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Is it possible for the Arab countries to form an Arab Union which like the European Union will have one single currency,an open border and what is more important it wil have one single army of about 2 to 3 million.The problem with the muslim world is we dont have a massive super power like China,Russia or the United States which can act as the guardian of the muslim countries and which can protect the muslim world.If India and China can form one single country in spite of having so much diversities why cant you Arabs unite.From the Euphrates to the Atlantic and from Syria to Yemen you are one single nation.If the Arab Union is formed it will mark the beginning of the end of the American Empire and it will be the death sentence for Israel.For the sake of Islam unite.

There is talk of a common GCC currency and there are effectively no borders for GCC member nationals like the EU, however unity will never happen.

You seem to think that Islam is the unifying bond? The differences between Sunni and Shiite are legend. The nations are not founded on simple borders, but on tribal allegiences. Its never going to happen in this universe. Maybe in a parallel one?



Knight

why not.there are talks about African union with a single army.There are also talks about Mediterranian Union.Why cant the Arabs unite?you were one during the great Umayad and the Abbasid Caliphate.What is wrong being united again.The entire world is being united why cant the muslims unite.as long you wont be united and as long as you keep on bickering with each other the west is going to oppress you by devide and rule policy.look at what is happening.the entire Arab world in spite of having so much natural and popular resources is shivering in fear of a tiny little paste called Israel.if United States were devided into Texas,Caliphornia and Florida each an independent country would USA be the super power as it is.Yes there is Shia and Sunni problem.Iran is a Shiite country.But there is no shia-sunni problem among the arab world.

Where are you from brother? I am from Bangladesh as my UserID shows.

I am 100% in agreement with you. This is the call of the hour, need of the day for Muslims the world over. It's not just Arabs, we have to include Persians, Kurds, Turks, Pashtuns, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Somalis, Senegalese, Russian, Chechen, and all Muslims in this unity.

As of now, GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) seems to be the most effective union amongst Muslim countries. However one major obstacle in our way is western nations, led by USA.

Most Arab countries have leaders that answer to USA. The only independent Muslim countries today are I would say Iran, Sudan and really not much more. The leadership in almost all other countries are sold out. The leadership alone can't be blamed, we must blame the people, the masses for their inaction.

But you talk of uniting a religious front, rather than geographical locations, which is what Europe is. Europe has every type of religion, it;s not Christians United or anything like that.

People like you are dangerous in my book!

Chocoholic wrote:But you talk of uniting a religious front, rather than geographical locations, which is what Europe is. Europe has every type of religion, it;s not Christians United or anything like that.

People like you are dangerous in my book!

Are you responding to me?

The OP did mention an Arab Union which is the same as European Union in its membership criterion. There is no fundamental difference.

Now he did think of uniting Muslims all over the world, that is different from the EU but I believe that is just an example he used. Moreover if you ask many Turks they strongly and rightly believe, EU is indeed a Christian Club.

To add to that, your book doesn't sell outside your country. (i.e. we don't agree with you).

Dubai Knight wrote:There is talk of a common GCC currency and there are effectively no borders for GCC member nationals like the EU, however unity will never happen.

You seem to think that Islam is the unifying bond? The differences between Sunni and Shiite are legend. The nations are not founded on simple borders, but on tribal allegiences. Its never going to happen in this universe. Maybe in a parallel one?



Knight

Ditto......

muslimbangladeshi wrote:Where are you from brother? I am from Bangladesh as my UserID shows.

I am 100% in agreement with you. This is the call of the hour, need of the day for Muslims the world over. It's not just Arabs, we have to include Persians, Kurds, Turks, Pashtuns, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Somalis, Senegalese, Russian, Chechen, and all Muslims in this unity.

As of now, GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) seems to be the most effective union amongst Muslim countries. However one major obstacle in our way is western nations, led by USA.

Most Arab countries have leaders that answer to USA. The only independent Muslim countries today are I would say Iran, Sudan and really not much more. The leadership in almost all other countries are sold out. The leadership alone can't be blamed, we must blame the people, the masses for their inaction.

Bang on .....I did say you will call for this anytime soon in my other post.

The EU is far from being a Christian Club.

The Arabs are far from united and like DK says it will never happen. All the Arabs are interested in, is "borders"

arniegang wrote:The EU is far from being a Christian Club.

