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its amazing to read all the comments from the self styled South Asia political analysts..

Guys... get real..

There is a problem in Pakistan..accept it.. no point in pointing finger at everyone.. i just don't understand how long do pakistanis want to live in denial.. this denial mode is self destructive..

the earlier they realize this and force their govt / army to change their policies towards providing safe haven to the terrorists, its better for them..
just see what is the image of pakistan in the world today..this is only 'coz of their past policies finally culminating in to a uncontrolable monster..

n their govt. goes on making deals with the monster asuming its a benign one...

xdude wrote:its amazing to read all the comments from the self styled South Asia political analysts..

Guys... get real..

There is a problem in Pakistan..accept it.. no point in pointing finger at everyone.. i just don't understand how long do pakistanis want to live in denial.. this denial mode is self destructive..

the earlier they realize this and force their govt / army to change their policies towards providing safe haven to the terrorists, its better for them..
just see what is the image of pakistan in the world today..this is only 'coz of their past policies finally culminating in to a uncontrolable monster..

n their govt. goes on making deals with the monster asuming its a benign one...

Dude, you are the one that needs to get real. Its not about self denial.

Sure, i agree that there is a problem i Pakistan, but its not like we have nothing better do in life than make other peoples miserable. If this could've be stopped, it would have been by now.

And why is that? Because of "World Politics" i.e. put Pakistan down (along with many other muslim nations) so that they are not able to progress in life.

Why Pakistan in particular? Because Pakistan is the only muslim country with a nuclear bomb which is seen as a threat although other countries have it themselves and hence just makes "them" to cause unrest in the country. I do however admit that this is being helped by a few corrupt politicians in the country.

I went to Pakistan last year, as i always do every year and people are living life like normal, not like the crap they show you on TV about "suicide" bombs all the time.

Pakistan is a target of world conspiracy. And again, i admit that there is a problem in Pakistan which needs fixing, but sadly its out of our reach.

P.S there are so many points to make but im just too lazy to type it all out and have put it in a compressed form

redtilldead wrote:a few corrupt politicians in the country.

Buhahahahahahah...... Care to show me some decent non corrupt ones. I don't think you'll find in the world specially in south east asian and african countries.

Yes on a side note life does go. Its not 24/7 bombings and killings like the dude said.

I had a friend from Srilanka during the times when the violence on the Island was at its peak during the fighting of the LTTE and the Govt. And when ever he would go for vacations I would ask him " Arn't you scared ? " he said no. The fighting is in certain parts of the country, but the majority goes on about its usual bussiness. The media led us to believe that the whole country was ablaze.

Same with the Pakistan issue, although it is really pathetic how the Northern Areas like the Swat valley are now in control of the taliban. And it even more dumb @ss the govt can't take back parts of its own country.

My solution, Let the pathans and afghans( the ones living in pakistan now) have their own breakaway republic. It will only take a few years before they wipe themselves out ! History shows these people cannot live in peace, when there is no "external enemy" they sit still for a little time and then their trigger fingers start geting itchy again and they turn on each other. Its not uncommon for entire clans to have dissapeared in fueds over stupid things like goats ! These guys really know how to hold a grudge.

desertdude do you know about the histroy of Pakistan?

every country is facing terroism. england, usa, spain, turkey, iraq, ksa, pakistan and even INDIA.

problems in pakistan are exagerrated because it is the only muslim country which has nuclear bomb. thus the western media is somewhat concerned about nuclear bomb falling into wrong hands. so how does USA and its men in tight leggings get hold of this bomb?

well they cant simply go attacking Pakistan why? Pakistan has a strong army they will defend and am sure the Talibans and Al Qaeda will join the Pakis to fight off any attack.

so they decided to create monster called "terroism" which is just an excuse to attack some other country. Pakistan is in a mess yes it is because of the politics and becuase of rapid interfereance by USA and India.

plz read about Pakistan History before commenting.

rudeboy wrote:plz read about Pakistan History before commenting.

