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hifriend223 wrote:Al-Hijr | 99 verses | Stoneland, Rock city, Al-Hijr valley سورة الحجر
Sura #15 | Makkah


9 إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
Transliteration 9: Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wainna lahu lahafithoona

Yusuf Ali 9: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

Shakir 9: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.

Pickthal 9: Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.

M. Khan 9: Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).

إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحفظون

Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikra wa-inna lahu lahafithoona

15.9 Truly we, we have revealed the account, and truly to Him, guardians.



The only two Koranic passages containing the term “lahafithoona”, and absolutely identical phrase (wa-inna lahu lahafithoona), occurs in sura 12, and paraphrases OT scripture regarding the son, Joseph, as witnessed here…


12.12 Arsilhu maAAana ghadan yartaAA wayalAAab wa-inna lahu lahafithoona


12.63 Falamma rajaAAoo ila abeehim qaloo ya abana muniAAa minna alkaylu faarsil maAAana akhana naktal wa-inna lahu lahafithoona



Thus, this gives us the vital evidence needed to ensure that “lahu” follows the masculine path and refers to a male…and not to an “it”…



If you read the context leading up to this ayah, you will quickly observe that it was taken from the Book of Revelation, with the “guardians” referencing the angels, and the “Him” referring to Jesus Christ.

15.8 gives us further confirmation that it is Jesus Christ by explicitly using the epithet “The Truth” which is one of the numerous Biblical attributes of Jesus…

15.9 has nothing to do with preservation of the Koran.

15.9 has everything to do the Jesus Christ as revealed through the Book of Revelation!


Perhaps, instead of pasting in plaigarized webpaste (of which you know nothing about), you could show some respect for the classic Arabic of your book of faith...as if it was something more than yesterday's trash...

In the Name of Allah, most Gracious, most Merciful

Qur'an it comes from the Arabic root "qa-ra-'a" and it means "recitation." The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah and it does not contain a single letter from anyone, even Prophet Mohammad . The Qur'an was revealed in pure Arabic to Prophet Mohammad over a period of 23 years (First Revelation in 610 C.E.), and (Last Revelation in 632 C.E.).

قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى أَن يَأْتُواْ بِمِثْلِ هَـذَا الْقُرْآنِ لاَ يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا

Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. (17:88)



The Qur'an has not changed by even an letter since its revelation fourteen centuries ago. Allah (SWT) has promised in the Qur'an that He will preserve it to the end of time.

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (15:9)

hifriend223 wrote:

Qur'an it comes from the Arabic root "qa-ra-'a" and it means "recitation."

Wrong.

It means collection.

The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah and it does not contain a single letter from anyone, even Prophet Mohammad .

The Koran never once states that it was divinely inspired.

Not once.

The Qur'an was revealed in pure Arabic to Prophet Mohammad over a period of 23 years (First Revelation in 610 C.E.), and (Last Revelation in 632 C.E.).

The Koran never once states this.

The Qur'an has not changed by even an letter since its revelation fourteen centuries ago.

There are no 1400 year old Korans anywhere in the entire world.

Allah (SWT) has promised in the Qur'an that He will preserve it to the end of time.

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (15:9)

Since you can't read Arabic (but can only google it), you are unable to refute our exegesis of 15.9...which does not even mention an "it"...

Please try harder...

Apple Pie wrote:

hifriend223 wrote:

Qur'an it comes from the Arabic root "qa-ra-'a" and it means "recitation."

Wrong.

It means collection.

The Qur'an is the direct Word of Allah and it does not contain a single letter from anyone, even Prophet Mohammad .

The Koran never once states that it was divinely inspired.

Not once.

The Qur'an was revealed in pure Arabic to Prophet Mohammad over a period of 23 years (First Revelation in 610 C.E.), and (Last Revelation in 632 C.E.).

The Koran never once states this.

The Qur'an has not changed by even an letter since its revelation fourteen centuries ago.

There are no 1400 year old Korans anywhere in the entire world.

Allah (SWT) has promised in the Qur'an that He will preserve it to the end of time.

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (15:9)

Since you can't read Arabic (but can only google it), you are unable to refute our exegesis of 15.9...which does not even mention an "it"...

Please try harder...

All what you say is 100% wrong

Please try to open your eyes and Please try to stop your Lies

hifriend223 wrote:All what you say is 100% wrong

Please try to open your eyes and Please try to stop your Lies

What Arabic word(s) are troubling you...?

