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The following link displays horrific images and video footage from Chinas biggest fur trade market. Many of these animals meet horrific and painful deaths, many being skinned alive in the name of fashion!

And before any of you has the stupidity to say, but they're only animals, who cares? Just think if human beings are prepared to treat defenceless animals in this manner, what hope is there for humanity and the way we treat each other!

Plus this is happening in what is supposedly an enlightened society? And a place that is to host the next Olympics! It's a disgrace!

If you still think fur for fashion is cool after viewing this, then you have blood on your hands. I have nothing but for anyone who thinks this is acceptable.

http://justnicephotos.homestead.com/dog ... trade.html

I just don't have the words to discribe how awful that is. I've always heard nasty things about the fur industry, but to actually see it is beyond belief.

Come on, this is coming from a country that smacks the crap out of a dog before they are about to slaughter it, just to get the meat nice, tender and juicy. Or serves 'cooked' live fish - for that added freshness.

That said choco, have you actually been in or seen a slaughter house? Much much more horrific scenes to be depicted from there. We call ourselves 'civilised' and 'evolved'? Everything around us, maybe, but we still rape the earth bare just as we did when we were picking ticks off each other.

that doesn't justify anything...if people don't take action...however small they may be...the earth will be ravaged more and more...i have 2 cats of my own...and hey i'd hurt any mo fo real bad!!...if they tried to do anything to them...sorry to sound harsh...i am frigging angry...and i live in the region which is a part of china...bird flu/flu pandemics/cruelty/deception/SARS....the list is endless...!!!...(but i do love hk,despite the fact it was "forced" to be a part of china)...now hk looks like a "glazed" city with all the glamour being sucked out by the so called "liberal-paternal" chinese govt!!!!....

There can be no justification for such cruetly! THese animals have no voice, if we don't stand up for them then who will. For the creatures that cannot tell of their suffering I'll gladly take up their cry, I may only be one voice, but if others have the guts and the will to join in, the cry can become a roar and try to put and end to this bloody industry.

I agree, there is no justification for such cruelty. I was merely implying it comes as no shock/surprise considering the culture u are referring to.

dude...you are right...theirs is a culture built on stigma/ignorance and surpression..thus no surprises there...but amiazing part is , do they care..NEVER!...(before anyone gets heated up..i am talking about the "mainland" chinese government/villages)
i might adopt a cat while i am in dubai...perhaps thats a start...

This is just as bad as veal yet people still eat it

Yeah, veal is something that makes me sick when I see it on a menu, it's awful to think that the poor calves slaughtered for that have zero life.

I know that the item I posted focuses on the Chinese industry but others are just as bad.

If you come across a coat made of Carakul or Broadtail fur, it might interest you to know that this is actually the skin from a lamb foetus! Yep you read right,a lamb that hasn't even seen the light of day. Breeders kill the ewe whilst heavily pregnant, then rip the unborn lamb from the womb and skin it. You see the younger the lamb the more tightly curled and soft the hair is.

When I read a report from a journalist who'd gone undercover and shot footage of this happening - or course the breeders will never admit to it! It absolutely chilled me, horrid.

XRW-147 wrote:I agree, there is no justification for such cruelty. I was merely implying it comes as no shock/surprise considering the culture u are referring to.

absolutely! I saw this, about a Chinese restaurant in China on 'taboo' on national geographic channel few months ago.
the owner of that place incarcerate snakes for their elite and famous serving... it goes like this; the guy pokes a pointy stick like object on the snake.. until the snake gets aggressive and starts fighting back..(they do this because when the snake gets angry his blood pumps faster into its body and becomes hot & that what makes it so ‘healthy’ ) then the guy puts his hand in the snakes cage & rapidly holds his throat and makes a cut on the snakes body where the liver is. ..he takes off the liver and again cuts the organ making the blood fall into a glass he has placed and this blood is served to the guest of the restaurant…(the remaining snake is cooked and served on the table)
when this regular guest was interviewed he said that since he has started drinking this, he feels very energetic.. all his grey hair’s gone replaced by the black ones.. he feels younger.. and more ‘manly’ (whatever that means)

Snake's blood - the china man's viagra.

XRW-147 wrote:Snake's blood - the china man's viagra.

your kiddin rite?

Sadly no. And these are the same people who think it's ok to have tigers poached to use their body parts in remedies as they think it's an aphrodisiac and has healing properties - that's why we're losing all the endangered species, for stupid things like this.

easternjewel wrote:

XRW-147 wrote:I agree, there is no justification for such cruelty. I was merely implying it comes as no shock/surprise considering the culture u are referring to.

absolutely! I saw this, about a Chinese restaurant in China on 'taboo' on national geographic channel few months ago.
the owner of that place incarcerate snakes for their elite and famous serving... it goes like this; the guy pokes a pointy stick like object on the snake.. until the snake gets aggressive and starts fighting back..(they do this because when the snake gets angry his blood pumps faster into its body and becomes hot & that what makes it so ‘healthy’ ) then the guy puts his hand in the snakes cage & rapidly holds his throat and makes a cut on the snakes body where the liver is. ..he takes off the liver and again cuts the organ making the blood fall into a glass he has placed and this blood is served to the guest of the restaurant…(the remaining snake is cooked and served on the table)
when this regular guest was interviewed he said that since he has started drinking this, he feels very energetic.. all his grey hair’s gone replaced by the black ones.. he feels younger.. and more ‘manly’ (whatever that means)

Oooooooooooooooooo, had that! U see it in Wanchai Market often. Large cages of snake, which can be bought, then the blood drank and then chopped up and into the frying pan she goes.

also, been to a few markets in China that "sell" animals. Was not impressed at all. You do feel sorry for the poor things, but as someone said, we are talking about an ignorant race (no offence) but if it has it's back to the sun, then it is edible!

