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Hi guys the word Islamic fundamentalist is being used alot in the media. Especially in CNN and other news channel.

heres the meaning of fundamentalism on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.


According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’. Notice the word especially ISLAM???? so does that mean when someone hears the word Islam and fundamentalism together, that person is a Terroist? does that mean every Muslim is a terroist??


so ok now we know that a fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
so to be a good muslim you should pray 5 times a day, give charity perform hajj and believe in one god and Mohammed (pbuh) is his last messenger. So if i do all I become a islamic fundamentalist? does that mean that ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERROISTS?????

rudeboy wrote:Hi guys the word Islamic fundamentalist is being used alot in the media. Especially in CNN and other news channel.

heres the meaning of fundamentalism on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.


According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’. Notice the word especially ISLAM???? so does that mean when someone hears the word Islam and fundamentalism together, that person is a Terroist? does that mean every Muslim is a terroist??


so ok now we know that a fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
so to be a good muslim you should pray 5 times a day, give charity perform hajj and believe in one god and Mohammed (pbuh) is his last messenger. So if i do all I become a islamic fundamentalist? does that mean that ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERROISTS?????

Science, mathematics and, to a certain extent medicine, can be proved, religion can't! You need to make a clear distinction. Fundamentalism goes way beyound what you have described.

All Muslims aren't terrorists, but those who believe the literal word of the Qu'ran seem to believe that anyone who isn't Muslim is against them and indeed, from my reading on here, can be killed and are therefore these people are deemed dangerous by the MAJORITY of the world who isn't Muslim.

Christians and other religions have nutters too, there seems to be a particular breed of it that is growing within Islam that is worrying the world just now.

scot1870 wrote:

rudeboy wrote:Hi guys the word Islamic fundamentalist is being used alot in the media. Especially in CNN and other news channel.

heres the meaning of fundamentalism on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.


According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’. Notice the word especially ISLAM???? so does that mean when someone hears the word Islam and fundamentalism together, that person is a Terroist? does that mean every Muslim is a terroist??


so ok now we know that a fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.
so to be a good muslim you should pray 5 times a day, give charity perform hajj and believe in one god and Mohammed (pbuh) is his last messenger. So if i do all I become a islamic fundamentalist? does that mean that ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERROISTS?????

Science, mathematics and, to a certain extent medicine, can be proved, religion can't! You need to make a clear distinction. Fundamentalism goes way beyound what you have described.

All Muslims aren't terrorists, but those who believe the literal word of the Qu'ran seem to believe that anyone who isn't Muslim is against them and indeed, from my reading on here, can be killed and are therefore these people are deemed dangerous by the MAJORITY of the world who isn't Muslim.

Christians and other religions have nutters too, there seems to be a particular breed of it that is growing within Islam that is worrying the world just now.

I hve give you the link and it shows you the meaning of the word fundamentalism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

As you can see in the link the word Fundamentalism was a word INITIALLY used for a group of christians who believe that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without ANY ERRORS and mistakes. U only see the word Islam mentioned later on.

Scot you are right to a certain context that who ever is not muslim can be killed and many muslims say this. But this is only because they havent read Quran or its translation properly or they have been misquoted. I ll show you.

In the Quran it says
"
Kill the Mushrikoon (polytheists) where ever you find them , The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 9, Verse 5 "

if you read this on its on it shows that Qur'an Commands the killing of Disbelievers i.e non muslims.

This is WRONG, you are reading one line but If you read the chapter(Surah At-Taubah) from the beginning the first verse talks about the treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (Pagans) of Mecca i.e non muslims.

"Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty ", The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 9, Verse 1

In the next verse The Meccans are given four months time to set things right otherwise a declaration of War and coming to verse [9:5], the complete verse is

"
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 9, Verse 5

Hence if you read this in context we know that this statement was made in the battle field. People usually miss out this and think its ok to go Kill people. Infact in the battle the Qur'an Commands that a person who seeks asylum should be escorted to a place of security.