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:How is it that Muslims base an entire theology around one mis-interpreted ayah...?

Who made you the master of interpretation anyway?

What Arabic word is troubling you...?

how do u pronounce jackass in arabic

الله

This is his literacy in arabic.

Looking a little deeper, we see just how Koranically accepted the Book of Revelation really is…


تنزيل من الرحمن الرحيم كتب فصلت ايته قرءانا عربيا لقوم يعلمون بشيرا ونذيرا فأعرض أكثرهم فهم لا يسمعون

Tanzeelun mina alrrahmani alrraheemi kitabun fussilat ayatuhu qur-anan AAarabiyyan liqawmin yaAAlamoona basheeran wanatheeran faaAArada aktharuhum fahum la yasmaAAoona

The Revelation from the most gracious, the merciful. A Book, its verses detailed, an Arabic collection to a nation they know. Bearer of good tidings and warner, so most of them He turned away, so they do not hear. (41.2 – 4)




إنه لقرءان كريم في كتب مكنون لا يمسه إلا المطهرون تنزيل من رب العلمين أفبهذا الحديث أنتم مدهنون

Innahu laqur-anun kareemun fee kitabin maknoonin la yamassuhu illa almutahharoona tanzeelun min rabbi alAAalameena afabihatha alhadeethi antum mudhinoona

Truly it is a holy collection. In a Book, carefully guarded. None touches it except the purified ones. The Revelation from the Lord of the jinn and of mankind. So is it with this, the narrative, you adopt a conciliatory attitude? (56.77 – 81)



These ayahs describe that the coveted Book of Revelation was converted into an Arabic collection (or Koran).

This would then explain why the Koran contains copious amounts of Biblical apocalyptic material.

Apple Pie wrote:Googling webpaste will not change the fact that the authors of the Koran copied their opus from the Holy Bible.

Apple_Pie,

There was nothing new in the mishmash and hocus pocus of the New Testament worth copying.

After all poor Jesus brought nothing new but John, the mysterious, unknown and the alleged beloved disciple wrote things new, not even known to the poor man Jesus.

You have been misinformed. The Christian Bible is a wholesale plagiarised copy of the Jewish Holy Scriptures. The three Synoptic gospels are copies of each other.

Mostly, Matthew and Luke copied wholesale from Mark, a Roman outsider, who wasn't even a disciple of Jesus at all.

BMZ

BMZ wrote:[i]Apple_Pie,

There was nothing new in the mishmash and hocus pocus of the New Testament worth copying.

As already amply demonstrated in the classic Arabic (of which you cannot read), the authors of the Koran disagree with you...

101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible

By Abdalla S. Alothman

Nay, We fling (send down) the truth (this Qur'ân) against the falsehood (disbelief), so it destroys it, and behold, it (falsehood) is vanished. And woe to you for that (lie) which you ascribe (to Us).
[Quran 21:18]

Time and time again, we Muslims have to endure accusations that our Qur'an is copied from the Bible. Below are 101 proofs that makes it impossible for the Qur'an to be copied from the Bible.


1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

2 - Who was created first, Adam or the Angles? The Quran says the Angels, the Bible doesn't say anything.

3 - Why doesn't the Bible mention that Noah had two wives, one was disobedient, and she died.
And another which was saved.

4 - Why does the Bible say that Noah's ark is in Ararat but it was discovered in Al-Judyy, as the Quran says so?

5 - Why does the Bible say that God afflicted women for Eve's sin, and the Quran doesn't tell us such thing.

6 - Where does the Bible tell us about the story of Aad and Thamood. The town of Thamoud has been discovered in Saudi Arabia--it's located in a place called Mada-in Saleh. And recently, the town of Aad has been discovered with the help of NASA's satellites. Check the link below:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ubar/

7 - Where does the Bible mention Prophet Saleh.

8 - Where does the Bible mention Prophet Huud.

9 - Where does the Bible mention Prophet Shu'ayb.

10 - Where does the Bible refer to Al-Khidr.

11 - Where does the Bible mention Luqmaan.

12 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story of the Cow that happened between Moses and the Jews.

13 - Where do you find in the Quran any reference to Hosea, Malachi, Micha, Jude, Nahum, Nehemiah, Obadaiah, Esther, Joel, Ruth, etc.

14 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story of Thul-Qarnayn.

15 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story of the People of the Cave.

16 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story of Antioch in Surat Yasin.

17 - Why does the Bible say that Jesus was crucified, and the Quran says that he was saved.