I coudn't give a flying fart about its history. And there is no history before 1947, there was no Pakistan. 50 years is not history. I've seen cars older than that in better shape

desertdudeshj wrote:

rudeboy wrote:plz read about Pakistan History before commenting.

I coudn't give a flying fart about its history. And there is no history before 1947, there was no Pakistan. 50 years is not history. I've seen cars older than that in better shape

marvellous expression.

desertdudeshj wrote:

rudeboy wrote:plz read about Pakistan History before commenting.

I coudn't give a flying fart about its history. And there is no history before 1947, there was no Pakistan. 50 years is not history. I've seen cars older than that in better shape

Yep you are right before 1947 there was no Pakistan meaning it didnt have ANYTHING. example no army no navy and no air force. education system was a shamble and no industry whats so ever. you really didnt expect the indians to hand them something on a frying pan instead they gave them the shitty part in the West and even a SHITTER part in the EAST where it usually rains alot and floods alot (bangladesh fyi).

so in 50 years they have come from a long way. mind you they are not perfect but then again who is? do remember it is a developing country, so it will take years before it is something like UK.

cheerio then.

If that was the case that it would be OK but thats not the case. Pakistan is going backwards instead of forwards. The ecomony has gone to shambles in my life time. In my life time the Pak Rupee from almost a little less than a dirham has gone to 1dh= a billion rupees. Inflation, crime, unemployment on a ever rising curve and all within my living memory.

My parents travelled most of Europe in the early to mid 80's. Pakistanis were given visa on arrival in countries like UK, and just needed to fill out a form for visas for USA, japan etc etc. Now try travelling with a Paki passport. There are I think 10 unkown island nations which give Pakistani nationals visa on arrival.

Screw that I refused to go to the phillipines via hong kong last year because even while transiting through the hong kong airport I needed a visa and an immigration offcial would " escort " me during my 4 hour transit through the airport.

Right about now no one wants to touch a Pakistani with a 10 foot pole, one must ask why is it so ? and blaming the media and India is not an answer.

As for the Nuclear argument that the west is after Pakistan because it is Nuclear armed, which my be true to some extent, but honestly speaking I myself am scared of the dumb @ss tribal pathans in charge of the north west of pakistan rightnow getting hold of it. If this ever happens they just might be responsible for wiping out the entire human race of the face of the planet.

In all due respect I would be a "Proud" Pakistani If there was something to be proud of.

desertdudeshj wrote:Pakistan is going backwards instead of forwards. The ecomony has gone to shambles in my life time. In my life time the Pak Rupee from almost a little less than a dirham has gone to 1dh= a billion rupees. Inflation, crime, unemployment on a ever rising curve and all within my living memory.

Exactly....

but you think this is what Pakistan wants to do? go backwards? obviously not and as i stated in my post earlier, that this all is a conspiracy against Pakistan to stop from progressing! keep them busy with "terrorism" while the world moves forward.

I am still a proud Pakistani though it is in a massive crisis. Why? because if we dont back our own country up, then who will?

desertdudeshj wrote:If that was the case that it would be OK but thats not the case. Pakistan is going backwards instead of forwards. The ecomony has gone to shambles in my life time. In my life time the Pak Rupee from almost a little less than a dirham has gone to 1dh= a billion rupees. Inflation, crime, unemployment on a ever rising curve and all within my living memory.

My parents travelled most of Europe in the early to mid 80's. Pakistanis were given visa on arrival in countries like UK, and just needed to fill out a form for visas for USA, japan etc etc. Now try travelling with a Paki passport. There are I think 10 unkown island nations which give Pakistani nationals visa on arrival.

Screw that I refused to go to the phillipines via hong kong last year because even while transiting through the hong kong airport I needed a visa and an immigration offcial would " escort " me during my 4 hour transit through the airport.

Right about now no one wants to touch a Pakistani with a 10 foot pole, one must ask why is it so ? and blaming the media and India is not an answer.