I sem to remember the weekend market in Bangkok had some pretty damn miserable looking pets, but have to amit, they were in better shape than those poor things.

disney in hong kong has the worst PR machine ever...they were serving sharks' fin soup at weddings (its a delicacy here...and no wedding is complete without it)...children started protesting and refusing to visit disney...imagine a CO whose potrayal of animals as lovable charecters has a corporate srategy that would make a dodo look like einstein!!

Wow, sharks fin soup is indeed a delicacy in HK. No wedding worth its salt would NOT have sharks fin soup on the menu. Nothing to rave about I have to admit.

I used to play golf up in Guanzghou and I ahve to admit, Dog and donkey were on the menu in the Golf Clubs!

dude the list is endless...what i fail to understand sometimes is...lots of it is taboo/makebelief and just not plain nutritious...i mean c,mon "chicken feet"???...wtf???...pork intestines ....where is the puke bucket?

The ones I really like is when you go to a fancy banquet meal, and the locals at the table start eating the chicken and fish heads! They literally fight over it! Must admit, the flaesh off the cheek of the fish is damn nice, but to eat the whole fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Abolone is another "delicacy" that I never quite got to grips with and again, it is Very, very expensive.

where are you in HK?

i live on hong kong island...kennedy town...by the sea...nice place and i have a much bigger place with a roof top ...rents are starting to go up again ...how about you...are you from hk or have worked there previously?

Hmmm I have to admit I like shark's fin soup. No Chinese wedding anywhere in the world is complete without it.

Alwayz get the chicken's feet in black bean sauce at dim sum also. That's what I miss while I'm in Dubai - nice dim sum! Alwayz stuff myself silly when I go to Singapore every month, cause the 'Chinese' food taste like crap here.

constantine wrote:i live on hong kong island...kennedy town...by the sea...nice place and i have a much bigger place with a roof top ...rents are starting to go up again ...how about you...are you from hk or have worked there previously?

was in HK for 7.5 years. Lived in Discovery bay, then before I left to come here I was in Hang Ha Po village (wishing tree country)

XRW-147 wrote:Hmmm I have to admit I like shark's fin soup. No Chinese wedding anywhere in the world is complete without it.

Alwayz get the chicken's feet in black bean sauce at dim sum also. That's what I miss while I'm in Dubai - nice dim sum! Alwayz stuff myself silly when I go to Singapore every month, cause the 'Chinese' food taste like crap here.

Have you tried the restaurant at the back of Lamcy laza, place called Lan Kwai Fong? Not bad, but a bit more towards english style chinese food. I hear there is a good place near Clock Tower roundabout. I have yet to try it, but will do soon.

Haven't as et yorky, cause I heard it was 'westernized' chinese. Guess it couldn't be any worse than 'Indianized' chinese - no disrespect.

haha ..."indianized chinese" is sweet and sticky...can't be worse than take away chinese food..lol...hey yorky i lived in disco bay or better known as "delivery bay"(large number of babies)...for about 8 months...was good and bad...bad when you had to take the ferry at 4 am "pished" out of your mind...good when you wanted to trek and see waterfalls and have a balcony...yong kee in Lan Kwai Fong is the best chinese food i've ever tasted...i am going to miss the dim sum here for sure!!....the big maxims at star ferry...delicious!!

Indianized Chinese is just putrid - period. I savour every trip back to Sg, gawd I'm hanging out for decent food.

Hey you guys,

Sharks Fin soup is so not cool! They catch the poor things, cut the fins off on the boat then throw the still live shark back into the see, but of course without it's fins it just sinks to the bottom and basically drowns. Sharks have to be constantly on the move to push water through their gills, if not they pretty much suffocate.

Think about that next time you enjoy!

Pretty common knowledge I would say - same as poor tuna fish/dolphins that get reemed through grinders to give you delicious canned treats. Or same slaughter houses... lets not go there.

Back on topic, as with fur, there are artificial alternatives.

Yes there are some fantastic faux fur materials around these days. I've not idea why people can't just use those.

Have to ask another question, do you think it's acceptable to use vintage fur? There's so many of these around still from the 20's, 30's.

Chocco, not sure if u got what I want hinting but there is articifial SF available.

In answer to your question, my view is two fold. Personally speaking, ethically you convey the wrong message by utilizing it, however, practically if the animal has already suffered it's cruel fate why waste it by discarding/destroying the fur?

That's what I meant by faux fur = fake fur.

Hmmmm true what you say about the vintage, bit I still don't know. It's just I saw a piece in the tabloid today about it and it got me thinking that's all.

Another interesting twist.