18 - Why does the Bible say that Abraham sacrificed his only begotten son, Isaac, and forgets that he had another son called Ishamael, who is older than Isaac.

19 - Regarding the dream Joseph had in Genesis 37, why is it fulfilled in the Quran and not fulfilled in the Bible? Could it be because that Joseph's mother died before Joseph had his dream? Bad prophecy. Read about the story here:

http://www.clgraph.com/Private/abdalla/ ... BibleError

20 - Why is it that the Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit had love with Mary, and the Quran tells us that the Angel who visited Mary told her that she will bear a son, and he is ONLY informing her of what God has decreed?

21 - Why is it that the Bible tells us that Moses was adopted by Pharaoh's daughter, and the Quran tells us it was Pharaoh's wife.

22 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Lut was a pious prophet, and the Bible tells us that he had love with his daughters?

23 - Why is it that the Quran tells us in Sura 19 and 20 that Moses was a special chosen prophet who was raised under God's supervision, and the Bible tells us that he died because he didn't disobeyed God?

24 - Why is it that the Bible says that it is written with the false pen of the scribe in Jeremiah 8:8, and the Quran tells us that it has no discrepancies?

25 - Why is it that the Bible tells us that Pharaoh did not drown, and the Quran tells us that he drowned, but Allah left his body as a sign to mankind. When they dissected Pharaoh's body, they found out that his body had too much salt inside it. You say the Quran is copied from the Bible? I say you are ignorant! Read the Quran 10:92.

26 - Why does the Bible tells us in Genesis that God had to take a walk to find Adam, and the Quran tells us that God's knowledge doesn't require that He walks?

27 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Jesus spoke in the cradle, but the Bible knows nothing about the childhood of Jesus?

28 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Jesus made miracles by giving life to statues made from clay?

29 - The Quran tells us that Aaron is innocent; he did not make the golden calf, but a man called Al-Samirri (A person who organizes songs and joy) made it, while the Bible tells us that Aaron made the Golden calf.

30 - why is it that the Quranic Laws state that the thief's hands should be chopped, and the laws of Moses say something else?

31 - Why does the Quran say lash the fornicators 100 times, and the Bible says stone them.

32 - Why does the Quran orders us to fast in Ramadhan and the Bible doesn't.

33 - Why does the Quran tells us that the inheritance share of the man is as twice as much as the woman, and the Bible has no such law?

34 - Why does the Quran tells us not to transgress in wars, and the Bible teaches us to kill every living thing including plants (Joshua 6).

35 - The Bible teaches us to kill unbelievers, and leave to ourselves YOUNG virgins who never knew a man (Numbers 31). Why isn't such thing present in the Quran?

36 - The Quran tells us to free slaves to enter heaven in Surat Al-Balad. Why doesn't the Bible say such thing?

37 - Why is Satan called a FALLEN ANGEL in the Bible, and not in the Quran?

38 - Why does the Quran tells us there are Jinn (Some are good and others
are bad), but the Bible doesn't mention Jinn?

39 - Why is it that the Quran tells us to perform Hajj to Makkah, and the Bible doesn't tell us such thing?

40 - Why does the Quran tells us that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, while the Bible says no such thing?

41 - Why is it that the Bible condemns David as a murderer, and the Quran tells us that he was a pious sinless prophet?

42 - Why doesn't the Bible tell us the story of Solomon and Balqees?

43 - Why doesn't the Bible tell us that Solomon had Jinns who worked for
him, and the Quran says so?

44 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Solomon had soldiers from the Jinn and the Bible doesn't say so?

45 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Solomon understood the speech of the birds and the Bible doesn't say so?

46 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that Solomon understood the speech of the ants and the Bible doesn't say so?

47 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that ONLY female bees get the honey, and the Bible doesn't say so?

48 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that the Quran mentions different levels in Paradise, and the Bible doesn't say so?

49 - Why is it that the Quran tells us that there is a tree in hell called Zaqquum, and the Bible doesn't say so?

50 - The Quran mentions Thal-Kifl as one of the prophets. Can you find his name in the Bible?

51 - Why is it that the Quran was finalized and approved by Prophet Mohammad (s), and the Bible was never approved by any prophet?

52 - Why didn't Mohammad make the Quran in chronological order just like the Bible? Why doesn't the Quran include the boring genealogies that are all over the Bible?

53 - Why is it that the Quran mentions Ishmael as an honorable prophet, and the Bible refers to him as the son of the slave woman (Galatians 4)?