As for the Nuclear argument that the west is after Pakistan because it is Nuclear armed, which my be true to some extent, but honestly speaking I myself am scared of the dumb @ss tribal pathans in charge of the north west of pakistan rightnow getting hold of it. If this ever happens they just might be responsible for wiping out the entire human race of the face of the planet.

In all due respect I would be a "Proud" Pakistani If there was something to be proud of.

bro Pakistan started from NOTHING. Imagine this. You are Gandhi and you had to give the muslims their own country, would you:

a) give them where india is now?
b) give them their own country next to afghanistan?

if you give them a) it would be better then b) because a) has better infrastructure then b). meaning you would have elecrticity, water, an army etc.

But the fact is that they were given the SHITTEST part ever. and now the best thing they do have is taken away from them i.e Kashmir which the indians see as a HOT tourist spot. Also all your main rivers are in Kashmir, so the water is coming from there but guess what Indians have already set up dams in Kashmir which have dried up rivers in Pakistan.

Read the histroy and you will be suprised how it has been used by USA especially during the Soviet Cold War Era and during the Afghanistan war. Yeh during those crisis Pakistan politicians benefitted not Pakistan.

After 9/11 again Pakistan Politicians benefited but Musharif (however bad he is) did make sure that dollars were spent on education. The fact now is your Zardari and his cronies around him are eating the dollars and not spending it at all on Pakistan.

Honestly speaking I think you should be proud of who you are because conditions are rubbish there and the population is 100 Million. Yet I am amazed how ppl survive everyday. surviving from cold, hunger, thirst, no jobs, corrupt politicians, bent law system and terroism.

The pathans are making noise because they want change. They know what the USA is up to. Apart from the fact that Pakistan has nuclear bomb, it is also siting on. a source from other forum
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-de ... istan.html

and http://www.iags.org/n0115042.htm for the natural gas deal.

and also the fact is that they are sitting on Uranium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi ... n_Pakistan Uranium falls another Radioactive minerals.

Not sure how good is your chemistry but Uranium is the source to Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Power.

And not many ppl know this but http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ab ... an/238308/

All these are in the Pathans area. they want their own state because they know how corrupt the guy sitting in Islamabad is. so either they get their own state or they change the system in Islamabad.

I would rather say they change the system and get rid of the top guy.

Taliban is a "monster" created by Western Media.

Who apparantely rape women etc etc. Just like 9/11 was fake so is everything they say about taliban.

Anybody find anytin wrong with the fact that a 19yr old is the head of pakistan's ruling party?

Pakistan is a failed state. The braindrain is almost complete, only a few are left and they will leave soon.

Start to look for nukes on ebay.

Misery Called Life wrote:Anybody find anytin wrong with the fact that a 19yr old is the head of pakistan's ruling party?

You must be kidding right?

RobbyG wrote:

Misery Called Life wrote:Anybody find anytin wrong with the fact that a 19yr old is the head of pakistan's ruling party?

You must be kidding right?

yeh he is the head but i dont think he is running the show is. his dad is they are just using his name i.e Bhutto to decieve the ppl.

rudeboy wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:If that was the case that it would be OK but thats not the case. Pakistan is going backwards instead of forwards. The ecomony has gone to shambles in my life time. In my life time the Pak Rupee from almost a little less than a dirham has gone to 1dh= a billion rupees. Inflation, crime, unemployment on a ever rising curve and all within my living memory.

My parents travelled most of Europe in the early to mid 80's. Pakistanis were given visa on arrival in countries like UK, and just needed to fill out a form for visas for USA, japan etc etc. Now try travelling with a Paki passport. There are I think 10 unkown island nations which give Pakistani nationals visa on arrival.

Screw that I refused to go to the phillipines via hong kong last year because even while transiting through the hong kong airport I needed a visa and an immigration offcial would " escort " me during my 4 hour transit through the airport.

Right about now no one wants to touch a Pakistani with a 10 foot pole, one must ask why is it so ? and blaming the media and India is not an answer.