"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 9, Verse 6

The Qur'an explicitly forbids killing

"
Whosoever kills a human being for other than Murder or Creating Mischief in the Land, it is as if he had killed the whole of Human Kind and whoso saved the life of one as if he has saved the life of all Mankind The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 5, Verse 12

Islam is a religion that promotes Pease and always will. If it didnt i dont think it would be spread through out the world.

Another thing the word Jihad. In the west it is being mistranslated as "holy war" this phrase was used first in the Crusades. And it is still being used in the Western Media and it means to strive and endeavour allahs cause. Jihad can be expressed in a purely PEACEFUL way. Mohammad (PBUH) said that " the best jihad is by one who strives against (the evil of) his own self for allah, the mighty and majestic".

Also in the Quran it says

"so obey not the disbelievers, but make a great jihad against them by preaching with this Quran". Chapter 25, verse 52.

Sometimes it becomes necessary to PHYSICALLY fight evil, the so-called "jihad of the sword". The Prophet and his followers like many Israelite Prophets, and Jesus fought wars in Self defence and in order to abolish idolatry, tyranny and oppersion. and in the Quran it says that you should fight when oppressed.

" And what is wrong with you that you do not fight in the cause of Allah and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women and children whose only cry is: ‘Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors and raise for us from You one who will protect and raise for us from You who will help! (The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 4, Verse 75)

Scott Islam’s non-Muslim enemies likewise selectively quote or misquote the Revelation to suggest that Islam encourages the wanton persecution and slaughter of infidels. However, an honest, holistic study of Qur’an and Sunna reveals that those passages dealing with warfare are explicit calling for equity and justice; always taking the side of the oppressed – believer or disbeliever- against the oppressor, advising leniency and halting of war in favour of peace.

Scot Islam means peace. Do you see any of us riding a horse with swords in one hand and in the other hand the Quran?

I have made a clear distinction by showing you the meaning of fundamentalism. I believe in EVERY word of the Quran so does that mean i am a fundamentalism a terroist?? It is a shame that the Quran is misquoted and that is why the Muslims are suffering world wide.

Scott do you know that it says in the Book of Numbers (Bible) that whoever worships other than God should be killed yet the Western Media doesnt use such militant verses??

Scott do you know that it says in the Book of Numbers (Bible) that whoever worships other than God should be killed yet the Western Media doesnt use such militant verses??

The Old Testament is not a valid source for commands or precedents for Christians. That is expressly stated in the New Testament (Hebrews 8 for starters). To try and use the Old Testament to prove that Christians are violent only makes one look foolish and proves one's lack of understanding of the basic structure of the religion.

and Jesus fought wars in Self defence

Jesus never made war on anyone. Christ explicitly states that ALL violence is forbidden, even in self defense.

Jesus never made war on anyone. Christ explicitly states that ALL violence is forbidden, even in self defense.

So why is the US fighting in iraq and afghanistan ?

Frederick wrote:

Scott do you know that it says in the Book of Numbers (Bible) that whoever worships other than God should be killed yet the Western Media doesnt use such militant verses??

The Old Testament is not a valid source for commands or precedents for Christians. That is expressly stated in the New Testament (Hebrews 8 for starters). To try and use the Old Testament to prove that Christians are violent only makes one look foolish and proves one's lack of understanding of the basic structure of the religion.

and Jesus fought wars in Self defence

Jesus never made war on anyone. Christ explicitly states that ALL violence is forbidden, even in self defense.

Ok fine my mistake for saying that the Book of numbers says that. But do you deny that the Book of numbers says that? What about David and Golith? Fine fine christianity doesnt say you should kill anyone EVEN in self defence.

You want to show me where it says in the Quraan that you should kill a non-muslim? No I dont want you to tell me that oh my muslim friends friend told me. I want to see it in the Quran where it says its ok for a muslim to kill a non-muslim. Please show it to me.

debian wrote:

Jesus never made war on anyone. Christ explicitly states that ALL violence is forbidden, even in self defense.

So why is the US fighting in iraq and afghanistan ?

There is no RELIGION in the world that says you should go out fighting no religion whats so ever. NOT EVEN ISLAM.