54 - Why doesn't the Quran mention the story of the people of Tyre, while the Bible does?

55 - Why doesn't the Quran mentions the story of David and how he killed one of his enemies to marry his wife as the Bible did in I Samuel 25?

56 - Why is it that the Bible does not mention the story of David and Solomon with the sheep, and the Quran does?

57 - Why does the Bible mention Abraham's father by name, and the Quran mentions him by his nick?

58 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story when Abraham was put into a fire by his people and the Quran does?

59 - Why doesn't the Quran mention the interesting events that happened to Abraham in Egypt? (See BONUS #15 for one amazing example.)

60 - Why is it that the Bible tells us that John's mother was the daughter of Aaron, and the Quran doesn't say so?

61 - Why doesn't the Bible mention the story of how Mary was raised, and the Quran does?

62 - Why doesn't the Quran and the Bible have the same story about the birth of Jesus? The Quran says that he was born under the remnants of a palm tree, but the Bible says he was born in a stable.

63 - According to the Bible, who are the Sabians?

64 - Where does the Bible mention the Magians?

65 - In Genesis, the Bible tells us that Jacob had a fight with God, and the Quran tells us in Surat Al-Baqara that whoever takes the Angels as enemies, he becomes an enemy of God. Why do we see this contradiction? Moreover, why didn't Mohammad (s) tell us that Jacob wrestled with God?

66 - Why is it that the Quran tells us in Surat Taaha that the staff of Moses became a REAL snake, and the Bible tells us that it only appeared to be a snake?

67 - Why is it that Moses was the one who threw his staff during the contest with the magicians, and the Bible tells us that Aaron is the one who threw it?

68 - The story of Moses and the bronze snake in Numbers 21 is pretty interesting. Why is it mentioned in the Bible and not in the Quran?

69 - The Quran tells us to follow a certain procedure to cleanse ourselves before prayers in 4:43. Why doesn't the Bible give us the same instructions?

70 - The Quran tells us that Earth is round, but the Bible tells us that the Earth is flat. Why?

71 - The Quran tells us about Haroot and Maroot in Surat Al-Baqara. Who are those characters according to the Bible?

72 - Why is the story of Gog and Magog different in the Quran and the Bible?

73 - The Bible tells us that Prophet Elijah was raised to God. Why doesn't the Quran say the same thing?

74 - The Bible tells us that Solomon had many wives. Why doesn't the Quran say the same thing?

75 - The Bible tells us that God RESTED after he created the world. The Quran says that nothing makes God tired. Why?

76 - The Quran details embryology, why doesn't the Bible?

77 - The Quran mentions the names of the Gods during Noah's time in Surat Nuuh, why aren't those names present in the Bible?

78 - The Bible tells us that the whole Earth was flooded, why doesn't the Quran say the same thing?

79 - The Quran tells us that hell has 7 doors in Surat Al-Hijr (Ch. 15), why doesn't the Bible mention such thing?

80 - Why does the Quran say that Lot's wife was a bad woman, but God punishes Lot's wife in the Bible just for accidentally turning back to see what was happening in Sodom?

81 - Why does the Bible accuse Noah for getting drunk in Genesis 9, and the Quran frees him from such accusation?

82 - Anyone who curses his mother shall be put to death, according to Leviticus 20, why don't we find such a law in the Quran?

83 - Why is it that apostates are killed according to the Bible, and not killed according to the Quran? See:

http://www.clgraph.com/Private/abdalla/Apostasy.html

84 - Why is it that tattoos are forbidden in the Bible (Leviticus 19), and no tattoos are mentioned in the Quran?

85 - The Quran instructs us to treat those who are born from an illegal sexual intercourse as Brothers. But the Bible tells us in Leviticus 23 that they should NOT even enter the assembly of the Lord. Why didn't Mohammad (s) copy this beautiful law?

86 - The Bible tells us in Deuteronomy 25, that if two men were beating up each other, and the wife of one of them interfered, she should have her hand chopped off. Why didn't Mohammad (s) copy this beautiful law?

87 - Why does the Bible encourage Bribery in Proverbs 17, and the Quran never encourages such thing?

88 - Why does the Bible say that wisdom is a source of sorrow in Ecclesiastes 1:18, and the Quran calls wisdom a gift in 2:269?

89 - Why does God in the Quran tells us to avoid bloodshed, and the Bible God curses the sword which doesn't do bloodshed (Jeremiah 4?

