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Thanks ebonics - but you have not presented any information on the taxes that Muslims had to pay.

I also think you will fail to produce a reference for jizya being set at 75% of income.

Anyway, I await the references.

[ps I have loads of links to videos that prove NASA didn't land on the moon, that the earth is flat etc ]

Cheers,
Shafique

ebonics wrote:success...........


Sura 9 verse 29

[29] Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Yes, this is from the Quran. This is 100% in accordance with my previous post. What part of this verse do you think is not?

ebonics wrote:s
Sura 9 verse 30

[30] The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Al-Masih the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


who on earth is uzair btw?

See my reply from yesterday to FD in 'Quran has no contradictions' thread - Uzair is also known as Ezra.

I don't see where this verse says people should be converted by force.

ebonics wrote:and tafseer ibn katheer (as authenticated by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Endowments, Da‘wah and Guidance)

http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispT ... tashkeel=0


i think now you have no excuse but to reply shafique, i did my homework.

The Tafseer does not say people should be converted by force. Thank you for making my point.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:

ebonics wrote:and tafseer ibn katheer (as authenticated by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Endowments, Da‘wah and Guidance)

http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispT ... tashkeel=0


i think now you have no excuse but to reply shafique, i did my homework.

The Tafseer does not say people should be converted by force. Thank you for making my point.

Cheers,
Shafique

have you even bothered reading it?


the very first line of the tafseer, the very FIRST

"KATELOO"

meaning fight, battle

kateloo, derived from katl, meaning KILL



come on man, again you're insulting me here...

shafique wrote:Thanks ebonics - but you have not presented any information on the taxes that Muslims had to pay.

I also think you will fail to produce a reference for jizya being set at 75% of income.

Anyway, I await the references.

[ps I have loads of links to videos that prove NASA didn't land on the moon, that the earth is flat etc ]

Cheers,
Shafique

i dont care about the taxes muslims had to pay, its completely irrelevant to the jizya that none-converts had to pay.... i already established its not a tax - it is a PENELTY.

the word jizya means penelty, i already also derived its meaning from its original word JAZA'A.... so you're going around in circles.

ebonics - I cannot improve on my previous explanations and references.

If you have another topic to discuss, please bring it on.

cheers,
Shafique

mate,

i got you literal words - out of the most credible of credible sources....

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Endowments, Da‘wah and Guidance


what better source do you want me to quote? no publication, no book, will compare to this - why are you avoiding my question?

as far as im concerned, a none-arabic speaker's explaination against that doesnt stand for a grain of salt in a mile long river..


marvin gaye - can i get a witness would be good right now.

You evade the question I asked.

Whilst you may think the Saudis are the foremost authority on Islam, that is not a view I (and many others) share.

Why do you dismiss the Quran, hadith and historians and quote hypothetical and convoluted scenarios which seek to discredit Islam.

What would your Christian parents say if I went round and said the Bible celebrates incest - because it talks about the Prophet Lot sleeping with his daughters? Would they be happy if I implied that Christians think it is ok to sleep with one's daughter?

Kudos on quoting the great Marvin Gaye though.

Cheers,
Shafique

if you quote me a credible source saying so - ill take it on board...



and i dont understand what you mean by the saudi's not being the primary source of islam - thats the biggest oxymoron i ever encountered.


this website, was made primaraly to promote islam to people - not to discredit it... i cannot fathom how you are trying to discredit this website as a true authentic valid source, yet you're quoting published books - simple points of view?


if you want to discredit this website as a source, why dont you get in contact with them and tell them that they're writting teachings of rubbish?


their reply would be highly amusing, as they are the people that first commissioned the qur'an in the first place..

shafique - think about what you're saying.

please look up the terms 'Wahabi' and 'Shia' and you will be enlightened.

Cheers,
Shafique

so what

shia'ites and wahabi's are not muslims?


wahabis arent, but shia'tes most definatly are..


this is a suna website by the way.

nice try though.

ebonics wrote:so what

shia'ites and wahabi's are not muslims?


wahabis arent, but shia'tes most definatly are..


this is a suna website by the way.

nice try though.

There is no fooling you is there! You will forgive me for trying though, won't you?

Cheers,
Shafique

ok is ebonics a muslim?? the guy has so much knowledge about islam. what you think shaf? the guy sounds like a muslim. brother ebonics do you belong to the qaida group??

by the way i luv Hitler i luv the way hitler was able to hyptonize the general public. luv the way he would talk and hold speeches and i luv the way he was able to stir up trouble. I dont like what he did with the jews but its abit ironic init with wot the jews are doing to the muslims in leb and israel??

is abit ironic isnt it that Presidents of USA and polticians of UK are able to hyptonize the general ppl??


lol we all aint perfect. now tell the truth are you a jew or a muslim. i am assuming u r a jew. be honest. no i dont want to make fun of how ur x family member was cooked like a dish in the ww2. but i would luv to know where you coming from. y do you hate islam so much? what has islam done to u? y are u so scared of it? is it some disease thats going to kill you?

rudeboy wrote:ok is ebonics a muslim?? the guy has so much knowledge about islam. what you think shaf? the guy sounds like a muslim. brother ebonics do you belong to the qaida group??

by the way i luv Hitler i luv the way hitler was able to hyptonize the general public. luv the way he would talk and hold speeches and i luv the way he was able to stir up trouble. I dont like what he did with the jews but its abit ironic init with wot the jews are doing to the muslims in leb and israel??

hahahhahaha - id rather be jew over muslim - thats saying something.


and i agree with you whole heartedly, hitler was one of the most charismatic and influential people to walk this planet, he had amazing charachter, so did winston churchill.


my knowledge of islam - well where i grew up they forced us to learn about islam, so i had no choice in that matter.

ebonics wrote:

rudeboy wrote:ok is ebonics a muslim?? the guy has so much knowledge about islam. what you think shaf? the guy sounds like a muslim. brother ebonics do you belong to the qaida group??

by the way i luv Hitler i luv the way hitler was able to hyptonize the general public. luv the way he would talk and hold speeches and i luv the way he was able to stir up trouble. I dont like what he did with the jews but its abit ironic init with wot the jews are doing to the muslims in leb and israel??

hahahhahaha - id rather be jew over muslim - thats saying something.


and i agree with you whole heartedly, hitler was one of the most charismatic and influential people to walk this planet, he had amazing charachter, so did winston churchill.


my knowledge of islam - well where i grew up they forced us to learn about islam, so i had no choice in that matter.

lol ebonics i rather be a muslim over a jew any day hmmm i guess that says something too .

Hitler was a top guy. i luv the guy and if u read the history of germany you will learn how he was able to take germany from being some third class country to a great empire which nearly took over the whole of the europe.

ebonics i dont know what religion u r and i dont know where THEY forced u to learn about islam. i would luv to know this.

but even i was forced to learn about Christianity and to read bible and to read hymns. I had no choice but i had to do this. because i was living in UK and i had to live by their rules and customs and i respected that because i got to know more about Christianity. just like u i know quite a bit about christianity. now is there anything u like about islam .

i know alot of bad things about christianity but do you see me cricitising?? i can but what will it get me?? the satisfaction to proove the world that hey my religion is better then the rest!!!!!