The Arabs are far from united and like DK says it will never happen. All the Arabs are interested in, is "borders"

I refuse to accept such a simplistic description of 300 million Arabs brothers and sisters, and how their minds work.

Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?
Turkey has been almost begging for membership for decades which European Union never accepts. Yet much poorer countries who were Soviet satellites were accepted. Turkey remains outside the helm. One must wonder.

muslimbangladeshi wrote:
I am 100% in agreement with you. This is the call of the hour, need of the day for Muslims the world over. It's not just Arabs, we have to include Persians, Kurds, Turks, Pashtuns, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Somalis, Senegalese, Russian, Chechen, and all Muslims in this unity.

R U mental? I'm American but my background is Turk and no way for this unity. Persians don't like Arabs so get real!!! And Russians!!! R U going to take away their vodka? A Russian cooperate with an Arab? Sorry Russians like to give orders. Indonesians? U better not touch Hindu Bali.

muslimbangladeshi wrote:

arniegang wrote:The EU is far from being a Christian Club.

The Arabs are far from united and like DK says it will never happen. All the Arabs are interested in, is "borders"

I refuse to accept such a simplistic description of 300 million Arabs brothers and sisters, and how their minds work.

Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?
Turkey has been almost begging for membership for decades which European Union never accepts. Yet much poorer countries who were Soviet satellites were accepted. Turkey remains outside the helm. One must wonder.

What's the status on Bosnia and Albania?

Well that's good, because we don't want Turkey as part of the EU either!

muslimbangladeshi wrote:Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?

All EU members are secular and therefore non-Christian. Except maybe the Vatican City (is it an EU member?). Some EU countries' governing bodies have Muslim members for example.

yaa arabs will never united no matter what.

Turkey does not qualify for EU Membershp until it sorts out its human rights issues. Its "social services" is appaling. The majority of children born with disabilities are given back to the state to care for and the state just basically lock them away in institutions.

A bit like Dubai really, how many people do you see out and about with handicaps both physical and mental??

There will not be a arab union or a single arab army. reasons are clear and simple. USA. Y do you think USA has bases in nearly all arabian countries? Y do you think USA luxuries such as hummer, macdonnalds and coke exist in muslim countries all together?

I wouldnt mind having Arab or Islam version of Nato or UN. I.e an attack on one Islamic country means an attack on all islamic countries. But the bottom line is this will not happen because of USA or USA puppets in muslim countries.

But if you are muslim and have read the Quran you will all know that Islam will rise from the West. This has already started. More and more westerns are becoming Muslims. Even though islam is on the news for all the bads news, you can say it is a blessing in disguise, because more and more people are becoming aware of Islam.


Those who have read about Islam history are aware how great empires such as the Mongol Empire had nearly wiped out Islam. But the same Mongols who had nearly wiped out islam later converted to Islam. Says alot about Islam.

We have the same thing going on today with USA and the west. Y is that American soilders fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, when they go back to USA convert to Islam?

Y is that americans and westerns including brits, germans etc are converting to Islam?

Y is that the greatest Army in the world i.e America Army has muslims in its ranks?

Y is it that CIA and FBI are hiring muslims?

Y are there muslims politicians sitting in the house of commons in UK?

We never expected a Black person to become a american president. Well who knows maybe down 50 years we might see a Muslim American President.

Y is it that ppl such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

I guess thats why ppl are afraid of Islam. its not because of al qaeda or osama. its because Islam is already in their homes, offices, armies and even secret services.

@bangladeshimuslim...i m from Bangladesh.After seeing all the responses to my subject now i understand why the Arab butt is being battered by the Anglo-American-Judaic axis of evil.All the rulers of the Arab world are corrupted power-monger hopeless piece of shit.Some of the countries are ruled by eunuch sultans with hundreds of girls in their Harem.rulers of these countries use American support to remain in power.There is no democracy in Arabia.That is the problem.And Islam does not support monarchial or autocratic rule.

Why cant the muslim world unite.The OIC can be declared a free market Zone.The OIC can sign a treaty pact like Pan Islamic Treaty Organigation (PITO) and can agree on restricting some immoral things which are being inflicted upon the muslim countries like alcoholism,adultary,pornography,prostitution.