90 - When God told Zachariah that he will have a son, Zachariah asked for a sign, and God gave him a sign in Sura 19. Does the Bible mention that sign? The Bible says that he could not speak, but it's detailed to us in the Sunnah that he was able to speak when he was praying. But, when it came to communicating with others, he did so by signs. Further more, the Bible says that Zakariyya was not able to speak because he was punished by Gabriel because he did not believe the angel, while the Quran tells us that it was a sign given to him--he asked God for a sign, and God gave him a sign, not a punishment.

91 - The Bible God in Leviticus 21 tells us that hunchbacks, dwarfs, cripples, blind people, people who are deformed or disfigured, or have damaged testicles--all those people cannot become priests. The Quran tells us that there is no difference between a man and another except in piety. Why didn't Mohammad (s) copy this BEAUTIFUL law from the Bible?

92 - Why does the Bible God in Leviticus 21 forbid priests from marrying divorced women, and the Quran doesn't say such thing?

93 - Why is it that the Bible tells the people to call a person who doesn't listen to his father or mother "stubborn and a drunkard"? The Quran does not tell us that we should call a person who is disobedient to his parents as a drunkard. Furthermore, the Biblical law is that this
person should be stoned to death, but the Quran approves no such thing. Why?

94 - The Quran tells us that we are not above the Law. We must adhere to the
Laws of God. But the Bible God tells the Christians in Galatians 2 that they are under no LAW!! In other words, God made all these laws, so that Christians can see them and smile. Why didn't Mohammad tell his people that the Quranic laws are only for non-Muslims?

95 - The Bible God tells us that He will let us see the love organs of the Jews, but the Quran mentions no such thing. Mohammad (s) had serious problems with the Jews, so why didn't he make fun of them with something similar with what we read in Nahum 3?

96 - In Romans 6, the Bible tells us that Jesus will never die again. But The Quran tells us that he will die and he will be raised at Judgment day. Why didn't Mohammad copy from Romans 6?

97 - The Bible teaches Christians to drink wine, the Quran forbids Muslims drinking. Why?

98 - 1 Corinthians 6 tells us that our bodies are members of Christ. The Quran tells us that our bodies belong to Allah, Christ has nothing to do with our bodies. Why didn't Mohammad (s) copy that from the Bible?

99 - In Ezekiel 20, the Bible God tells us that he wanted to decimate all the Israelites, but He didn't do so because it would hurt his reputation. In the Quran God tells us that He does indeed take away all the people if they were wrongful (Like the people of Noah, Sodom, Aad, and Thamood) if He
wills.

100 - The Bible God has a beautiful punishment in Malachi 2. He threatens an Israelite that He would fill his face with feces!! In the Quran, God never says such things.

101 - The Bible says that the Original Sin was committed by Adam and Eve when they ate from the forbidden tree. The Quran tells us that the Original Sin was Satan's arrogance when he didn't obey God, when God ordered him to do So.



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BONUS:

1 - The Quran tells us about an argument in 2:258 about Abraham and
the King. Does the Bible have this story?

2 - The Quran handles divorce with care. A divorced woman stays in her house; a man should provide for her; a man should not return his wife to give her a hard time, etc. Does the Bible have the same laws regarding divorce as the Quran?

3 - The Quran tells us that Sins are not inherited. But, the Bible tells us that sins are inherited.

4 - The Quran tells us that God forgave Adam's sin after he ate from the forbidden tree. Does the Bible say that?

5 - The Quran tells us in Sura 36, that the sun and the moon are independent from one another. Does the Bible say such thing?

6 - In 25:53 and 55:19-20 the Quran tells us about how salty and pure water bodies mix. Does the Bible say such thing?

7 - In Islam we believe that there are signs to Judgment Day. Most of these signs are mentioned in the Sunnah, however, one interesting sign is a Beast/animal that would appear to the people and inform them of their status. We find this beast mentioned in the Quran in 27:82. Does the Bible say such thing?

8 - The Quran tells us that man and women are created from ONE SOUL. Does the Bible say that man and women are created from one soul? No, the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 11:7 that man is the image and glory of God, while women are the glory of man.

9 - The Bible contains lots of contradictions. Why don't we find those contradictions copied in the Quran? To see a reply to allegations raised by the missionaries claiming that the Quran contains contradictions, please check the link below:

http://www.clgraph.com/Private/abdalla/ ... ction.html

10- The Quran says that one of Noah's sons was not saved from the flood because he was an unbeliever (Sura 11). Does the Bible say such thing?