As for the Nuclear argument that the west is after Pakistan because it is Nuclear armed, which my be true to some extent, but honestly speaking I myself am scared of the dumb @ss tribal pathans in charge of the north west of pakistan rightnow getting hold of it. If this ever happens they just might be responsible for wiping out the entire human race of the face of the planet.

In all due respect I would be a "Proud" Pakistani If there was something to be proud of.

bro Pakistan started from NOTHING. Imagine this. You are Gandhi and you had to give the muslims their own country, would you:

a) give them where india is now?
b) give them their own country next to afghanistan?

if you give them a) it would be better then b) because a) has better infrastructure then b). meaning you would have elecrticity, water, an army etc.

But the fact is that they were given the SHITTEST part ever. and now the best thing they do have is taken away from them i.e Kashmir which the indians see as a HOT tourist spot. Also all your main rivers are in Kashmir, so the water is coming from there but guess what Indians have already set up dams in Kashmir which have dried up rivers in Pakistan.

Read the histroy and you will be suprised how it has been used by USA especially during the Soviet Cold War Era and during the Afghanistan war. Yeh during those crisis Pakistan politicians benefitted not Pakistan.

After 9/11 again Pakistan Politicians benefited but Musharif (however bad he is) did make sure that dollars were spent on education. The fact now is your Zardari and his cronies around him are eating the dollars and not spending it at all on Pakistan.

Honestly speaking I think you should be proud of who you are because conditions are rubbish there and the population is 100 Million. Yet I am amazed how ppl survive everyday. surviving from cold, hunger, thirst, no jobs, corrupt politicians, bent law system and terroism.

The pathans are making noise because they want change. They know what the USA is up to. Apart from the fact that Pakistan has nuclear bomb, it is also siting on. a source from other forum
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-de ... istan.html

and http://www.iags.org/n0115042.htm for the natural gas deal.

and also the fact is that they are sitting on Uranium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi ... n_Pakistan Uranium falls another Radioactive minerals.

Not sure how good is your chemistry but Uranium is the source to Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Power.

And not many ppl know this but http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ab ... an/238308/

All these are in the Pathans area. they want their own state because they know how corrupt the guy sitting in Islamabad is. so either they get their own state or they change the system in Islamabad.

I would rather say they change the system and get rid of the top guy.

Taliban is a "monster" created by Western Media.

Who apparantely rape women etc etc. Just like 9/11 was fake so is everything they say about taliban.

Brilliant post.

Unfortunately, its only going to get worse

redtilldead wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

desertdudeshj wrote:If that was the case that it would be OK but thats not the case. Pakistan is going backwards instead of forwards. The ecomony has gone to shambles in my life time. In my life time the Pak Rupee from almost a little less than a dirham has gone to 1dh= a billion rupees. Inflation, crime, unemployment on a ever rising curve and all within my living memory.

My parents travelled most of Europe in the early to mid 80's. Pakistanis were given visa on arrival in countries like UK, and just needed to fill out a form for visas for USA, japan etc etc. Now try travelling with a Paki passport. There are I think 10 unkown island nations which give Pakistani nationals visa on arrival.

Screw that I refused to go to the phillipines via hong kong last year because even while transiting through the hong kong airport I needed a visa and an immigration offcial would " escort " me during my 4 hour transit through the airport.

Right about now no one wants to touch a Pakistani with a 10 foot pole, one must ask why is it so ? and blaming the media and India is not an answer.

As for the Nuclear argument that the west is after Pakistan because it is Nuclear armed, which my be true to some extent, but honestly speaking I myself am scared of the dumb @ss tribal pathans in charge of the north west of pakistan rightnow getting hold of it. If this ever happens they just might be responsible for wiping out the entire human race of the face of the planet.