I have heard someone speaking of secularism and human rights.You think the west has more human rights.What about the human rights of those hundreds and thousands of innocent women and children being mollested every single hour and then forced to pornography and prostitution.What about getting drunk and then commiting incest.What about all those night clubs,strip clubs and nudist clubs .Where men and women lie naked in the nudist beach.Where ninety percent of their men and women commit adultary.You want to import that kind of culture in the muslim countries in the name of secularism.Forgot of Dazzal having Heaven on his one hand and hell on his other hand?United states is preaching its whore culture in the form of secularism .

And speaking of Turkey...their position has become like this...they kave knelt down to their masters and begging o lord take me in your union we will do whatever you ask me to do like banning the hejab,introducing alcohol,pornography,prostitution.

Do you know why Salahdin defeated the crusaders?He won because he united the Arabs as one single country.Perhaps you wont understand until Imam Mahdi appears.

puppypup wrote:

muslimbangladeshi wrote:
I am 100% in agreement with you. This is the call of the hour, need of the day for Muslims the world over. It's not just Arabs, we have to include Persians, Kurds, Turks, Pashtuns, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Somalis, Senegalese, Russian, Chechen, and all Muslims in this unity.

R U mental? I'm American but my background is Turk and no way for this unity. Persians don't like Arabs so get real!!! And Russians!!! R U going to take away their vodka? A Russian cooperate with an Arab? Sorry Russians like to give orders. Indonesians? U better not touch Hindu Bali.

Assalamu Alaikum brother,
Are you a Kemalist?

Persians not liking Arabs is a generalization without basis. Muslim Russians mostly abide by Islamic laws, while if some of them don't, they are more Islamic than some Turks who drink "Raki".

Indonesia is also secular but has the largest Muslim population in the world.

You may not support this unity, but does it matter? As you said you are American and you are from a Christian country.

puppypup wrote:

muslimbangladeshi wrote:

arniegang wrote:The EU is far from being a Christian Club.

The Arabs are far from united and like DK says it will never happen. All the Arabs are interested in, is "borders"

I refuse to accept such a simplistic description of 300 million Arabs brothers and sisters, and how their minds work.

Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?
Turkey has been almost begging for membership for decades which European Union never accepts. Yet much poorer countries who were Soviet satellites were accepted. Turkey remains outside the helm. One must wonder.

What's the status on Bosnia and Albania?

Tiny countries where masses have largely abandoned Islam. Alcoholic drinks are commonly available, masses drink alcohol, exhibit their nude bodies and after all this(disgusting as it may sound) supposedly pray in the masjids.

That's Bosnia and Albania. In fact, Albania is the only country where Bush was popular despite what Bush has done to Iraq and Afghanistan and many more Muslim countries.

They are traitors if there ever was one in the Muslim world, some people also call Turkey a traitor, I don't know if that's true.

I just hope the Muslims all over the world see the benefits of forging a common union, maybe the Khilafah itself.

Chocoholic wrote:Well that's good, because we don't want Turkey as part of the EU either!

Turks who are still deluded about gaining membership to European Union, and abandoned all forms of decency to allow their mothers and sisters to be photographed nude, to allow bikinis, topless sunbathing, pornography and other sins, must read this confession, right from the British horse's mouth.

That was funny as! Well no, but I trhink the Greeks have alot to say about that! They hate the Turks with a passion!

bonk wrote:

muslimbangladeshi wrote:Can you name a nonChristian member of the European Union?

All EU members are secular and therefore non-Christian. Except maybe the Vatican City (is it an EU member?). Some EU countries' governing bodies have Muslim members for example.

ALL EU countries' governing bodies have almost exclusively Christian members.

Romania and Bulgaria, former Soviet satellites, now EU member.
Turkey, sided with Western world for 4 decades, still talks are continuing for accession to the EU.

Both Romania and Bulgaria is poorer than Turkey.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/opinion/turkey-eu-public-thinks/article-171187

France and Germany see EU as 'Christian club'

The main dividing line appears to be religion. Cultural and religious differences are perhaps the most sensitive of all the arguments raised against Turkish accession to the bloc, with several conservative European leaders, most notably France's President Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel, making the case for the EU as a 'Christian club'.

