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Stylinexpat · Feb 01, 2009

http://www.etisalat.ae/index.jsp?lang=e ... 05000a____

http://www.promotion.hinet.net/adsl_hot_03.htm#4

In Taiwan for 8M/640K you are looking at roughly 104 Dhms. per month while in the UAE Etisalat offers 4M download speeds for 449 Dhms. which is more than 4 times the amount for half the speed. 2M download in Taiwan is available for roughly 86 Dhms while in the UAE it is 349 Dhms.

I am wondering how Dubai will compete with Asia for trade when the government has a monopoly on its telecom sector and charges 4 times more for its ADSL services than those in Asia.

The monopoly either has to go or they need to drop their prices to where they don't gouge their customers. Gouging in Islam is considered harahm or not halal. A profit is reasonable but 4 times the amount of what others are charging is considered gouging. Employees that work for Etisalat in the UAE do not receive the same salaries that emplyees do in Europe or the US so there is no reason for gouging on monthly service plans.

Discuss or share your thoughts...

Nucleus · Feb 01, 2009

I agree with u

RobbyG · Feb 01, 2009

Those connections you mentioned aren't that quick compared to Europe.

Here in Holland I (or we) have fierce competition for ADSL broadband internet and the upcoming glasfiber network is starting to gain ground.

For cable ADSL I pay approx 20 euro's (95 Dhs) for a 20Mbit down/1Mbit up connection a month. Depending on the range to the provider service center, you have a download speed of max. 1024 kb/sec.

Mighty fast for a few pennies a month. :cyclopsani:

If Dubai wants to be on top of the world, they should need the newer standards of optic cables that emerge now. I wonder what they use now...ISDN based ADSL?

sage & onion · Feb 02, 2009

RobbyG wrote:Those connections you mentioned aren't that quick compared to Europe.

Here in Holland I (or we) have fierce competition for ADSL broadband internet and the upcoming glasfiber network is starting to gain ground.

For cable ADSL I pay approx 20 euro's (95 Dhs) for a 20Mbit down/1Mbit up connection a month. Depending on the range to the provider service center, you have a download speed of max. 1024 kb/sec.

Mighty fast for a few pennies a month.

If Dubai wants to be on top of the world, they should need the newer standards of optic cables that emerge now. I wonder what they use now...ISDN based ADSL?

Now you are talking, these speeds are just not available here.

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

RobbyG wrote:Those connections you mentioned aren't that quick compared to Europe.

Here in Holland I (or we) have fierce competition for ADSL broadband internet and the upcoming glasfiber network is starting to gain ground.

For cable ADSL I pay approx 20 euro's (95 Dhs) for a 20Mbit down/1Mbit up connection a month. Depending on the range to the provider service center, you have a download speed of max. 1024 kb/sec.

Mighty fast for a few pennies a month.

If Dubai wants to be on top of the world, they should need the newer standards of optic cables that emerge now. I wonder what they use now...ISDN based ADSL?

They also have quicker connections here in Taiwan. The link I provided showed what was curently being discounted because there were other faster speeds available which most people used. They also have the new Fiber optic line here in Taiwan :wink:

I used that comparisson as a basic comparisson to show just how expensive Dubai's rates were with their current monopoly on their telecom sector. I have a 12M/2M upload speeds at my shop and believe their speeds here also go up to 20M for downloads.

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

Here is an example of what DTAC charges for unlimited useage in Thailand for their Mobile data packages:

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

999 Baht for unlimited use is roughly 105 Dhms where as Etisalat Charges a whopping 460 Dhms. per month. :shock:

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

http://www.etisalat.ae/index.jsp?lang=e ... ge&order=2

Here in Taiwan they charge 699 NT for a monthly unlimited plan which comes out to about 87 Dhms. per month. The plan in Thailand is for Edge GPRS service as they don't yet have 3.5G service but will in the near future and the plan in Taiwan is the same as it is in Dubai for the 3.5G services. Again here Etisalat gouges customers over 4 times of what other providers charge their customers overseas.

pete t · Feb 02, 2009

The UAE is Far cheaper and Better value then Australia

in OZ nearly ALL plans have a 40 gig caps ( or less ) per month
some you can more after hours, But Over all YOu will go over your limit with ..well normal Internet useage...

But I'm with DU But I LOVE the UAE DSL !!

xero_ · Feb 02, 2009

this monopoly has been ranted and discussed way too much already in the last 10 years. the greedy owner just wont do anything about it. all he cares is the money he is raking in so he can have more holidays and drive nice cars.

sage & onion · Feb 02, 2009

Stylinexpat wrote:Here is an example of what DTAC charges for unlimited useage in Thailand for their Mobile data packages:

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

999 Baht for unlimited use is roughly 105 Dhms where as Etisalat Charges a whopping 460 Dhms. per month.

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

http://www.etisalat.ae/index.jsp?lang=e ... ge&order=2

Here in Taiwan they charge 699 NT for a monthly unlimited plan which comes out to about 87 Dhms. per month. The plan in Thailand is for Edge GPRS service as they don't yet have 3.5G service but will in the near future and the plan in Taiwan is the same as it is in Dubai for the 3.5G services. Again here Etisalat gouges customers over 4 times of what other providers charge their customers overseas.