Just like there are bad apples in Islam there are bad apples in the US Government. But are those bad apples in Islam terroists or Freedom fighters fighting against the occupation of their country by the same bad, rotten US apples? Look at the history. Would you say Gandhi was a terroist or a freedom fighter? Ask the british then they will say he was a bloody terroist. ask the INdians and they will tell you he was a great leader, a founder of India. What about George Washington? He was British native yet he fought against the british forces killing so many ppl in bomb blasts and murders. Yet he wasnt seen as a terroist but as a freedom fighter and then later on became to the FIRST leader of USA. lol y didnt the media then call him a terroist? was it because he wasnt a muslim? he didnt have a beard?

But what is shameful is that Islam is misinterrupted as group of fundamentalist riding camels or horses across the desert, in one hand theres a sword and in the other hand there is the quraan. The terroists are called Islamic Fundamentalist. But what is wrong with being a fundamentalist? an islamic fundamentalist is someone who adhers to the teaching of islam. Same way as a doctor or a arcitecture or engineer. to be a good doctor you should adher to the teachings of becoming a GOOD doctor one day. Same for the architecture. to be a good architecture you will go to a uni and study for 3 to 4 years doing your bachelors degree or maybe a masters degree after that. Once you get the degree you are qualified as a architecture. In the same way to be a good muslim you should follow the teachings of Islam and then only you are known as a Islamic Fundamentalist. So does that mean all muslims are Islamic Fundamentalist??????

rudeboy wrote:But what is shameful is that Islam is misinterrupted as group of fundamentalist riding camels or horses across the desert, in one hand theres a sword and in the other hand there is the quraan.

To be honest, if that was the picture we had of Islamic Fundamentalists I wouldn't be worried. It's more the picture of suicide bombers on underground trains and pilots blinded by religious dogma that the West fears.

The whole freedom fighter argument has nothing to do with this. The fact is there are increasing numbers of Muslims openly spouting trash about death to "infadels" and the like - these are who we view as fundamentalists whether that's a misnomer or not. Christianity and other religions are not as divisive, the war on Iraq was not waged on religious grounds. Money and power, but not religion. The UK where I come from is a largely tolerant society, we have people of all colours and religions and they all have a chance to succeed in life. That our society uses religion as a basic framework rather than a way of life I think has a lot to do with this.

scot1870 wrote:

rudeboy wrote:But what is shameful is that Islam is misinterrupted as group of fundamentalist riding camels or horses across the desert, in one hand theres a sword and in the other hand there is the quraan.

To be honest, if that was the picture we had of Islamic Fundamentalists I wouldn't be worried. It's more the picture of suicide bombers on underground trains and pilots blinded by religious dogma that the West fears.

The whole freedom fighter argument has nothing to do with this. The fact is there are increasing numbers of Muslims openly spouting trash about death to "infadels" and the like - these are who we view as fundamentalists whether that's a misnomer or not. Christianity and other religions are not as divisive, the war on Iraq was not waged on religious grounds. Money and power, but not religion. The UK where I come from is a largely tolerant society, we have people of all colours and religions and they all have a chance to succeed in life. That our society uses religion as a basic framework rather than a way of life I think has a lot to do with this.

Fine I wont argue with you about the word Terroists and a Freedom fighter.

Are you telling me that Islam is full a hatred towards "infidels". So much hatred that ppl from USA are going to Afghanistan when taliban were in power to find out more about this ISLAM?

Are you telling me that Islam says that you should kill a non muslim at point blank range. if that is the case y are some american soilders returning from Afghanistan and Iraq and converting to Islam?

Scott I come from England too. But I am a british muslim. Yes England is a tolerant society where I could pray and all. Although there were a few rotten apples who would be abit "scared" of us. Are you saying living in Dubai you have noticed that muslims are not tolerant? Are you not able to follow your religion here? The hindus have their own temple here. THe christians have their own church near Maktoom bridge. So are you saying that muslims are not Tolerant?

Scott show me the verse where it says in the Quraan that its ok to kill an "infidel". Please show it to me.

Yes more and more muslims are shouthing death to "infidels" because they are supressed and when it comes to the muslims there are double standards because of the wests foregin policy. If you want me to give you a WHOLE list of wests foregin policy where the muslims were robbed or have suffered the most I will be more then happy to do so.