In all due respect I would be a "Proud" Pakistani If there was something to be proud of.

bro Pakistan started from NOTHING. Imagine this. You are Gandhi and you had to give the muslims their own country, would you:

a) give them where india is now?
b) give them their own country next to afghanistan?

if you give them a) it would be better then b) because a) has better infrastructure then b). meaning you would have elecrticity, water, an army etc.

But the fact is that they were given the SHITTEST part ever. and now the best thing they do have is taken away from them i.e Kashmir which the indians see as a HOT tourist spot. Also all your main rivers are in Kashmir, so the water is coming from there but guess what Indians have already set up dams in Kashmir which have dried up rivers in Pakistan.

Read the histroy and you will be suprised how it has been used by USA especially during the Soviet Cold War Era and during the Afghanistan war. Yeh during those crisis Pakistan politicians benefitted not Pakistan.

After 9/11 again Pakistan Politicians benefited but Musharif (however bad he is) did make sure that dollars were spent on education. The fact now is your Zardari and his cronies around him are eating the dollars and not spending it at all on Pakistan.

Honestly speaking I think you should be proud of who you are because conditions are rubbish there and the population is 100 Million. Yet I am amazed how ppl survive everyday. surviving from cold, hunger, thirst, no jobs, corrupt politicians, bent law system and terroism.

The pathans are making noise because they want change. They know what the USA is up to. Apart from the fact that Pakistan has nuclear bomb, it is also siting on. a source from other forum
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-de ... istan.html

and http://www.iags.org/n0115042.htm for the natural gas deal.

and also the fact is that they are sitting on Uranium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mi ... n_Pakistan Uranium falls another Radioactive minerals.

Not sure how good is your chemistry but Uranium is the source to Nuclear Weapons and Nuclear Power.

And not many ppl know this but http://www.financialexpress.com/news/ab ... an/238308/

All these are in the Pathans area. they want their own state because they know how corrupt the guy sitting in Islamabad is. so either they get their own state or they change the system in Islamabad.

I would rather say they change the system and get rid of the top guy.

Taliban is a "monster" created by Western Media.

Who apparantely rape women etc etc. Just like 9/11 was fake so is everything they say about taliban.

Brilliant post.

Unfortunately, its only going to get worse

i agree unless the ppl of Pakistan say ok thats enough and they start a revolution or something.

Pakistan needs a change and some guy who isnt dependant on USA. Something like what Iran has.

redtilldead wrote:that this all is a conspiracy against Pakistan to stop from progressing! keep them busy with "terrorism" while the world moves forward.

Oh yes ofcourse the around the 200 nations on this planet all are in on this...They have nothing better to do but to make sure that pakistan does not develop because if it does the planet will implode.

Brother please ! This is typical for lack of a better word Pakistani behaviour. Blame everything and everyone, except your own self.

Yes ofcourse there are foreign invlovement and blah blah and etc etc, but .........

desertdudeshj wrote:

redtilldead wrote:that this all is a conspiracy against Pakistan to stop from progressing! keep them busy with "terrorism" while the world moves forward.

Oh yes ofcourse the around the 200 nations on this planet all are in on this...They have nothing better to do but to make sure that pakistan does not develop because if it does the planet will implode.

Brother please ! This is typical for lack of a better word Pakistani behaviour. Blame everything and everyone, except your own self.

Yes ofcourse there are foreign invlovement and blah blah and etc etc, but .........

Pakistanis blame indians and americans of interferring but they also blame their leaders for what is happening. They also blame the strange justice system they have in the country and they certainly blame the lack of education in Pakistan.

Like I said have a look at the country and you will be astoshined from nothing they are something.

I am still amazed how it is surviving and will be amazed whether it is there in the next 10 years with india and usa instantly interferring in the countries affair.

When I say interferring I mean interferring in the form of terroism.

No wonder it is the MOST dangerous REGION on earth. So dangerous it can start a WW3 with Americans supporting the Indians and the russians supporting the Pakis and lets not forget the taliban and other groups that do exist. (not including al qaeda because there are concerns whether they exist or not ).

Blaming someone is really easy but admitting its your fault is very hard.