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Chocoholic wrote:Still you seem to have avoided my question! I DON'T HAVE FOG LIGHTS!!! So what should I use instead? I know for a FACT that you can see hazard lights from a greater distance than the standard front and rear lights.

And the comment about the police being stricter about the use of hazard lights, is just silly, because until all imported cars actually have fog lights as standard, this will not happen.

And another point, who the hell uses indicators here anyway?!

ebonics wrote:the cops here need to be re-educated from scratch.

I know for a FACT that you can see hazard lights from a greater distance than the standard front and rear lights.

reviewer wrote:Another thing to be asked is how come there was no police presence on that part of the road where the "fog occured. Didn't they (bureau) forecast the weather as being foggy that day, so police dep't they should have posted units on that road to forewarned/caution the drivers of the danger ahead.

Its been easy for them to blame others yet their overlooked their own responsibilities.

john smith wrote:

I know for a FACT that you can see hazard lights from a greater distance than the standard front and rear lights.

Please explain the science behind this FACT. The lamps in both indicators and rear lights are the same. In quite a lot of new (particularly US) cars the rear lights are the indictors.

Saying the wrong thing repeatedly doesn't make it right.

You are a fool.

ebonics wrote:not to mention, lincolns, which have the red light that doubles as blinkers -are the height of stupidity...

many times they started blinking and you dont notice them, especially when they're in your blind spot.... again - just because it exists doesnt make it right.

Not only Lincolns, all Vehicles with US Specs have these kind of indicators. In fact I believe that under Gulf Specs they are not allowed, yet another one of those little inconsistencies

ebonics wrote:im still standing my ground advocating hazard lights,

you'll get collected from the back by an absolute moron of a human being.

ebonics wrote:here is the exact law article

(e) the driver is driving in hazardous weather conditions (for example, fog or smoke); or

ebonics wrote:if you stop / crash / breakdown - you'd turn them on

so your logic, bonk, that they contributed to the extension of the pileup is just rediculous..

ebonics wrote:i fail to see how the hazards are blamed on this.

ebonics wrote:the first two cars that crashed, should they turn their hazards on or not?

Chocoholic wrote:Still you seem to have avoided my question! I DON'T HAVE FOG LIGHTS!!!

Anteater wrote:The problem is people and their driving skills...

ebonics wrote:flying dutchman raises a good point, i can see this turning to fog headlight city - people having them on for no reason at all - they double up like high beams

ebonics wrote:dont know where gulf news is getting their quotes or stories from.

bonk wrote:It will make a difference to the guy going 35 kph instead of 30 kph, or travelling 10 car lengths behind you instead of 11 car lengths. When you stop suddenly for whatever reason, you won't be able to warn them, they'll drive another 20m before they figure out you've actually stopped and it'll be too late, they'll crash in to you. If he had his hazard lights on, he won't be able to warn the car behind him who might crash into him, and so on and so on ...

Those drivers aren't the ones tearing down the highway in rocketships, they're the ordinary drivers like you and me who might be distracted momentarily - a kid in the back whines about something, change the CD, the radio station, look at the phone to see who's ringing, clean that smudge on the windscreen, grab a tissue because you're about to sneeze. In fog you can't afford to take your eyes off the road for a second, unlike in clear day where you have a much greater awareness of what's happening around you.

bonk wrote:I'm still waiting for all the hazard light users to rip apart my argument for keeping them off except for emergencies:

bonk wrote:It will make a difference to the guy going 35 kph instead of 30 kph, or travelling 10 car lengths behind you instead of 11 car lengths. When you stop suddenly for whatever reason, you won't be able to warn them, they'll drive another 20m before they figure out you've actually stopped and it'll be too late, they'll crash in to you. If he had his hazard lights on, he won't be able to warn the car behind him who might crash into him, and so on and so on ...

Those drivers aren't the ones tearing down the highway in rocketships, they're the ordinary drivers like you and me who might be distracted momentarily - a kid in the back whines about something, change the CD, the radio station, look at the phone to see who's ringing, clean that smudge on the windscreen, grab a tissue because you're about to sneeze. In fog you can't afford to take your eyes off the road for a second, unlike in clear day where you have a much greater awareness of what's happening around you.

^ian^ wrote:If you suddenly stop your brake lights come on. It was said earlier.

^ian^ wrote:I'm tired of this argument, I win.

bonk wrote:

^ian^ wrote:If you suddenly stop your brake lights come on. It was said earlier.

Brake lights come on whether a car is slowing down gradually or suddenly stops. They serve a different purpose to hazard warning lights. You really don't get it do you?

^ian^ wrote:I'm tired of this argument, I win.

Bravo.

I wasn't trying to win an argument, I was trying to explain how you could become a safer driver. If you choose not to, so be it. People who drive safely shouldn't be directly affected by your decision, but you will be - your chances of being hit by an inattentive driver are higher.

I accept I've failed to convince you of that, so yes, I guess you've won.