?

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

I doubt if you bothered to read the article, but the amount of dumpers has increased over the years.

OK what point are you making here? I just said that Somalis took money for allowing waste to be dumped and started a precedent. Reply?

My point is obvious.
The dumping has reached such levels that locals (NOT 'government' officials lining their pockets) decided to take action.

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Talk about not knowing your geography!!! You are so stupid.

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Talk about not knowing your geography!!! You are so stupid.

You wearing a grass skirt?

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

I doubt if you bothered to read the article, but the amount of dumpers has increased over the years.

OK what point are you making here? I just said that Somalis took money for allowing waste to be dumped and started a precedent. Reply?

My point is obvious.
The dumping has reached such levels that locals (NOT 'government' officials lining their pockets) decided to take action.

What a disingenuous reply. You are ignoring the obvious point that the action should have been taken lagainst the corrupt nationals (EX government actually). This situation is in fact repeated throughout Africa.
Now it's so easy for the to blame 'foreigners' for their situation, which they just love to do.

Edit: spelling

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Talk about not knowing your geography!!! You are so stupid.

You wearing a grass skirt?

Actually I am having it made as I plan on wearing to the Rihanna concert.

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:"Toxic waste was first dumped in Somalia in the late 1980s, but accelerated sharply during the civil war which followed the 1991 overthrow of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre.

Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms."

Who's to blame then? Somali's prostituting their own country.

I doubt if you bothered to read the article, but the amount of dumpers has increased over the years.

OK what point are you making here? I just said that Somalis took money for allowing waste to be dumped and started a precedent. Reply?

My point is obvious.
The dumping has reached such levels that locals (NOT 'government' officials lining their pockets) decided to take action.

What a disingenous reply. You are ignoring the obvious point that the action should have been taken against the corrupt nationals (EX government actually). This situation is in fact repeated throughout Africa.
Now it's so easy for the to blame 'foreigners' for their situation, which they just love to do.

OK take your pick.

a) The article is nothing but lies designed blame 'foreigners' for their situation, which they just love to do.
b) The article is true but the dumping of toxic waste is ALL the fault of the Somalians

Hello everyone. There is more than one side to the news. The media does have far to much control I think. It brain wash's people into their way of thinking what is right or wrong. Of course we never get to see both sides reported accurately. Well, seldom anyway.

Eat moose. 10,000 wolves cann't be wrong! (Canada bumper sticker)

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Talk about not knowing your geography!!! You are so stupid.

You wearing a grass skirt?

Actually I am having it made as I plan on wearing to the Rihanna concert.

[He's going to the Rihanna concert. ]

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Bora Bora wrote:

Del wrote:

Speedhump wrote:

Del wrote:

Chocoholic wrote:If this is true, then it's terrible and I can't really blame them.

What struck me was, two days ago, Sky News stated that the pirates had sworn revenge on America for killing three of their colleagues.
What Sky failed to mention was, the pirates has already agreed to hand over the hostages, but were still shot.
(This isn't in that article.)

I read that today in 7 Days. Do you actually have any credible sources for that?

I haven't read 7Days.

Can't get past reading The Independent.

Borer Borer.
You couldn't have chosen a more relevant user name, and you can't even spell it.

Talk about not knowing your geography!!! You are so stupid.

You wearing a grass skirt?

Actually I am having it made as I plan on wearing to the Rihanna concert.

[He's going to the Rihanna concert. ]

You don't know sarcasm when it smacks you in the face.
You don't accept facts presented by others.
You don't do any research before you open your mouth.
You don't actually do much of anything do you?

That is really shocking news. What is Europe's problem??? they treat the rest of the world as their own personal waste land...