Mayflower wrote:if a woman does wear burqa by choice i agree with it totally. why would anyone say anything against it ... only when the factor of compulsion comes in, i feel pity for them ...
I totally agree with you Mayflower.
The reason for this forcing, is that some families wrongfully think that by doing that, their girls will show as a "respectful" but on the contrary.
In my life i met ladies who were very liberal in cloths who were zillion time more respectful than some ladies in burqa' , abaya, or hijab.
The dress was never a sign of respect, BUT it might be a sign of specific ideology or lifestyle or belife.
But i totally agree with you. and moreover, i think it is bad to force ladies to do that, because it is harming all the society and the islam image, first the lady is harmed by being forced and she will have alot of problems. second the islam image is being bad as these girls will do things when they can and it will be shown as Muslim ladies are bad.
It is like in a football match and a guy with man united T-shirt hit someone. we say that a Man United fan did it, not Mr. Micheal did it.
So, i'm totally against forcing, totally with your point and finally we agree on something.
It is freedom, and it should be by free will.
Chocoholic wrote:It does not say in the Koran that a woman must be covered from head to toe - so why do it? As you said there is a certain requirement.
According to my knowledge (might be right or wrong) but i'm 99% sure. The Muslim scholars agreed on 3 requirments for the dress 1) doesn't reveal, 2) not transparent (show what is under) 3) not tight to give indication of what is under it (tight)
Personally (many scholars agree with me) i belive women should cover up from head to toe, except her hands and face (there is a hadyth (prophet say) about that but some say it is weak say).
But i belive in that for many reasons, it allow women to interact like in university, or in day to day life and you can know who you are talking to. For security, well some people used burqa including men to do crimes in some parts of the world. and For identification, so i can see who i'm talking too.
I know many respecful ladies who are dressed in Hijab, who are very modern and trendy in their cloths, and go out and interact with people and career orianted, and i really wish to marry one of these ladies who grabbed the best out of both religion and life. When one of them pass by me, i ask god to grant me such respectful wife that would brought my kids up the same way and i don't have to worry after my children's morals.
If one of them wanted to wear burqa' i still can't refuse (Assume i have a call) as it is their choice and their life, even if they are part of my life.
This was my opinion, and my interpretation of my religion. i have my own mind which is backed up by many many respectful scholars.
Chocoholic wrote:And please don't generalise by saying 'The West'! As there are many nations, cultures, tribes whatever who have no religion, choose not to believe in anything or have never heard of any.
Sorry for not being accurate, i assumed when i say the west, i ment the (western media) or the American society, which is still vast with different beliefs, Aslo the western europe countries, still very vast.
Chocoholic wrote:But I always think it's a bit odd when you go to the beach or where ever and the guy parades around in swimming trunks staring at all the other girls, but the woman is all covered up etc etc. I actually find this very disrespectful to the woman.
Disrespecful to which women?? the one with bikini the guys staring at, or the ones in burqa? If the guys with the lady in burqa' it is not disrespectful to her, nor the lady in bikini, but to the man himself who is looking, cause he got a jewel and still looking for another. That is greed
I see some ladies here in UAE sunbath topless, but i really don't mind, it is their call. I think i might mind if i got children though.
Anyway, i think we agree on some points.
Cheers