11 - The Quran (10:90) tells us that Pharaoh tried to seek forgiveness from God. Does the Bible say the same thing?

12 - Ishmael, the son of Abraham, is considered a Prophet and a Messenger in the Quran. Does the Bible say that "Ishmael is a prophet"?

13 - We read in Surat Al-Nahl in the Quran, that the honey bee produces honey with different hues which is healthy and beneficial for mankind. Just recently, Apitherapy came up with a fantastic cure for arthritist and other chronic diseases--this therapy is called bee sting therapy, where the bee stings the patient and the venom would cure the pain. In addition, the Quran also says that the female bee is responsible for building the hive and collecting the honey. All that is proved by science today. I wonder which book of the Bible says such thing! Search the web for "Bee Sting Therapy" or "Apitherapy" to find out more.

14 - In in the 16th verse of Surat Al-'Alaq, we read: "A lying sinful forelock!" Psychologists and neurologists have confirmed that it is in this area of the brain where morals and behavior are processed. Therefore, when someone decides to lie, this decision comes from that front part of the brain, and the Quran refers to that specific part when it refers to lying. Now, I wonder from which Bible passage did Mohammad (s) copy that from.

15 - In the book of Genesis we read the story about what happened to Abraham when he went to Egypt. The Bible tells us that he sold his honor by allowing his wife to become Pharaoh's concubine, so that he could be treated well instead of being killed. Now there is nowhere in the Quran where such accusation is attributed to Prophet Abraham. I wonder why didn't Prophet Mohammad (s) copy such thing from the Bible.


Walhamdulilahi Rabbil Alameen

hifriend223 wrote:
70 - The Quran tells us that Earth is round, but the Bible tells us that the Earth is flat. Why?

According to the Koran, the earth has edges.

Apple Pie wrote:

hifriend223 wrote:
70 - The Quran tells us that Earth is round, but the Bible tells us that the Earth is flat. Why?

According to the Koran, the earth has edges.

lol! Now someone will come up and say that according to the NT, the world has FOUR corners.

BMZ wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

hifriend223 wrote:
70 - The Quran tells us that Earth is round, but the Bible tells us that the Earth is flat. Why?

According to the Koran, the earth has edges.

lol! Now someone will come up and say that according to the NT, the world has FOUR corners.

The authors of the Koran have to be careful of what they copy, as it ends up in the book of faith which islam follows...

30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Suleyman Atefl, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” The word “dahw” had also been defined as a game played with walnuts. Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was established by the Quran.

Even the books written a few centuries after the descent of the Quran likened the shape of the earth to a tray. Beliefs according to which the earth rested on the horns of an ox or was supported by a fish reigned over mentalities in the Arabic peninsula and many believed that earthquakes occurred when the fish down below waved its tail. The Prophet had no ocean-going ship to cross the earth from one extremity to the other, that would have supplied him with evidence proving the spheroid shape of the earth, nor had he a spacecraft from which he could have had an overall view of our world that would have provided him a photographic image of it, as he was not equipped with a camera. Our knowledge of the sphericity of the earth, which seems to us as an established fact, was then beyond the comprehension and imagination of the majority. Therefore, the Quran’s statement to this effect failed to be grasped. Men believed that the verse referred to the plenitude of the earth, ignoring the sense of rotundity.

Thus, at a time when most of the people believed in the shape of earth’s figure as a tray supported by an ox or fish, the Quran had beautifully described its actual shape. The fact that ostriches abounded in the Arabian Peninsula at the time must have permitted those who inquired into this mystery to hold an ostrich egg in their hands and examine it. The geoidal form is a gentle indication of this. The subtlety of the Quran’s expressions provides men with evidence.

174- O people! Verily there has come to you an infallible proof from your Lord. We have sent unto you a manifest light.
4-The Women, 174

hifriend223 wrote:30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Suleyman Atefl, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” The word “dahw” had also been defined as a game played with walnuts. Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was established by the Quran.

Even the books written a few centuries after the descent of the Quran likened the shape of the earth to a tray. Beliefs according to which the earth rested on the horns of an ox or was supported by a fish reigned over mentalities in the Arabic peninsula and many believed that earthquakes occurred when the fish down below waved its tail. The Prophet had no ocean-going ship to cross the earth from one extremity to the other, that would have supplied him with evidence proving the spheroid shape of the earth, nor had he a spacecraft from which he could have had an overall view of our world that would have provided him a photographic image of it, as he was not equipped with a camera. Our knowledge of the sphericity of the earth, which seems to us as an established fact, was then beyond the comprehension and imagination of the majority. Therefore, the Quran’s statement to this effect failed to be grasped. Men believed that the verse referred to the plenitude of the earth, ignoring the sense of rotundity.