What else is good in Taiwan?

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

sage & onion wrote:
Stylinexpat wrote:Here is an example of what DTAC charges for unlimited useage in Thailand for their Mobile data packages:

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

999 Baht for unlimited use is roughly 105 Dhms where as Etisalat Charges a whopping 460 Dhms. per month.

http://www.dtac.co.th/eng/package/internet_package.html

http://www.etisalat.ae/index.jsp?lang=e ... ge&order=2

Here in Taiwan they charge 699 NT for a monthly unlimited plan which comes out to about 87 Dhms. per month. The plan in Thailand is for Edge GPRS service as they don't yet have 3.5G service but will in the near future and the plan in Taiwan is the same as it is in Dubai for the 3.5G services. Again here Etisalat gouges customers over 4 times of what other providers charge their customers overseas.

What else is good in Taiwan?

The fruits,vegetables and fish are among the best in the world. The beaches, cleanliness, hygiene and air quality are among the worst in the world here in Taiwan.

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

pete t wrote:The UAE is Far cheaper and Better value then Australia

in OZ nearly ALL plans have a 40 gig caps ( or less ) per month
some you can more after hours, But Over all YOu will go over your limit with ..well normal Internet useage...

But I'm with DU But I LOVE the UAE DSL !!

That is pretty screwed. What are the rates in Australia on a monthly basis for cell data useage and home internet (ADSL) ?

Red Chief · Feb 02, 2009

Landline internet is rather expensive but internet via GPRS (mobile phone) is out of range. I just wonder if somebody use it on regular basis here.

naruto · Feb 02, 2009

That what we call imperfect competetion..where etisalat is the only provider for the internet and communication in UAE ..Du is just to make our market sound like a free market ..and etisalat suxx big time ..

andrewg · Feb 02, 2009

yeah. I don't know where they get these prices.

They don't have a competitor that's why.

People can not do anything at all that's why they can just play the magic game of monopoly... if everything get competitive, a lot of business will be swarming in...

naruto · Feb 02, 2009

^^agree

and the quality of the service is bad ..etisalat charge us more than any internet provider in the world although they use fiber optic for internet connection where in EU and they use satalite which is faster and more efficient

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

I think Etisalat or the UAE government can try and catch up with Korea for a start..

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/02/sout ... s-by-2012/

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

andrewg wrote:yeah. I don't know where they get these prices.

They don't have a competitor that's why.

People can not do anything at all that's why they can just play the magic game of monopoly... if everything get competitive, a lot of business will be swarming in...

What's funny is how Etisalat bids for foreign telecom projects overseas and yet won't allow allow any telecome companies into their own country to compete with them. If I were other countries I would never allow a telecom provider to operate in my country when they themselves don't allow any others to operate in their country. One must be fair, you open your telecom services and we will open ours in return.. One must take and give these days.

In my opinion the Emirates has years to go yet before they catch up to modern nations. The local stock market is another example which offers no futures,no put, no calls, no shorting etc.. Look at how many telecom providers there are in Thailand and how many there are in the UAE.

Expat · Feb 02, 2009

sage & onion wrote:
Stylinexpat wrote:Here is an example of what DTAC charges for unlimited useage in Thailand for their Mobile data packages:

999 Baht for unlimited use is roughly 105 Dhms where as Etisalat Charges a whopping 460 Dhms. per month.

Here in Taiwan they charge 699 NT for a monthly unlimited plan which comes out to about 87 Dhms. per month. The plan in Thailand is for Edge GPRS service as they don't yet have 3.5G service but will in the near future and the plan in Taiwan is the same as it is in Dubai for the 3.5G services. Again here Etisalat gouges customers over 4 times of what other providers charge their customers overseas.

What else is good in Taiwan?

i guess girls

Red Chief · Feb 02, 2009

What else is good in Taiwan?

The tallest building in the World. I doubt that it's good in so seismic region...

uaekid · Feb 02, 2009

Stylinexpat wrote:
andrewg wrote:yeah. I don't know where they get these prices.

They don't have a competitor that's why.

People can not do anything at all that's why they can just play the magic game of monopoly... if everything get competitive, a lot of business will be swarming in...

What's funny is how Etisalat bids for foreign telecom projects overseas and yet won't allow allow any telecome companies into their own country to compete with them. If I were other countries I would never allow a telecom provider to operate in my country when they themselves don't allow any others to operate in their country. One must be fair, you open your telecom services and we will open ours in return.. One must take and give these days.

