Bible Quotations - For Ebonics

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Mar 16, 2008
So, instead of addressing the contradictions you question my motives. Hmm.
say what?? oh child plz . I've been addressing your conjectures, even though nothing gets through you, I've still addressed them.

and I love innovations! I enjoy reading material that sheds "new light" and controversy into the Bible. But I know how to distinguish between innovations and bullcrap.

Did you notice how I stated that I read from several established Christian groups including Catholics and Protestant groups? Also I've mentioned this many MANY times before: I think that ALL established and SERIOUS Christian groups are VALID on their own basis even with differences that I might not agree with, they're still a lot more valid than not.

Re: JW. let me pose a scenario. If a Christian group comes along that does not believe in organized religion, or science for that matter, but calls itself..well let's just say it doesn't know what to refer to its group except for tax break purposes, it calls itself a religion but in actuality they're more like a sect, ok, well this group claims to have a new understanding of the Bible, for example. And they take huge liberties of interpretation and claim that the messiah was actually a certain Lord Xenu who came from a far away galaxy on a spaceship and landed on earth in the middle of a ring of active volcanoes. In the midst of all of al this this, there was a series of major explosions that killed many humans while aliens were running amok brainwashing the rest of the humans, the ones that survived. OK, would you Shafique, consider this group to be attempting a genuine understanding of the Bible? Serious question.

No, the JW don't believe in this stuff, and I'm of course alluding to Scientology, though obviously not a Christian group, they're a perfect example of a sect that has gotten its "influences" from a variety of works of literature, religions, philosophies and psychology and have formed a truly...bizarre interpretation of these works to arrive to their "philosophy". Do long-established religions consider Scientology a serious religion? I think not.

The JW is not a group that is taken seriously by the established Christian groups for several reasons, as the ones I've briefly mentioned but others that you can find out for yourself. But mainly, it's a group that butchers the Bible to fit their pre-determined belief system (a practice that you understand well, I'm sure). I think you love this group as an example because it serves as fodder for your critique of Christianity and also, they criticize established Christian groups, so hey, even better! Kinda reminds me of the Christian Zionists who naturally profess such a strong allegiance towards Judaism. But in reality, it's not that they love the Jews, it's that the Jews serve a self-serving purpose to these "Christians": shared political allegiances of the extreme American right as well as religious purposes. The Jews in their so-called "promised land" will hasten Christian Zionists prophecies, but alas, some Jews will still be condemned to hell. :-( awww. Kinda like the Jehova's, they serve a purpose when it comes to criticizing the Bible and other established Christian groups, but in the end they still won't be "saved" unless they're Muslim, according to your beliefs, right?

Here's another suggestion, since you're so into inconsistencies and really fond of the JW. Why haven't you ever tried to point out the inconsistencies of the Jehova's Witness Bible?

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I understand now - you agree with everyone who agrees with you. Thanks for clearing that up.

So apart from Jehova's Witnesses, Scientologists, Zionist Christians (I think you mean 'Jews for Christianity' as most Baptist Churches in the US are pro-Zionist) and Muslims - you get on with everyone else?

I thought Christianity teaches 'love thy enemy'?
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As for your last question - yes I have pointed out inconsistencies to JW - but I agree with them that Christmas is a pagan festival assimilated into Christianity and I agree they are right to not believe in Trinity. I am wrong to point out where our respective interpretations of Jesus' teachings are the same?

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lets just get 1 thing straight


jahovas, mormons, scientologists, are not christians.


they're whackos.
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Mormons and Scientologists don't call themselves Christians, but JW do - their faith is based on their interpretation of the Bible.

I hesitate to deny someone their professed faith - but it appears that some Christians aren't that charitable! :)

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Since yougo on and on and on and on in this loop, one accusing and the other denying then vise versa, I thought it would be nice to provide you with some new material:

Skeptic annotated
this includes both Bible and Quran and book of Mormons just in case.


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Thanks - I was wondering why my head was spinning! :)
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when the jahovas used to frequent my door.... (they do that )

i used to open the door, they start asking me if i know who jesus christ is... once that question is asked, its a good 80% chance they're a jahova.

i stop them in their tracks and ask them which church are they from, they'll NEVER say we're jahova's witnesses first go, you'd have to repeat the question 4 - 5 times.


once they say JW in succession - i slam my door shut


i dont consider jahovas, born again christians, church of the pentacost, mormons, apostolics, christians - they're sick misguided people that need a miracle in their own right.


i went on exchange to the states and i landed with a family that went to an apostolic church that was practically a cult, all their women had to wear long dresses, pants arent allowed, they proclaimed that TV is of the devil, and they wouldnt let me listen to music becuase it was unholy or so they said.

i lived like that for a whole year!!! week in week out id watch them fall to the ground "catching the spirit"


christians should take offence to these people labelling themselves christian.
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According to Jehova´s blood transfusion is against God´s will. I have seen that they rather let their own children die than allowing blood transfusion for their kids. Still makes me sick!
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shafique wrote:I understand now - you agree with everyone who agrees with you. Thanks for clearing that up.
uff...you're right. that is exactly what I'm all about. I think it's time to fire my therapist.

shafique wrote:So apart from Jehova's Witnesses, Scientologists, Zionist Christians (I think you mean 'Jews for Christianity' as most Baptist Churches in the US are pro-Zionist ) and Muslims - you get on with everyone else?
I thought Christianity teaches 'love thy enemy'? :wink:
Nope! I also don't get along with Jews (except the anti-Zionists ones), bazooka smokers, smokers in general, ghetto dwellers, people with facial hair, boring mommies, atheists, agnostics, extreme liberals, extreme conservatives, some evangelicals, krishnas, communists, catholics, hippies, new age peeps, wiccans and mormons. but besides these..I love everyone! ah, no enemies! my only enemy is stupidity, but I'm so used to it, that I've grown to love it.

As for your last question - yes I have pointed out inconsistencies to JW
pray where?? when?
but I agree with them that Christmas is a pagan festival assimilated into Christianity
I agree too.
and I agree they are right to not believe in Trinity.
hehehe, sure. it's not a big issue. but what is it to you?
I am wrong to point out where our respective interpretations of Jesus' teachings are the same?
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freza wrote:smokers in general, people with facial hair, agnostics, extreme liberals, hippies


seems we cant get along then.
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:lol:
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spoonman wrote:
freza wrote:smokers in general, people with facial hair, agnostics, extreme liberals, hippies


seems we cant get along then.
lol!
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