Thus, at a time when most of the people believed in the shape of earth’s figure as a tray supported by an ox or fish, the Quran had beautifully described its actual shape. The fact that ostriches abounded in the Arabian Peninsula at the time must have permitted those who inquired into this mystery to hold an ostrich egg in their hands and examine it. The geoidal form is a gentle indication of this. The subtlety of the Quran’s expressions provides men with evidence.

174- O people! Verily there has come to you an infallible proof from your Lord. We have sent unto you a manifest light.
4-The Women, 174

Why do you insist on plaigarizing web-material?

Proffessor Apple Pie where is your answer on the 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible ?

hifriend223 wrote:Proffessor Apple Pie where is your answer on the 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible ?

Done.

Apple Pie wrote:

hifriend223 wrote:Proffessor Apple Pie where is your answer on the 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible ?

Done.

What is Done

I dont see any answer

You said : Holy Bible is the source ...

and i gave you 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible

Let us take one by one :-

1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Waiting for your answer

hifriend223 wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

hifriend223 wrote:Proffessor Apple Pie where is your answer on the 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible ?

Done.

What is Done

I dont see any answer

Answer to what....?

Your plaigarized webpaste...?

You said : Holy Bible is the source ...

and i gave you 101 Proofs that the Quran is Not Copied from the Bible

Let us take one by one :-

1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Waiting for your answer

The authors of the Koran state that they merely copied from the Holy Bible.

To state otherwise is to call the authors of the Koran liars...

Who was created first, Adam or Satan?

The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Answer the question.... If you are truthful.

outworldish wrote:Who was created first, Adam or Satan?

Satan, according to the Holy Bible.

The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Answer the question.... If you are truthful.

Perhaps you need to actually read the Holy Bible before following herd and commenting on it...

As previously stated, the Koran can only copy....the Koran contains only old news...

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:Who was created first, Adam or Satan?

Satan, according to the Holy Bible.



قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ )
(Produce your proof if you are truthful)

can you show us where in the bible ?



Lets go for prove Number 2 :

2 - Who was created first, Adam or the Angles? The Quran says the Angels, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Waiting for your answer

hifriend223 wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:Who was created first, Adam or Satan?

Satan, according to the Holy Bible.



قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَ )
(Produce your proof if you are truthful)

can you show us where in the bible ?

Ezekiel 28.

The authors of the Koran copied this material thousands of years after it first appeared in the Holy Bible.

Next...

Lets go for prove Number 2 :

2 - Who was created first, Adam or the Angles? The Quran says the Angels, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Waiting for your answer

The book of Job states that the angels existed before the earth was formed.

We all know that the Koran copies the book of Job, along with scores of others...


Perhaps you need to actually read the Holy Bible instead of googling the internet for your theology...lol...

وَقُلْ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا

Yusuf Ali 81: And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."



Who was created first, Adam or Satan?
apple pie answer : Satan, according to the Holy Bible (Ezekiel 28 )


Here is Ezekiel 28 : ( where is it mention that satan was created before adam) ...

Show us please :

Ezekiel 28 >>
New American Standard Bible ©

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Tyre’s King Overthrown
1 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“Because your heart is lifted up
And you have said, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods
In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are a man and not God,
Although you make your heart like the heart of God—
3 Behold, you are wiser than Daniel;
There is no secret that is a match for you.
4 “By your wisdom and understanding
You have acquired riches for yourself
And have acquired gold and silver for your treasuries.
5 “By your great wisdom, by your trade
You have increased your riches
And your heart is lifted up because of your riches—
6 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
‘Because you have made your heart
Like the heart of God,
7 Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you,
The most ruthless of the nations.
And they will draw their swords
Against the beauty of your wisdom
And defile your splendor.
8 ‘They will bring you down to the pit,
And you will die the death of those who are slain
In the heart of the seas.
9 ‘Will you still say, “I am a god,”
In the presence of your slayer,
Though you are a man and not God,
In the hands of those who wound you?
10 ‘You will die the death of the uncircumcised
By the hand of strangers,
For I have spoken!’ declares the Lord GOD!”’”
11 Again the word of the LORD came to me saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 “By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”


Judgment of Sidon

20 And the word of the LORD came to me saying, 21 “Son of man, set your face toward Sidon, prophesy against her 22 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“Behold, I am against you, O Sidon,
And I will be glorified in your midst.
Then they will know that I am the LORD when I execute judgments in her,
And I will manifest My holiness in her.
23 “For I will send pestilence to her
And blood to her streets,
And the wounded will fall in her midst
By the sword upon her on every side;
Then they will know that I am the LORD.
24 “And there will be no more for the house of Israel a prickling brier or a painful thorn from any round about them who scorned them; then they will know that I am the Lord GOD.”

