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Atheists Are Toppers in Corruption


[Shri Ramanath told Swami that some [people] do corruption at the top most level even in foreign countries. He felt that corruption need not be rubbed only on Indians.]


Swami replied: Suppose you are drinking one bottle of wine every day. I show a person who does not take even one drop of wine and then advise you not to drink. Then you will have some inspiration seeing that person and try to stop drinking. Your trial shall be in controlling your habbit of drinking and not to make a search of that person to see whether he drinks or not. If you have found him drinking ten bottles of wine every day, then you will be pacified and continue to drink. You may even raise the number of bottles to two or three by comparing his ten bottles. If he is drinking ten bottles, his health will be ten times more spoiled than yours.

Your health may be spoiled 1/10th of his health but your health is in the negative sign [decaying] only. You cannot take your illness in positive sign with respect to his more serious illness in view of theory of relativity. If you receive hundred beatings in the hell, he will receive thousand beatings for the corresponding level of corruption. Your beatings cannot be treated as a relative heaven with respect to his beatings. Such toppers of corruption are atheists, who do not believe in God and hell. Our spiritual knowledge does not touch them. Such people are present in all countries and in all religions. They are debarred students, who are out of our limits of spiritual knowledge. Within the limits of the religious faiths, I have compared Hinduism with other religions.

‘The only one human birth, the only one final enquiry at the end of this birth and the permanent hell for the sins’, in other religions will certainly affect the psychology of the human beings. ‘The human rebirths and temporary visit to hell’, certainly dilute the psychology of any human being. Therefore, I correlated both the contradicting concepts because the same God cannot give contradicting concepts in different religions. I favored the other religions as far as the general rule is concerned and favored Hinduism in the exceptional power of God to be used for a few deserving devotees. Therefore, the human beings should be concerned with the general rule only and should not depend on the special power of God to be used for a very few devotees only.

erm people dont usualy drink bottles of wine! well not normally, just a glass or something, also it can have some positive affects , but yer its just the propaganda lol.. they would never say theres anything good about it, and erm atheists are just generally rule breakers thats what they do they stand out of line , they wana look for something else, they think life is more important then heavon, they wana be payed now rather then do work now and get payed later lol. ah well my explination is confusin..

Hahahah, what a load of rubbish.

Atheists don't think life is more important than heaven ashjgb, they don't think there is a heaven at all. An Atheist believes there is no God, not heaven, no hell, no angles etc.

As for the original poster, I don't understand how these spiritual folks can be so understanding of the various religions, that person makes it sound like they can pick and choose aspects of different religions to put into their own 'spirituality'. ha!

If you can do that you must either not believe in any of it (fine for you) or think you are better than God, who has shown you the way (which ever god that is) and you choose to disregard his/her/its pure teaching and mix up something of your own.


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Actually, just followed the link. It's got to be a joke. hahah!

Captain Australia wrote:Hahahah, what a load of rubbish.
....s/her/its pure teaching and mix up something of your own.


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Actually, just followed the link. It's got to be a joke. hahah!

The logic of atheists is based on perception (Pratyaksha Pramana), which was propagated by the sage Charvaka. Perception means the knowledge derived from the observation with the naked eyes. Infact in the logic (Tarka Sastra) all the means of knowledge are based on perception only. In the inference (Anumana) also, the fire on the hill is inferred by its smoke. But the relationship between the fire and smoke is perceived with the naked eyes only. Similarly other means of knowledge are also based on the perception only. Thus Charvaka forms the basic of the entire logic and without logic there is no knowledge. The statement that the God is above logic must be proved only by perception. The divine miracles performed by the human form of Lord prove that there is a power above the logic. These miracles are seen by the naked eyes.

The atheists must be allowed to prove whether the miracles are simply magic tricks. When they cannot prove, they must accept the existence of super power above the logic. If they do not accept this they are contradicting their own basis, which is the perception. The divine miracles are experienced by the devotees and the experience cannot be contradicted. If the experience is contradicted, the experience of the atheists is also contradicted. Therefore atheists must be open-minded and should not be conservative. If they are conservative they have no right to criticize the religious conservatism.

The theory of Vedas and Bhagavath Gita never contradicts the perception and therefore the logic of atheists becomes the basis of the spiritual knowledge. The Lord comes in human form and this human form is perceived by the naked eyes. Even the miracles performed by demons establish the existence of super power. Therefore to convince the atheists the miracles of the Lord are not necessary.

When they are convinced about the existence of the Super power (Maya), the possessor of the Super Power, the Lord, coming in human form must be also accepted because the form is seen by the naked eyes. The salvation is breakage of the bonds in this world. Since the bonds of this world exist based on the perception, the salvation is also existing based on the perception. Since the family members and the money are perceived by the eyes, the bonds with them are also perceived. Thus the salvation (Moksha) must be accepted by the atheists. A single bond with the human form of the Lord is called ‘Saayujya’ or ‘Kaivalya’.

Since the human form is perceived, Sayujya or Kaivalya is also perceived and must be accepted by the atheists. The Bliss is derived by the devotee from the divine knowledge of the human form of the Lord. Therefore the Bliss is also true according to atheists.

Thus the goal, the means to please the Lord (Sadhana) and the fruit of Sadhana (Moksha and Kaivalya) are perceived and exist in this world itself. Veda says ‘Yat Saakshat Aparokshaat’, ‘Pratyagatmana Maikshat’ which mean that the Lord in human form is perceived by the naked eyes. Veda also says ‘Ihachet Avedeet’, which means that everything is true as seen in this world itself. This is called ‘Jeevanmukthi’, which means attaining the salvation while one is alive and not after death. The salvation after the death is not true because that has no basis of perception. Thus if the atheists are little bit patient and leave their aggressive nature of criticism, they are best fitted in the true spiritual knowledge of Vedas. In fact Swami Vidyaranya included the philosophy of Charvaka in his book as one of the logical philosophies (Darsanaas).

Captain Australia wrote:Hahahah, what a load of rubbish.

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Atheists and Unimaginable God

For theist scholars the unimaginable events in the life indicate the unimaginable God. For devotees the miracles performed by the human incarnations indicate the unimaginable God. For ignorant theists, the devilish people who perform black magic indicate the unimaginable God. For scientists the unimaginable concepts in the deeper planes of nature indicate the unimaginable God. God created the nature, which is partly and superficially imaginable. In the absence of imaginable nature, the very contrast concept of unimaginable nature disappears. If there is no darkness, light will loose its sense. Atheists interpret all the above unimaginable items in other way.

The unimaginable events in the life are interpreted as incidents of probable coincidence. The miracles and black magic are interpreted as the usual magic based on the illusion of eyes. The unimaginable concepts in the deeper nature are said to have the future explanations because the unimaginable concepts of yesterday are explained today. Therefore, God established one unimaginable item, which is witnessed by every human being at any time. That is the unimaginable infinite boundary of the universe. Scientists accept that the universe is infinite forever. This indicates the unimaginable God, who is beyond the limits of the universe since He is the cause of the universe. This point is focused in the cosmic vision given by the Lord to Arjuna (Nantostimama…. Gita).