Scott if you see muslims as bunch of ppl who want to see "infidels" killed then you want to explain y is that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations. If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire and THEY STILLL DO. Go to parts of Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and even Palestine. You will get Arab Christians. You want to explain this to me????


Scott show it to me in the Quraan where it says its ok for a musi to kill a non-musi. Please can you do that?

STOP GIBBERING MAN!

It's not ME saying Muslims should kill others, the answer may be closer to home.

I have no beef with 99% of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion, but the 1% give you a bad name. More than a bad name, they believe they can attack people anywhere in the world with religion as their cause and that is clearly wrong. What's worrying is that the 1% is growing. I also have a lot of disdain for the Christian faith, George Bush's warblings aside it's a peaceful religion too. I've stated many times on here I'm an aetheist, anyone who uses religion to harm or oppress is wrong in my book, whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu or whatever.

You make it sound like hordes of American soldiers are converting to Islam, er, it's not that many and those that do seem to be doing so to excuse them from going back to Iraq and Afghanistan. I thought you didn't believe propoganda...?

In the next verse The Meccans are given four months time to set things right otherwise a declaration of War and coming to verse [9:5], the complete verse is

Chronologically the 9th is the penultimate sura. Due to its content, it must have been written after 630 AD.

If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire

Forced conversions in Islamic history are not exceptional they have been the norm, across three continents Asia, Africa, and Europe for over 13 centuries. Orders for conversion were decreed under all the early Islamic dynasties: Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimids, and Mamluks. Additional extensive examples of forced conversion were recorded under both Seljuk and Ottoman Turkish rule (the latter until its collapse in the 20th century), the Shiite Safavid and Qajar dynasties of Persia/Iran, and during the jihad ravages on the Indian subcontinent, beginning with the early 11th century campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazni, and recurring under the Delhi Sultanate, and Moghul dynasty until the collapse of Muslim suzerainty in the 18th century following the British conquest of India.

scot1870 wrote:STOP GIBBERING MAN!

It's not ME saying Muslims should kill others, the answer may be closer to home.

I have no beef with 99% of Muslims, it's a peaceful religion, but the 1% give you a bad name. More than a bad name, they believe they can attack people anywhere in the world with religion as their cause and that is clearly wrong. What's worrying is that the 1% is growing. I also have a lot of disdain for the Christian faith, George Bush's warblings aside it's a peaceful religion too. I've stated many times on here I'm an aetheist, anyone who uses religion to harm or oppress is wrong in my book, whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu or whatever.

You make it sound like hordes of American soldiers are converting to Islam, er, it's not that many and those that do seem to be doing so to excuse them from going back to Iraq and Afghanistan. I thought you didn't believe propoganda...?

Scot I have no beef with christians or hindus or all the other religions in the world. I have friends from various religions. That 1% is only growing because there is so much injustice shown towards the muslim ppl. Injustice from Africa to Palestine to Afghanistan to Kashmir.

And I can say the same about the Western Government. Arent they the 1% that have killed so many ppl worldwide? Not only their own soilders but other races? If you ask them their excuse is "oh its a war. In a war you usually do have deaths and casualties".

Hehehe as for the soilders yeh you could be right they just converting to Islam to get a ride home free. You could be right or maybe I could be right. But I do know for a fact that more and more ppl are converting. Not because someone is holding a bomb or holding them at gun point and telling them to convert. Even in UAE you will find westerns who have converted to Islam. You will see them in a mosque.

Frederick wrote:

In the next verse The Meccans are given four months time to set things right otherwise a declaration of War and coming to verse [9:5], the complete verse is

Chronologically the 9th is the penultimate sura. Due to its content, it must have been written after 630 AD.

If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire

Forced conversions in Islamic history are not exceptional they have been the norm, across three continents Asia, Africa, and Europe for over 13 centuries. Orders for conversion were decreed under all the early Islamic dynasties: Umayyads, Abbasids, Fatimids, and Mamluks. Additional extensive examples of forced conversion were recorded under both Seljuk and Ottoman Turkish rule (the latter until its collapse in the 20th century), the Shiite Safavid and Qajar dynasties of Persia/Iran, and during the jihad ravages on the Indian subcontinent, beginning with the early 11th century campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazni, and recurring under the Delhi Sultanate, and Moghul dynasty until the collapse of Muslim suzerainty in the 18th century following the British conquest of India.