Both leaders can rely on large support from citizens of their own countries as well as others. The populations of France and Germany along with those of Austria, Cyprus, and Greece have been most critical of the prospect of allowing Turkey to join the Union, with proportions against membership as high as 80 percent, according to a Eurobarometer survey from 2005.

arniegang wrote:Turkey does not qualify for EU Membershp until it sorts out its human rights issues. Its "social services" is appaling. The majority of children born with disabilities are given back to the state to care for and the state just basically lock them away in institutions.

A bit like Dubai really, how many people do you see out and about with handicaps both physical and mental??

Is that the actual reason? I thought this was it.

France and Germany see EU as 'Christian club'

The main dividing line appears to be religion. Cultural and religious differences are perhaps the most sensitive of all the arguments raised against Turkish accession to the bloc, with several conservative European leaders, most notably France's President Nicolas Sarkozy and Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel, making the case for the EU as a 'Christian club'.

Both leaders can rely on large support from citizens of their own countries as well as others. The populations of France and Germany along with those of Austria, Cyprus, and Greece have been most critical of the prospect of allowing Turkey to join the Union, with proportions against membership as high as 80 percent, according to a Eurobarometer survey from 2005.

Ha see! The Spartans will have none of it!

Malaka!

rudeboy wrote:There will not be a arab union or a single arab army. reasons are clear and simple. USA. Y do you think USA has bases in nearly all arabian countries? Y do you think USA luxuries such as hummer, macdonnalds and coke exist in muslim countries all together?

Yes brother the USA is a major problem. But the USA is declining, Arabs have more than 300 million people, have more than 1.6 times the land area of the USA, have some of the fastest growing and richest countries in the entire world, have some of the best brands in the world in Emirates, Qatar Airways, Emaar, biggest airport in Dubai being built, tallest towers, most booming city etc.

Saudi Arabia is investing heavily in KAUST - a world class university in the making with over 33billion dirhams in endowments!

Hummer, mcdonalds and coca cola are POOR examples. They don't make or break anything. Japan has Toyota, Mitsubishi, Canon, Toshiba, Fujitsu, and so many other brands globally being used. Germany has Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, Siemens and so many more. You see it's just about economy as these brands alone can't make or break the political leadership of a country.

Your point is not right here but USA is a thorn in our Ummah's side.

I wouldnt mind having Arab or Islam version of Nato or UN. I.e an attack on one Islamic country means an attack on all islamic countries. But the bottom line is this will not happen because of USA or USA puppets in muslim countries.

Alhamdulillah it's much needed at this time. In fact, that's what the Khilafah should be for. It's the call of the hour.

But if you are muslim and have read the Quran you will all know that Islam will rise from the West. This has already started. More and more westerns are becoming Muslims. Even though islam is on the news for all the bads news, you can say it is a blessing in disguise, because more and more people are becoming aware of Islam.

Those who have read about Islam history are aware how great empires such as the Mongol Empire had nearly wiped out Islam. But the same Mongols who had nearly wiped out islam later converted to Islam. Says alot about Islam.

It's in fact true and a sorry and insulting part of Islamic history that internal quarrels and squabbling allowed some barbaric raiders like the Mongols to cause bloodbath in Baghdad and elsewhere. They were routed in Egypt because the Mamluks were united and fighting with a purpose. Inshallah we must unite!

We have the same thing going on today with USA and the west. Y is that American soilders fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, when they go back to USA convert to Islam?

Very few of them.

Y is that americans and westerns including brits, germans etc are converting to Islam?

Very few of them.
Secondly Islam is true and the right way because it is God's message to humanity. Doesn't matter who reverts to Islam, it was is and will be true Inshallah.

Y is that the greatest Army in the world i.e America Army has muslims in its ranks?

They have hundred times more Christians than Muslims. Secondly they are not necessarily the greatest army in the world. Thirdly they are declining as seen by their economic decline which will Inshallah induce a military decline and greater competition from Russia, China, European Union and if it unites, our Khilafah can easily overtake it Inshallah. Only the Unity is lacking at the moment.

Y is it that CIA and FBI are hiring muslims?

Y are there muslims politicians sitting in the house of commons in UK?

CIA maybe needs to spy on Muslims? The Muslim employees are nothing but traitors as you know many a Muslim are being killed and tortured by this devilish organization.

UK has not only never had a Muslim PM, the public says it will NOT vote for a Muslim PM.