Israel Regathered

25 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob. 26 “They will live in it securely; and they will build houses, plant vineyards and live securely when I execute judgments upon all who scorn them round about them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God.”’”

hifriend223 wrote:
Here is Ezekiel 28 : ( where is it mention that satan was created before adam) ...

Where does the Koran...?

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم

I seek refuge with God from the stoned Shaitan (Satan)

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

In the name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful

***

1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Al-Hijr | 99 verses | Stoneland, Rock city, Al-Hijr valley

26,27
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَانَ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ وَالْجَانَّ خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ


Yusuf Ali 26: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.


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Al-Kahf | 110 verses | The cave سورة الكهف
Sura #18 | Makkah


50 وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِن دُونِي وَهُمْ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ بِئْسَ لِلظَّالِمِينَ بَدَلًا


And (remember) when We said to the angels; "Prostrate to Adam." So they prostrated except Iblees (Satan). He was one of the jinns; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblees) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimoon (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc).




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1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

apple pie answer : Satan, according to the Holy Bible (Ezekiel 28 )


Here is Ezekiel 28 : ( where is it mention that satan was created before adam) ...

Show us please :


Ezekiel 28 >>
New American Standard Bible ©

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tyre’s King Overthrown
1 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“Because your heart is lifted up
And you have said, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods
In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are a man and not God,
Although you make your heart like the heart of God—
3 Behold, you are wiser than Daniel;
There is no secret that is a match for you.
4 “By your wisdom and understanding
You have acquired riches for yourself
And have acquired gold and silver for your treasuries.
5 “By your great wisdom, by your trade
You have increased your riches
And your heart is lifted up because of your riches—
6 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
‘Because you have made your heart
Like the heart of God,
7 Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you,
The most ruthless of the nations.
And they will draw their swords
Against the beauty of your wisdom
And defile your splendor.
8 ‘They will bring you down to the pit,
And you will die the death of those who are slain
In the heart of the seas.
9 ‘Will you still say, “I am a god,”
In the presence of your slayer,
Though you are a man and not God,
In the hands of those who wound you?
10 ‘You will die the death of the uncircumcised
By the hand of strangers,
For I have spoken!’ declares the Lord GOD!”’”
11 Again the word of the LORD came to me saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“You had the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 “You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond;
The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you.
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 “You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 “By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 “By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”


Judgment of Sidon

20 And the word of the LORD came to me saying, 21 “Son of man, set your face toward Sidon, prophesy against her 22 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“Behold, I am against you, O Sidon,
And I will be glorified in your midst.
Then they will know that I am the LORD when I execute judgments in her,
And I will manifest My holiness in her.
23 “For I will send pestilence to her
And blood to her streets,
And the wounded will fall in her midst
By the sword upon her on every side;
Then they will know that I am the LORD.
24 “And there will be no more for the house of Israel a prickling brier or a painful thorn from any round about them who scorned them; then they will know that I am the Lord GOD.”

Israel Regathered

25 ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “When I gather the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and will manifest My holiness in them in the sight of the nations, then they will live in their land which I gave to My servant Jacob. 26 “They will live in it securely; and they will build houses, plant vineyards and live securely when I execute judgments upon all who scorn them round about them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God.”’”

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. 002.120 Quran



I have put it in bold so my muslim brothers may take heed.

hifriend223 wrote:أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم

I seek refuge with God from the stoned Shaitan (Satan)

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

In the name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful

***

1 - Who was created first, Adam or Satan? The Quran says Satan, the Bible doesn't say anything.

Al-Hijr | 99 verses | Stoneland, Rock city, Al-Hijr valley

26,27
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَانَ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ وَالْجَانَّ خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن قَبْلُ مِن نَّارِ السَّمُومِ


Yusuf Ali 26: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.

Perhaps you meant to say sura 15.....yes...?


Further, show us the Arabic words that state..."before Adam"....


والجان خلقنه من قبل من نار السموم