Frederick you could be right or you could be wrong.
But did Muslims really force others to convert to Islam? Is there any evidence for consistent forcible conversion throughout the Islamic history? As a matter of fact, there is no such evidence anywhere in the history of Islam. Many distinguised Western historians have attested this fact-- foremost among whom is Sir Thomas W. Arnold in his book, "The Preaching of Islam". Also there is Marshall G. Hodgson in his book, "The Venture of Islam", Albert Hourani in his book, "A History of the Arab People", Ira Lapidus in his book, "History of Islamic Societies", L.S. Starorianos in his book, "A Global Hisotry, the Human Heritage" and many others.

The question that remains to be answered is why then so many people have chosen Islam throughout the more than 1400 years of its history. Islam has penetrated the Middle East, North Africa, Spain, West Africa, East Africa, Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Afghanistan, India, Western China, and the Malay archipelago. Islam in all these regions replaced so many other well-established religions: Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Paganism and animism. Did they really convert because they were FORCED? I dont know no one knows. There is no proof of this. And this happened 1500 years ago. Maybe it did maybe it didnt.

But if you look at the modern History you will see that muslims werent converting because someone was forcing them to. Even so in Palestine you have Christians and Jews. Y havent they converted? In Iraq you will have Christian Arabs y didnt they convert? In Iran you have Christian Iranis who havent converted? In Pakistan you have Christians. Even in UAE where you live has anyone forced You or nyone else to CONVERT?
Even in USA UK CANADA Germany and other countries ppl are converting? Y? Is someone holding them at gun point and telling them to convert? NOOOOO. In the middle east and various other muslim countrys you will have Christians, Jews and Hindus. Who hve been living there for centuries and they still are following their religions even with a muslim majority around them. Y havent they STILL changed their religions?
Lebanon you still have christians there with muslims around them. Whats happening there?

Ppl are only converting to Islam because it is simple and it answers some questions which Christianity or other relgions cant answer.

By the way you could be right about all those dynastys you mentioned. But do remember that when Muhammad (PBUH) died He didnt say who will rule. And after his deaths there was a split in Islam which you see today. Shiasm and Sunni. And as years went by and the Ottomon empire came into power the Sufism rised. So it could have happened. But there is no evidence of it. Yes authors will say it happened but then other authors in their book will say no it didnt happen.

Its like me saying that the Crusaders went on a Crusade to make everyone covert to Christianity by FORCE. Who knows I might be right I might be wrong BUT there is no PROOOF whats so ever. Is there any proof of this??

Dont get me wrong I am not telling you to convert or anything. I am just giving you the information and the knowledge.

But remember this something is right about Islam and thats why it has attracted so many ppl throught its 1400 years of History and ppl from different forms of religion still live in a majority muslim country without being proscuted or not having the rights to follow their own religion or being forced to convert to Islam.

That includes UAE the exact place where you live and work with Muslims around you. .

rudeboy wrote: Even in UAE you will find westerns who have converted to Islam. You will see them in a mosque.

You'll see 1000 times more Arabs in bars at the weekend though...

scot1870 wrote:

rudeboy wrote: Even in UAE you will find westerns who have converted to Islam. You will see them in a mosque.

You'll see 1000 times more Arabs in bars at the weekend though...

lol scot u r right. I am not going to deny the fact that you will see muslims not only from the Arab world but from Pakistan, India and other various islamic countries in clubs and bars and other places too.

But i thought this thread was about Islamic fundamentalist and how every muslim was a Islamic Fundamentalist???

rudeboy wrote:But i thought this thread was about Islamic fundamentalist and how every muslim was a Islamic Fundamentalist???

They're not. Never said they were.

scot1870 wrote:

rudeboy wrote:But i thought this thread was about Islamic fundamentalist and how every muslim was a Islamic Fundamentalist???

They're not. Never said they were.

heheh i m not saying that U said that. I m just saying how the west and western media sees us.