We never expected a Black person to become a american president. Well who knows maybe down 50 years we might see a Muslim American President.

Y is it that ppl such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

Does it really matter what happened over there? It should be an insult to every Arab that with 300 million people, they are being ruled by puppets of a country formed only 200 years ago, which has half the size of Aruba (Arab Union) approximately and 1/50th the history of Aruba.

It should be an insult to every Muslim that individually no Muslim country is strong enough to be in the top 5 strongest, most advanced, or politically and militarily powerful countries in the world, yet the Khilafah, if all of us unite can be the undisputed most powerful Union of the world with membership open to all people in the world!

I guess thats why ppl are afraid of Islam. its not because of al qaeda or osama. its because Islam is already in their homes, offices, armies and even secret services.

Intelligent people are not afraid of Islam, in fact only the Western world is but the history is long. It runs back thousands of years when European nonmuslims used to spread propaganda against Muslims. It runs much further than the Crusades by Christians.

Chocoholic wrote:That was funny as! Well no, but I trhink the Greeks have alot to say about that! They hate the Turks with a passion!

*Sidenote*
Are you joking around here? Do you do it in real life too? No offence.

Really? You wanna go there? My ex is Greek and he had to put in 18 months in the Greek army because the Turks keep breaking their borders and messing about! He doesn't have a good word to say about them. I seriously don't think you would want to argue with him! Many Greeks hate the Turks - end of!

SPARTA!!!!

siraj_ud_daula wrote:@bangladeshimuslim...i m from Bangladesh.After seeing all the responses to my subject now i understand why the Arab butt is being battered by the Anglo-American-Judaic axis of evil.All the rulers of the Arab world are corrupted power-monger hopeless piece of tasty.Some of the countries are ruled by eunuch sultans with hundreds of girls in their Harem.rulers of these countries use American support to remain in power.There is no democracy in Arabia.That is the problem.And Islam does not support monarchial or autocratic rule.

It's unfair to castigate our Arab brothers in this manner. What have WE Bangladeshis contributed to the Muslim cause? Have WE been able to lead the Ummah into a unity? Has the OIC, led by a Turk, been able to make any meaningful impact in this crisis situation in Palestine?

The harems were a characteristic of the Ottoman harems, who were Turks. And while on democracy, do you know China is not much of a democracy? Are you observing the rise of China? Do you see that India is the world's largest democracy? Yet can it be compared in any indicator to China or Russia?

Why cant the muslim world unite.The OIC can be declared a free market Zone.The OIC can sign a treaty pact like Pan Islamic Treaty Organigation (PITO) and can agree on restricting some immoral things which are being inflicted upon the muslim countries like alcoholism,adultary,pornography,prostitution.

Ineffective leadership. OIC is being led by a Turkish person. It's common at least in the subcontinent, to blame Arabs for lack of unity. I don't see mention of this fact that OIC is being led by Turks and what has OIC achieved for our Ummah's unity and welfare?

I have heard someone speaking of secularism and human rights.You think the west has more human rights.What about the human rights of those hundreds and thousands of innocent women and children being mollested every single hour and then forced to pornography and prostitution.What about getting drunk and then commiting incest.What about all those night clubs,strip clubs and nudist clubs .Where men and women lie naked in the nudist beach.Where ninety percent of their men and women commit adultary.You want to import that kind of culture in the muslim countries in the name of secularism.Forgot of Dazzal having Heaven on his one hand and hell on his other hand?United states is preaching its whore culture in the form of secularism .

The western politicians speak of human rights to brainwash the masses and appear as the 'good' and 'civilized' side and depict the 'enemy' as 'backwards' and 'evil'. The masses gobble it up; and regurgitate it when they are asked for opinions on other societies. Unfortunately, the masses are gullible.

And speaking of Turkey...their position has become like this...they kave knelt down to their masters and begging o lord take me in your union we will do whatever you ask me to do like banning the hejab,introducing alcohol,pornography,prostitution.

Ditto.

Do you know why Salahdin defeated the crusaders?He won because he united the Arabs as one single country.Perhaps you wont understand until Imam Mahdi appears.

Salahdin Ayubi, a great Muslim leader, was of Kurdish descent (not Arab). He united the Muslim world irrespective of their ethnicity, Arabs, Persians, Kurds etc.