In my opinion the Emirates has years to go yet before they catch up to modern nations. The local stock market is another example which offers no futures,no put, no calls, no shorting etc.. Look at how many telecom providers there are in Thailand and how many there are in the UAE.

don't be this much narrow minded !! First of all it is not up to Etisalate it self to allow other companies to operate here or not..

it is not about allowing or not, but its about the best quality! I believe Etislate is doing v.well in this field and one of the best tele companies that provide whats new in telecommunication if you rank them world wide and that’s why other countries seek their services . .

it is idiotaic to use the word monopoly since there is another company that operate the same business ,or do I have to define what monopoly is ?.

what is important to me is that Etislate contribute to the country big social funds like shak zaid housing project and the marriage funds..

I don't think there are many companies that compete with Etislate and if there will be , they wont contribute as much as Etislate..

Sorry but your judgment is v.poor to the subject sir.

zzzane · Feb 02, 2009

Agree with all the way through but...

Stylinexpat wrote:Employees that work for Etisalat in the UAE do not receive the same salaries that emplyees do in Europe or the US so there is no reason for gouging on monthly service plans.

I'm sorry but you're grossly misinformed. What makes you say that? Have you ever worked for an ISP or network provider in Europe? Based on my observation, Etisalat and Du employees receive more than their counterparts at most companies in Europe and the U.S.

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

Expat wrote:
sage & onion wrote:
Stylinexpat wrote:Here is an example of what DTAC charges for unlimited useage in Thailand for their Mobile data packages:

999 Baht for unlimited use is roughly 105 Dhms where as Etisalat Charges a whopping 460 Dhms. per month.

Here in Taiwan they charge 699 NT for a monthly unlimited plan which comes out to about 87 Dhms. per month. The plan in Thailand is for Edge GPRS service as they don't yet have 3.5G service but will in the near future and the plan in Taiwan is the same as it is in Dubai for the 3.5G services. Again here Etisalat gouges customers over 4 times of what other providers charge their customers overseas.

What else is good in Taiwan?

That I forgot to mention No shortage of Pus*y here and that too goes for 1/4 of the price of what it goes for in Dubai LOL...
i guess girls

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

Red Chief wrote:
What else is good in Taiwan?

The tallest building in the World. I doubt that it's good in so seismic region...

We don't get too much quake activity here in Taiwan though we have had our shares of a few quakes

I would hate to be any where near that 101 tower were there ever to be a quake here in Taiwan ( God forbid).

Red Chief · Feb 02, 2009

uaekid wrote:don't be this much narrow minded !! First of all it is not up to Etisalate it self to allow other companies to operate here or not..

Applause!

Red Chief · Feb 02, 2009

Double post

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

uaekid wrote:
Stylinexpat wrote:
andrewg wrote:yeah. I don't know where they get these prices.

They don't have a competitor that's why.

People can not do anything at all that's why they can just play the magic game of monopoly... if everything get competitive, a lot of business will be swarming in...

What's funny is how Etisalat bids for foreign telecom projects overseas and yet won't allow allow any telecome companies into their own country to compete with them. If I were other countries I would never allow a telecom provider to operate in my country when they themselves don't allow any others to operate in their country. One must be fair, you open your telecom services and we will open ours in return.. One must take and give these days.

In my opinion the Emirates has years to go yet before they catch up to modern nations. The local stock market is another example which offers no futures,no put, no calls, no shorting etc.. Look at how many telecom providers there are in Thailand and how many there are in the UAE.

don't be this much narrow minded !! First of all it is not up to Etisalate it self to allow other companies to operate here or not..

it is not about allowing or not, but its about the best quality! I believe Etislate is doing v.well in this field and one of the best tele companies that provide whats new in telecommunication if you rank them world wide and that’s why other countries seek their services . .

it is idiotaic to use the word monopoly since there is another company that operate the same business ,or do I have to define what monopoly is ?.

what is important to me is that Etislate contribute to the country big social funds like shak zaid housing project and the marriage funds..

I don't think there are many companies that compete with Etislate and if there will be , they wont contribute as much as Etislate..

Sorry but your judgment is v.poor to the subject sir.

DU operates under Etisalat meaning there is only one operator which fits under monopoly. A monopoly does not exist when the UAE allows another competitor to enter the market. Etisalat is government owned and that makes it a monopoly :wink:

It is not up to Etisalat to allow but since Etisalat is owned by the government there is not much of a difference. The government takes good care of the locals (Don't get me wrong) but that is also at the expense of those spending expats in the UAE :wink:

Stylinexpat · Feb 02, 2009

Red Chief wrote:
uaekid wrote:don't be this much narrow minded !! First of all it is not up to Etisalate it self to allow other companies to operate here or not..

Applause!

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